Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2016

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Last time I checked the Hondas were very much slowest in the speedtrap but Alonso is still in work again. Looks like 10th is his new 5th. That McLaren could definitely touch the front runners once the Honda engine is competitive.

It looks like they have a very competent chassis. Will be interesting to see how they'll get on once Honda brings a more power oriented update.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It looks like they have a very competent chassis.

McLaren have always been confident in their chassis. Mexico City was a difficult circuit for them last year, because the high altitude meant that the Honda engine was really hurting. But even then, they were only three tenths of a second slower than Hamilton through the middle sector, the one with all the corners.

 

[dopedog]

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

As a Lewis fan, I'd say and have said that he does deserve the respect, I think he's a much better driver than his WDC father and I think what gets him flak is the excuses he makes or has made in the past when he screws up. Or some of the corporate look that he has in a midst of a sport where people rather see less of it. Like when they win in Malaysia and he talks about being proud of Petronas, an oil company that couldn't care less for him or his team mate if they weren't winning.

But on pure driving talent, he to me is a great or potential when he gets his act together and doesn't let outside forces get the better of him. Lewis I'd say 7 times out of 10 has just that bit more that makes him the champion and Nico second best. As for the paid less...he's not paid all that badly, and Lewis gets a ton of money in bonuses as well due to all the sponsors and deals.

And really it's not cool to hate on any driver, because unless they do something absolutely mental then I see no reason.

 

[dopedog]

Yes but you sound like a normal person....sadly there's a lot of nutters. Clearly if Lewis is the fastest driver out there and some say he's the fastest ever...then Nico must be awesome! Yet I was on an F1 forum today where they did a poll with Nico not even in the top 7 fastest drivers currently!! OK its a small snap shot but i see this every where!
He runs Lewis so close and beats him at times.
The pay factor is important as Merc pay Lewis A LOT more than Nico, regardless of how much it is anyway they rate on pay Lewis as Number 1...yet he gets ran very close.

 

[Nessy]

Clearly if Lewis is the fastest driver out there and some say he's the fastest ever...then Nico must be awesome! Yet I was on an F1 forum today where they did a poll with Nico not even in the top 7 fastest drivers currently!! OK its a small snap shot but i see this every where!

Thing is though, you can't blame Lewis fans for voting their driver number one, in a poll of fastest drivers. Unless of course, the poll allows multiple votes in where they can vote for more than one driver and maybe skew the poll..

The way I see it is, there's probably not as many fans of Nico as there are of Lewis and the other drivers, on the forum you visit. You can hardly blame Lewis fans for that can you?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yes but you sound like a normal person....sadly there's a lot of nutters. Clearly if Lewis is the fastest driver out there and some say he's the fastest ever...then Nico must be awesome! Yet I was on an F1 forum today where they did a poll with Nico not even in the top 7 fastest drivers currently!! OK its a small snap shot but i see this every where!
He runs Lewis so close and beats him at times.
The pay factor is important as Merc pay Lewis A LOT more than Nico, regardless of how much it is anyway they rate on pay Lewis as Number 1...yet he gets ran very close.

That's the majority of f1 fans I face in real life and on the internet. OR fans of any race series that pledge their alliances openly but don't realize how biased they are. The only groups I hardly see the hardcore "this is my team/driver" is NASCAR and Sportscar Racing. Every where else it seems people need to go up and down defending of a driver or team.

Nico is a good driver he's shown it on various occasions before Lewis came around. Even during their feeder series days he gave amazing pace and came up the ranks a year sooner (but McLaren is probably more of the reason to do with this). I mean I don't know how much more I can tell you, other than it's not surprising to me, people will find something unlikable in F1 and as a group tend to blow out of proportion. Just the reality of dealing with other F1 fans from time to time.

Lewis gets paid what he does because of the Marketing he brings and the safety net of being a 3 time WDC winner. That type of backing is what allows him to make more than the 15.5 million Nico gets. I'm sure if Nico won a WDC, Merc and Lewis would have to probably negotiate a new amount. Cause it would show that Nico is every bit as good as him, so why should he get paid that much still? Until that day it's quite obvious why one gets paid more, but it doesn't always equate to that much more talent.

Also since this is about Canada, we probably should get back to Canada's GP.

 

[dopedog]

Thing is though, you can't blame Lewis fans for voting their driver number one, in a poll of fastest drivers. Unless of course, the poll allows multiple votes in where they can vote for more than one driver and maybe skew the poll..

The way I see it is, there's probably not as many fans of Nico as there are of Lewis and the other drivers, on the forum you visit. You can hardly blame Lewis fans for that can you?

Which is my point, its dense to on the one hand say the fastest current driver is Lewis, then put Nico in 8th. Generally its a 1-2 qualy for Merc and Nico is runner up to Lewis's WDC, based on that Nico is 2nd fastest. Problem they have is that they will say Nico is where he is due to the Merc but conveniently forget Lewis is where HE is due to the Merc...
Its not cool to like Nico but i think he does very well for a 2nd fiddle number 2 driver and not forgetting he was developing that Merc when it was mid grid, Lewis stepped in when it was the best car on the grid.
I understand that a middle class British guy but who dresses and talks like he's a US rapper is good for Merc's image though hence he gets paid a lot more.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

What it make Nico is the driver who has failed to win the World Championship for the last two years despite having the best car on the grid.... Being almost as good is not good enough.

