Formula 1 in GT6

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Would be nice to see a yellow Jordan in the game! But I say we would be getting Senna's McLaren, Williams, Lotus or Toleman with the inclusion of Senna stuff in GT6 :dopey: Maybe we might get Red Bull F1 cars because Kaz has been working with Adrian Newey in developing the X2010/11 and that Vettel was in GT5. Would be extra cool if KERS and DRS was implemented in the game!

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Given that GT has the rights of Senna's life up to 1987, there's a chance we might see some vintage Lotus F1 cars included. Although I recognize that that might require a separate license, Group Lotus has been quite generous with giving out licenses to their cars in the past, so there's a chance it could happen.
Project C.A.R.S. has Lotus vintage cars.
 
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It has never been clear who holds the rights to various F1 cars, there are some discrepancies about who owns what and when with several different parties owning the rights to all kinds of things.
So anyone talking with any authority on this subject is generally talking rubbish, as so proven when GT5 came out with the Ferrari F10 after everyone who talked about this subject at the time was adamant there was no a way current car could be included because of Codemasters license.

Generally speaking I get the impression the cars themselves are the property of the teams or team's owners and so they are able to license the cars directly from them.

But it gets a bit muddy when you're talking about featuring an entire grid of cars from a single season and calling it an "F1 World Championship". The rights to "F1" and "Formula 1" belong to FOM who generally license it out to one developer/publisher such as currently with Codemasters.
But the evidence so far suggests that it isn't exclusive rights to every car from the season, only exclusive rights to a "F1" game. So as long as other games do not feature enough content to be considered an "F1 game", I get the impression that its relatively free choice.
So you end up with content like the Williams in iRacing, the Ferraris in GT5, the McLaren, Lotus and Ferrari in Forza, etc.

But this is of course speculation on my part and as I just said anyone talking with any kind of authority on this subject really isn't any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Not at least until a developer comes out and tells us all what the deal is.

Clearly it isn't as straightforward as saying there is an exclusive F1 license that applies to all of the cars like people have made out previously.

So to answer the question, sure why not, the evidence out there suggests anything is possible bar licensing the entire 2013 grid. And as mentioned, the Ayrton Senna tie up would be a bit flat if they literally have 0 F1 cars that Senna drove. Seeing the lack of an MP4-4 (probably the most famous and obvious car to choose) in both Forza and F1 2013 makes you wonder. (yes I know the Senna license is to 87 but whats to stop them licensing the McLaren seperately?)
 
I would love some 65-66 F1 before downforce was mandatory. I'm watching some Grand Prix legends videos and I would love to have the same races (used to play this sim a few years back) but in gt6 and online.
 
Therefore, does anyone think that these will feature in Gran Turismo 6?
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Does anyone think that the lack of Pirelli signage on the 2013 Lotus could signify that maybe the car was licensed direct from Lotus and not Mr. Ecclestone? (Spelling)

The car in Forza has Pirelli on the nose cone so it must be something to do with F1 licensing not Pirelli.
 
The car in Forza has Pirelli on the nose cone so it must be something to do with F1 licensing not Pirelli.

Apologies, I meant signage on the tyres not the actual car body work as the tyres did not have "Pirelli P-Zero" on the sidewalls?
 
Apologies, I meant signage on the tyres not the actual car body work as the tyres did not have "Pirelli P-Zero" on the sidewalls?

I was agreeing with you, it shows that T10 have no licensing problems with Pirelli they just can't have the tyres branded as Pirelli on the car like the official F1 games can.
 
It has never been clear who holds the rights to various F1 cars, there are some discrepancies about who owns what and when with several different parties owning the rights to all kinds of things.
So anyone talking with any authority on this subject is generally talking rubbish, as so proven when GT5 came out with the Ferrari F10 after everyone who talked about this subject at the time was adamant there was no a way current car could be included because of Codemasters license.

I think Ferrari was used an excuse by PD, now that several games have plenty of F1 cars of other brands.
 
Does anyone think that the lack of Pirelli signage on the 2013 Lotus could signify that maybe the car was licensed direct from Lotus and not Mr. Ecclestone?

The car was licensed from Lotus F1, the FOM don't hold rights to the cars, the lack of "F1" in the game is also another indicator.

