Formula 1 Magyar Nagydíj 2016

[twitcher]

It's the formal title of the race.

Formal titles. Ok then, got it. I'll write that down....still trying to figure things out

You do know that "Grand Prix" is French for "Grand Prize", right? And that English is an amalgam of a variety of languages; "window", for instance, is a Danish word.

I did know that Prix is Français for Prize. Growing up in Canada, I had both languages on my cereal boxes

I didn't know that about window though. That's interesting. As soon as I read that, this popped into my head (no disrespect, it just popped in my head and made me laugh)

 

[miata13B]

Formal titles. Ok then, got it. I'll write that down....still trying to figure things out


I did know that Prix is Français for Prize. Growing up in Canada, I had both languages on my cereal boxes

I didn't know that about window though. That's interesting. As soon as I read that, this popped into my head (no disrespect, it just popped in my head and made me laugh)

Just made me think of this...



With that lunacy done, I hope we have a real contest of multiple teams this weekend that are fighting for the win... this year has had its moments, but as much of a fan I am of a certain F1 driver, I'll be rooting for either a Riccardo or Verstappen win this weekend.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I didn't know that about window though. That's interesting.

The English language is a weird concoction of parent languages. It has its origins in Latin - after all, the Roman Empire reached the British Isles; "London" is derived from "Londinium" - but gradually started splicing in loan words from a variety of other languages, usually whoever was occupying the British Isles at the time. There's elements of Germanic languages (English people are referred to as Anglo-Saxon because they're descended from the Angles and the Saxons, two ethnic groups from what is now Germany and the Benelux states), Scandinavian languages (see the aforementioned window example), what would eventually become Gaelic and French; we call the meat of a cow "beef" because it has its origins in "boeuf", which was introduced by the Normans. Because of this, English has some extremely complex and oftentimes contradictory grammatical and syntactical rules.

 

[Roo]

The English language is a weird concoction of parent languages. It has its origins in Latin - after all, the Roman Empire reached the British Isles; "London" is derived from "Londinium" - but gradually started splicing in loan words from a variety of other languages, usually whoever was occupying the British Isles at the time. There's elements of Germanic languages (English people are referred to as Anglo-Saxon because they're descended from the Angles and the Saxons, two ethnic groups from what is now Germany and the Benelux states), Scandinavian languages (see the aforementioned window example), what would eventually become Gaelic and French; we call the meat of a cow "beef" because it has its origins in "boeuf", which was introduced by the Normans. Because of this, English has some extremely complex and oftentimes contradictory grammatical and syntactical rules.

Which we mostly use to complain about foreigners.

On topic: I wonder, barring unusual circumstances, could this be the last chance this year for McLaren to score a top 6?

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

On topic: I wonder, barring unusual circumstances, could this be the last chance this year for McLaren to score a top 6?

I'd say so, Hungary always throws up surprises. They did well last year and overall they're performing better this year wit regular Q2/3 appearances. Unless this year's Singapore race turns into a banger race.

 

[TenEightyOne]

You do know that "Grand Prix" is French for "Grand Prize", right?

And "Grand" is an adopted French word in English... really "Grand Prix" is "Big Prize", if you were to express the "Grand" as we understand it in English then the French would be "Noble Prix" or "Grandiose Prix", except the adjective would be more likely to tail the noun. Pfffft*.

*That was my brain frying.

 

[twitcher]

And "Grand" is an adopted French word in English... really "Grand Prix" is "Big Prize", if you were to express the "Grand" as we understand it in English then the French would be "Noble Prix" or "Grandiose Prix", except the adjective would be more likely to tail the noun. Pfffft*.

*That was my brain frying.

So this weekend is the Hungarian Big Prize

Also, it's weird how in Français the adjective usually follows the noun, "Grand Prix" being a bit of an exception. Pretty sure the French say "Le Grand Prix du France," as opposed to "Le Prix Grand du France".

 

[Jimlaad43]

Lets draw the line on the name of the event and thread here.
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Early weather reports say hot and sunny for all three days. That should mean the tyres will have a hard time, and we may see many stops during the race.
Shame, as the two times it has rained in Hungary, the GP has been an absolute classic that will be talked about for a long time (2006 and 2014).
That said, last year was dry, and we all loved it.

 

[RACECAR]

I've found that Hungary is one of the most consistent for wacky races, right up there with Canada.

Hopefully that continues, would love a Ricciardo win this weekend.

There definitely aren't many races that end with race marshalls doing the safety dance so I concur.

In by wacky you mean that you can give Hamilton a tire shredding Merc and he'll still win. Or have him start from pit lane and still make podium. I'm guessing though that people will want a repeat of last year in regards to the Merc drivers.