 

[Nessy]

Which is my point, its dense to on the one hand say the fastest current driver is Lewis, then put Nico in 8th.

What is your point?

You appear to be blaming Hamilton fans for Rosberg coming 7th in a poll of fastest drivers. I'm sorry but it's not making much sense to me.

 

[Famine]

Why on Earth is there even a Rosberg vs Hamilton conversation going on? I don't even see anything about the two drivers (or their fans) prior to this:

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

 

[Nessy]

Sorry everyone.

(more on topic)

I hope Alonso and Button does well today. I really want to see McLaren and Honda have more success. Great to see Alonso make it through to quali 3.

 

[Famine]

I hope Alonso and Button does well today. I really want to see McLaren and Honda have more success. Great to see Alonso make it through to quali 3.

Qualifying 10th and 12th on a power track when they're known to be amongst the - if not THE - weakest power unit on the grid is good going, it has to be said.

 

[Formula1269]

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

Seems like a nice enough fella and a bit more mature than Hamilton. Hamilton is a better race car driver than Rosberg though.

 

[Famine]

According to German magazine Auto Motor und Sport, the FIA is keeping a close eye on Ferrari this weekend, as the car seems to have a flexing rear wing:

 

[mustafur]

I thought flexing was a Wing plate thing, that is the entire Rear wing lol.

 

[Dotini]

I thought flexing was a Wing plate thing, that is the entire Rear wing lol.

The monkey seat, too!

 

[Nessy]

Am I right in thinking it's flexing on the straight, then returning to normal once cornering? Hard to tell from that gif.

(edit)

If so, that would be kind of close to having the DRS open wouldn't it?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Am I right in thinking it's flexing on the straight, then returning to normal once cornering? Hard to tell from that gif.

(edit)

If so, that would be kind of close to having the DRS open wouldn't it?

Indeed. It's not the cornering that specifically stops the flexing, it's the decreasing speed. At high speed one would imagine the wings flexes the most under the greatest downforce. It has, presumably, passed scrutineering's flex checks.

 

[Nessy]

Indeed. It's not the cornering that specifically stops the flexing, it's the decreasing speed. At high speed one would imagine the wings flexes the most under the greatest downforce. It has, presumably, passed scrutineering's flex checks.

Okay. Thanks. 👍

I wonder how the scrutineers simulate the forces when doing the flex tests? If they add weights to the wing, surely they'd have to be pulling on the wing in the same direction to where the downforce would be directed.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If they add weights to the wing, surely they'd have to be pulling on the wing in the same direction to where the downforce would be directed.

Pretty much. The knack to producing a flexing wing that passes scrutineering is to create one that passes the strictly prescribed load tests. See the Red Bull of a few years ago for further details

 

[JvM]

The gif seems to be under hard braking only, so I'm not surprised it flexes there a bit. Don't know about the rules of that kind of flex myself though.

 

[dopedog]

Qualifying 10th and 12th on a power track when they're known to be amongst the - if not THE - weakest power unit on the grid is good going, it has to be said.

Lewis would of had that Honda on pole.

 

[PsuPepperoni]

So who got fired from RB?

 

[Famine]

Oh, ok its OK to talk about Button and Alonso, but not Lewis and Nico..got it..

Literally no idea why you quoted me or what you're talking about.

Perhaps you're referring to me wondering why you suddenly brought up Rosberg vs Hamilton and Hamilton's fans in the thread without any obvious reason? What does that have to do with talking about the actual events of the Canadian Grand Prix in this Canadian Grand Prix thread?

 

[ukfan758]

I wonder if NBC will host another race since Canada is now on nbcsn.

 

[dopedog]

Literally no idea why you quoted me or what you're talking about.

Perhaps you're referring to me wondering why you suddenly brought up Rosberg vs Hamilton and Hamilton's fans in the thread without any obvious reason? What does that have to do with talking about the actual events of the Canadian Grand Prix in this Canadian Grand Prix thread?

Because in case you didn't notice Nico and Lewis were crazy close in final qually times... They are both on the front of the grid and I'd imagine play a major part in the race.........

 

[Famine]

Because in case you didn't notice Nico and Lewis were crazy close in final qually times... They are both on the front of the grid and I'd imagine play a major part in the race.........

I did notice that, but I wasn't quite sure why you made this post:

I do think Nico deserves much more respect than he gets from the Lewis fans the world over. Here's a guy who gets paid much less than Lewis yet can pretty much match him, Lewis gets fawned over as one of the greatest....well what does that make Nico then?
It's cool to hate on Nico but I like the guy.

... when no-one had said anything about Nico (save for a comment that he was wearing a different make of helmet at the moment) or Lewis (except for a post noting he crashed in 2011 in the same place that Magnussen did), much less any poor or disrespectful comments towards Nico from Lewis fans anywhere in this thread.

I'm still not sure why, nor why you think it isn't allowed, or why an actual conversation chain about events of the topic of the thread is offensive to you.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Looking grey, windy, and threatening significant moisture. That's the Montreal weather, incidentally.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Looking forward to this, Canada almost always produces a good race.