Apologies, I meant signage on the tyres not the actual car body work as the tyres did not have "Pirelli P-Zero" on the sidewalls?


Do the other cars have sidewall markings in Forza 5? The previous games in the series didn't have them.


The confirmed F1 cars licensed by Polyphony so far are the Team Lotus cars on the Goodwood sculpture:

Lotus 32B
Lotus 49B
Lotus 72E
Lotus 79
Lotus 99T

The Lotus F1 E20 wasn't present on the GT6 in-game sculpture so Polyphony haven't got the license for it, with Forza having the E21, maybe Turn 10 have got the Lotus F1 cars exclusive to their game outside of the official F1 game?
 
That would be amazing if they did indeed include all of the cars on that Goodwood sculpture. They would make for great "secret" prize cars, like the faux F1s in GT3.
 
The car was licensed from Lotus F1, the FOM don't hold rights to the cars, the lack of "F1" in the game is also another indicator.




Do the other cars have sidewall markings in Forza 5? The previous games in the series didn't have them.


The confirmed F1 cars licensed by Polyphony so far are the Team Lotus cars on the Goodwood sculpture:

Lotus 32B
Lotus 49B
Lotus 72E
Lotus 79
Lotus 99T

The Lotus F1 E20 wasn't present on the GT6 in-game sculpture so Polyphony haven't got the license for it, with Forza having the E21, maybe Turn 10 have got the Lotus F1 cars exclusive to their game outside of the official F1 game?
Just having the model on the sculpture does not mean the car is licensed to be driveable.
 
The only F1 car I saw on PD's car list was the Formula GT (which is a great car but has not been premium. I hope they atleast make the FGT a premium for crying out loud!)

As far as the Senna thing goes, I dont understand how they can have him in the game without atleast 1 of his cars. It would be a massive fail if they had Senna driving the FGT and not a rendition of one of his championship winners. So far though....no other F1 cars apart from the Formula GT.

I agree PD need to create a fictional Formula A, B category car like Project cars has, that would be best.

Vettel got his own car when he was in the game and those cars are still there for GT6.
 
Just having the model on the sculpture does not mean the car is licensed to be driveable.

The IP has been licensed, whether they're drivable or not is down to Polyphony. I would be shocked if all those cars aren't drivable in-game but, if that turns out true, I would drop the GT franchise like a hot potato.
 
At the end of the day you need to have F1 in GT6 even if it means as previously mentioned the Formula GT's get updated to Premium treatment if no actual F1's can be attained. Maybe I am in the minority but its never bothered me before if I am.
 
At the end of the day you need to have F1 in GT6 even if it means as previously mentioned the Formula GT's get updated to Premium treatment if no actual F1's can be attained. Maybe I am in the minority but its never bothered me before if I am.

Yes, the FGT would be fine if it was improved in most departments and had optional liveries .

I'd like multiple eras of fake f1 cars. Something generic from each decade since the 1950's right up to now. Don't care if they're not the real deal (especially if you could design your own livery)
 
It has never been clear who holds the rights to various F1 cars, there are some discrepancies about who owns what and when with several different parties owning the rights to all kinds of things.
So anyone talking with any authority on this subject is generally talking rubbish, as so proven when GT5 came out with the Ferrari F10 after everyone who talked about this subject at the time was adamant there was no a way current car could be included because of Codemasters license.

It's been shown a while back that the right to F1 racing are owned by the FOM, thus simulating it is also owned by the FOM. Individual cars is another matter. Not sure why people wouldn't know or haven't read to see at least some determinate things.

Generally speaking I get the impression the cars themselves are the property of the teams or team's owners and so they are able to license the cars directly from them.

But it gets a bit muddy when you're talking about featuring an entire grid of cars from a single season and calling it an "F1 World Championship". The rights to "F1" and "Formula 1" belong to FOM who generally license it out to one developer/publisher such as currently with Codemasters.

So you do indeed know, just like many f1 fanatics that have researched and read up on it, and I recall seeing an article about it a while back when CM got the exclusive right to do so.