Would be funny if it started like last year but unlike it, Hamilton still won.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

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Would be funny if it started like last year but unlike it, Hamilton still won.

Yeah it'd be nice since I now only have one driver to cheer for between racing series the rest of the month, though I wouldn't be sad if DR got his first win. I feel he's deserved it a bit more than the young Max, considering the team seems to perform at peak for him, but DR gets the short end.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Tyre choices BTW

 

[Lizard]

*Sigh*

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...ication-restrictions-at-the-hungarian-gp?2345

 

[Jimlaad43]

Rather than punishing the driver coaching, surely it would have been easier to just not broadcast it...

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

But then people would complain at not being able to hear the team radio and claim that "they don't know what's going on"

 

[Pezzarinho17]

I get the initial reasoning behind the restrictions, but this is just plain daft now. We'll see crashes because of this and I just hope there are no injuries as a result...

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

*Sigh*

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...ication-restrictions-at-the-hungarian-gp?2345

So I guess they werent ready for teams to give instructions even if it was forbidden. They really thought that a 10sec penalty would annoy the team enough to not save a car or a finish ?

It shows again how stupid f1 rules are.

God I want to be back at the time where f1 were actually about going the fastest you can and not about how you can manage a tyre within a set psi range and how well you can manage your fuel consumption. And now you can't fix a car even if you know how to do so. Just stupid.

Does anyone know if the car is in tyre change position in pit, can an engineer come and mess up with the wheel or they have to bring the car in and let it out once it's sorted ?

I get the initial reasoning behind the restrictions, but this is just plain daft now. We'll see crashes because of this and I just hope there are no injuries as a result...

Um how so ? They just have to retire the car. I dont see what could cause crashs. Care to enlighten me ?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

On a certain level, it makes sense. If a failure is imminent, then it stands to reason that the car will need the attention of the team - and not the kind of attention that they can get on track. No doubt it's to stop teams pretending that there is a problem with the car to get around the rules.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

Um how so ? They just have to retire the car. I dont see what could cause crashs. Care to enlighten me ?

The massive area of unreliability that falls between pitting / retiring a car, and those the driver can deal with themselves from the wheel. Force India were already concerned about brake failures in Austria and didn't want to tell drivers about it, leading to Perez's crash. Lucky there was a lot of runoff area though... And that choice was made not knowing the penalty of warning Checo about the brakes. It's clear now that telling him would have definitely been the end of the race.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

The massive area of unreliability that falls between pitting / retiring a car, and those the driver can deal with themselves from the wheel. Force India were already concerned about brake failures in Austria and didn't want to tell drivers about it, leading to Perez's crash. Lucky there was a lot of runoff area though... And that choice was made not knowing the penalty of warning Checo about the brakes. It's clear now that telling him would have definitely been the end of the race.

True didnt thought about stuff like that, then they just have to make better brake. I'm pretty speechless that f1 have car running for 1h30, 2h at max and can't manage to make brake that last that long while LeMans cars are running much longuer at max pace and can run with the same set of brake.

But then again it's the team responsibility to pit a car if they feel it can threaten the driver life.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

*Sigh*

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...ication-restrictions-at-the-hungarian-gp?2345

This is crap, so an issue that can be solved potentially and allow the drivers to race is now made into a damn gimmick, because it will make things even more unpredictable. What's the point of making these highly technical machines if all you plan to do is try to destroy it at every point. You gave fuel restrictions to shake things up, you gave paper tires, then you limited the amount of engines and other components more and more, now it's an even more stupid radio ban to simply retire the car in a potential premature situation. "nah if you have to say that many words just retire it"

You know what I hope, I hope teams tell the FIA to go shove off and just break the rule. Because if all they have to fear is a grid penalty for the next race or a time penalty at the finish and still get vital points, I'd surely take that then just stopping my driver from running a car that he could just be more moderate with the brakes.

 

[Pezzarinho17]

They could make brakes that last longer, but you lose braking performance. You have to design every component specifically for the task at hand, which is to last 2 hours of racing punishment. Any more than that and you are simply wasting time on every corner in lost braking performance. Any less of course and you end up in a wall... It's up to the team to get that limit set just right for the demands of each circuit.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

True didnt thought about stuff like that, then they just have to make better brake. I'm pretty speechless that f1 have car running for 1h30, 2h at max and can't manage to make brake that last that long while LeMans cars are running 24h at max pace and can run with the same set of brake.

But then again it's the team responsibility to pit a car if they feel it can threaten the driver life.