So to answer the question, sure why not, the evidence out there suggests anything is possible bar licensing the entire 2013 grid. And as mentioned, the Ayrton Senna tie up would be a bit flat if they literally have 0 F1 cars that Senna drove. Seeing the lack of an MP4-4 (probably the most famous and obvious car to choose) in both Forza and F1 2013 makes you wonder. (yes I know the Senna license is to 87 but whats to stop them licensing the McLaren seperately?)

I don't see why they couldn't have the Lotus and Toleman, since the team that formed and runs now owns both if I remember correctly. I'm probably wrong on the Toleman part. That would need some researching to see if true, just because a team bought an old team doesn't give them the trademark rights to said old team, so I think I should research that before I jump the gun.

However, that doesn't mean they can't get it since from what PD said, they have the ability up to 1987 after that Senna's image can't be used for some reason. This is where major speculation comes into play. I agree though that if PD do this they need at least a couple of his cars I wouldn't mind one of his Toleman and the Camel Lotus.

The confirmed F1 cars licensed by Polyphony so far are the Team Lotus cars on the Goodwood sculpture:

Lotus 32B
Lotus 49B
Lotus 72E
Lotus 79
Lotus 99T

The Lotus F1 E20 wasn't present on the GT6 in-game sculpture so Polyphony haven't got the license for it, with Forza having the E21, maybe Turn 10 have got the Lotus F1 cars exclusive to their game outside of the official F1 game?

First off do you have anything that proves PD has obtained the license, if so I think we'd all like to see it. It's quite big to have such cars and them not directly tell us, since this is one of the biggest harps. It would also help PD be able to put themselves forth against up coming sim competition to have the 49 and 32 since others already do.

As for FM, they don't have the E21, they have the E20. I doubt they're exclusive as well since Ardius just got done explaining that multiple games have same manufactures at one time. The only exclusive rights I've read and heard about are those the FOM hold over a field of cars being simulated and called "F1" racing.
 
First off do you have anything that proves PD has obtained the license, if so I think we'd all like to see it.

As for FM, they don't have the E21, they have the E20.

Look at the Goodwood screens, Polyphony wouldn't be able to feature those Team Lotus cars if they didn't obtain the license.

And Forza 5 does have the LotusF1 E21, from their car reveal:

2013 Lotus E21 - "The E21 represents one of the most successful chassis designs of 2013 racing at the highest level of motorsport."

The E20 should be on the Goodwood sculpture in GT6 but Polyphony haven't licensed it for some reason.
 
The IP has been licensed, whether they're drivable or not is down to Polyphony. I would be shocked if all those cars aren't drivable in-game but, if that turns out true, I would drop the GT franchise like a hot potato.

Wut?

Group Lotus commissioned Gerry Judah to design the Sculpture for display at a public event on behalf of the rights holder which is Lord March and the Goodwood Estate, the cars belong to Clive Chapman who gives his permission (and the cars) for them to be used by Group Lotus and Gerry Judah the sculpture designer. Polyphony license the event name/location adn appearance from Lord March/Goodwood.

To come to the conclusion that PD have then the rights to use the vehicles featured on the sculpture, as anything other than a sculpture, is a massive leap. What "IP" exactly do you think has been "licensed"? The appearance of the Goodwood estate has, the name of the event has, the sculpture (the rights to which I guess belong to Lotus since they paid Gerry Judah to design it), was possibly included in that, but I doubt Clive Chapman or Group Lotus ever included "Components of the Sculpture to be rendered as working vehicles for use in future videogame titles" in any license or rights agreement.

I'm not saying the cars won't be in the game at some point - but the fact they are on the Goodwood Sculpture is irrelevant to me.

But, you go ahead and drop the GT franchise like a hot potato because you can't drive the scenery.
 
Look at the Goodwood screens, Polyphony wouldn't be able to feature those Team Lotus cars if they didn't obtain the license.

Wrong it is a scuplture as @MatskiMonk has just shown you is facts, not what you sit down and see. The idea that a sculpture in PD represents an obvious notion of certain cars being in the game, that aren't moving or anything else is a joke. It was explained early on in this thread if you go back and read. This notion is just as bad as the one that people ran with when PD were sponsoring the N24 and they'd see a Porsche or some other car not in the game with it and jump to the conclusion that we would soon have them. Unless you have a legitimate source that tells us these cars are in GT please post it and follow the AUP guidelines.