Brake by wire is far more delicate for one, it usually not a brake disc/caliper issue, it's the brake by wire it's self. F1 brakes stand up to a lot of stuff but when it's the actual brake you have to consider why it's under such load. One the car is stopping with greater force than many other racing cars do, you also factor in that driver are modulating the brake between a full ERS system and say half or empty. Then you have the actual hot dirty air from a car you follow that not only destroys tires faster but also make inefficient cooling for brake already being harvested for energy else where on the car. And then there is the brake ducts themselves which are shaped tightly to improve the performance of the car aero wise, or be compromised for slightly better cooling that may not even help in the end. And finally weather play a big factor.

Oh and last, is the issue of brake duct clogging, in the spirit of tires that chunk apart, you run the risk of clogging thus over heating the brakes. That isn't a drivers fault, nor is it their fault when carbon from a turn one incident gets thrown into the ducts. These aren't uncommon events. But when you take all this in...the brakes do quite the job for all the abuse they go through.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

This is crap, so an issue that can be solved potentially and allow the drivers to race is now made into a damn gimmick, because it will make things even more unpredictable. What's the point of making these highly technical machines if all you plan to do is try to destroy it at every point. You gave fuel restrictions to shake things up, you gave paper tires, then you limited the amount of engines and other components more and more, now it's an even more stupid radio ban to simply retire the car in a potential premature situation. "nah if you have to say that many words just retire it"

You know what I hope, I hope teams tell the FIA to go shove off and just break the rule. Because if all they have to fear is a grid penalty for the next race or a time penalty at the finish and still get vital points, I'd surely take that then just stopping my driver from running a car that he could just be more moderate with the brakes.

I think you misunderstood the article or I did, not sure XD But from what I get, now if you have a technical problem you have to pit the car immediately, failing to do so will earn you something, which they dont mention but mention retirement so I'm guessing it's gonna be a disqualification.

 

[Jimlaad43]

SOME GOOD NEWS!
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-to-use-electronic-detection-to-enforce-track-limits-800605/

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

SOME GOOD NEWS!
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-to-use-electronic-detection-to-enforce-track-limits-800605/

Let's hope they use it now for everyone. And not just on some selected corners.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think you misunderstood the article or I did, not sure XD But from what I get, now if you have a technical problem you have to pit the car immediately, failing to do so will earn you something, which they dont mention but mention retirement so I'm guessing it's gonna be a disqualification.

Yeah I got that, not sure what you read in my post that made you think I didn't...

My issue is the fact that not all tech problems are created equal, and thus if the guise is any problem that isn't going to get better without some repair should be a DQ or lengthy pit stop, that is horrible rule making.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

"Force India, for example, did not tell their
drivers about brake failure at the Austrian
GP in fear of breaching the rules."


Wow, this should give the FIA a hint that their rules are rubbish, but instead they're doubling down on it?


I really don't get it, just make everything that's to do with the cars (and drivers) safety an ok, everything else is a no.

They could even specify it: tires, brakes, suspension = safety

engine, transmission, electronics = not safety related


Yeah, that doesn't cover every eventuality 100%, but that'd be still better than this nonsense they have now.


So say nothing, potentially hurt / kill your driver or retire your car at the slightest hint of an issue... umm, they didn't think this through, did they?

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

The above article have been update on the site and now contains more infos. Like pitlane dont have com restriction, instead of inside the box before. So it does make sens, you'll just have to go into the pitlane, receive the info, change it and go back on track. Seems ok to me.

So say nothing, potentially hurt / kill your driver or retire your car at the slightest hint of an issue... umm, they didn't think this through, did they?

I think they did, they just expect team to pit driver now, instead of letting him drive with a dangerous car. Now if anything happen they'll say that the team just had to pit the driver and they could have give him info.I'm surprise they didnt say what a team would risk if they break the rule. There's again no mention of it, unless i missed it.

 

[Samus]

So it does make sens, you'll just have to go into the pitlane, receive the info, change it and go back on track. Seems ok to me.

It makes sense on one hand but on the other hand how is this better for us, the viewer? We're now going to have situations where two drivers are in a battle, or could potentially be, and one the drivers has to serve a self-imposed drive through so he can be told to fix something that he could've been told on the track.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

The above article have been update on the site and now contains more infos. Like pitlane dont have com restriction, instead of inside the box before. So it does make sens, you'll just have to go into the pitlane, receive the info, change it and go back on track. Seems ok to me.

Yeah, that makes it slightly better, it's still a very dumb rule imo and needs serious reworking.

They should be allowed to say everything about the cars condition, they just shouldn't be allowed to drivers "coaching", that was the initial idea behind the rule, wasn't it?

Like, they have all these sensors, but aren't allowed to actually put them to good use.

Pitting when it's not really needed is far from ideal, but like I already said, definitely better than no communication at all...