Glad they didn't use last years or 2011 can't remember for sure, since that one has all Porsche. Then this place would really come undone over a massive leap.

And Forza 5 does have the LotusF1 E21, from their car reveal:



The E20 should be on the Goodwood sculpture in GT6 but Polyphony haven't licensed it for some reason.

Found a still shot of it and it is indeed the E21, some places are saying it is an E20 hence the confusion, and the trailer only gives you a glimpse of the full car. Either way the sounds on it aren't very good from what the trailer indicated and those are suppose to be real in game footage so...

Also the sculpture doesn't have an E20, it has a R31 Renault on it.
 
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Haven't read al the posts. But F1 License costs a lot. I'd rather see PD put it in development than in a license for 1 serie.
Better choose a different none-FOCA serie. Like Auto-GP. same (sort off) single seater fun but no big spending for a license.
It's just a waste of budget.

How about the old Honda development car, by the way.... not entered in a F1 Grand Prix.
 
Haven't read al the posts. But F1 License costs a lot. I'd rather see PD put it in development than in a license for 1 serie.
Better choose a different none-FOCA serie. Like Auto-GP. same (sort off) single seater fun but no big spending for a license.
It's just a waste of budget.

How about the old Honda development car, by the way.... not entered in a F1 Grand Prix.

How expensive can the older cars from the 60's be to license when games running on a shoestring relative to PD have included them like PCars? I'd prefer the older cars actually, but at this point, I think most of us would be happy with any F1 tie in of any kind. It's just not a priority for PD.
 
How expensive can the older cars from the 60's be to license when games running on a shoestring relative to PD have included them like PCars? I'd prefer the older cars actually, but at this point, I think most of us would be happy with any F1 tie in of any kind. It's just not a priority for PD.

Depends on manufacturer. E.g. Ferrari has a lot in it own control. 60's is mostly a problem with finding the right copyrights holder. I believe from 70's FOCA is the holder. I could be wrong.
But pre-FOCA is hard to find the right companies. Codemasters had the same problem. And C.A.R.S are struggling to.

but i also hope for 50's 60's f1 cars. Don't get me wrong. PD could inform with Honda about there rights.
 
Depends on manufacturer. E.g. Ferrari has a lot in it own control. 60's is mostly a problem with finding the right copyrights holder. I believe from 70's FOCA is the holder. I could be wrong.
But pre-FOCA is hard to find the right companies. Codemasters had the same problem. And C.A.R.S are struggling to.

but i also hope for 50's 60's f1 cars. Don't get me wrong. PD could inform with Honda about there rights.
They may have had the same problem but obviously they overcame it right?
 
Codemasters has Williams, Ferrari and Renault. But also the expensive F1 License.
The Lotus in CARS is easier, Lotus still excists. Last thing i have read about CARS and 60's cars is that they where busy finding the rightholders. Seems not to be straight forward. Sadly some of the rightholders get money signs in the eye from the attention. :)
 
An f1 car that i think we'll probably see in gt6 is the Lotus 49. I'm wondering why PD hasn't modeled that car yet almost every other racing game have it in they're lignup; iracing, project CARS, race 07, Assetto Corsa...
 
An f1 car that i think we'll probably see in gt6 is the Lotus 49. I'm wondering why PD hasn't modeled that car yet almost every other racing game have it in they're lignup; iracing, project CARS, race 07, Assetto Corsa...
Well now that i think about it, i'm wrong, PD has actually modeled the Lotus 49 and several other awesome claasic F1 cars and are currently displayed in the "car monument" in The goodwood hill climb track in GT6.
Maybe is a hint of whats comming up for GT6 :P Well i Hope so!!


GT6-Goodwood-Course.jpg
 
Found a still shot of it and it is indeed the E21, some places are saying it is an E20 hence the confusion, and the trailer only gives you a glimpse of the full car. Either way the sounds on it aren't very good from what the trailer indicated and those are suppose to be real in game footage so...

Not sure what you're talking about, it sounded quite good to me. For sure much, much better than the F10 and F2007 in GT5.
 
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