Forza 4 Announced (read the first post - no GT vs FM comparisons)
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Oh boy...I better save money for a 360.
Honestly, you should really have had one already. I've owned a 360 since the 2005 launch, a Wii since the 2006 launch, and a PS3 since 2008. Any serious gamer has little choice but to own multiple consoles if at all possible. No matter what one console someone owns, it never has every good game available for it.
Do some people just hop online and try to find ways of converting bowel movements into text? Posting a suggestion that FM3 was a complete failure is like posting that The Dark Knight was a terrible film; it just can't be taken seriously and can't really be said with a straight face.
This is a problem. I had a hard time coming across a Microsoft wheel, and to do so I had to procure a used one. It's sad that so few wheels are available for the 360, and it's sad that the best one (at least for under $200) hasn't been in production for a while now and practically doesn't exist. Also, after more recently obtaining a Logitech Driving Force GT, it's also sad that Microsoft's was really the best option since it isn't nearly as good as something like the DFGT, and the DFGT only cost me $130 new.
I'm glad I found me a used Microsoft wheel, as I refuse to use MadCrapz wheels. Had I not found me a wheel, I'd rather use the controller (which is actually what I used for a solid year in FM3 since I only more recently got the Microsoft wheel for F1 2010) than Move.
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I would love to know who keeps holding out supporting logitech wheels over at m$.
Hopefully dynamic wheather makes it in along with g27 support! Lol
Hopefully dynamic wheather makes it in along with g27 support! Lol
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The PS3 and 360 have the same amount of RAM, The 360 has 512MB and the PS3 has 512MB split across system and video. If anything the PS3 is at a dissadvantage yet games tend to look better (when done properly) on that system.
I am telling you the reason in this case is storage, if the 360 had Blu Ray or an equalivalent Forza could have just as realistic graphics. The only way 360 dev's can move forward now is either through brutal optimisation and compression to fit it all on a DVD or have larger installs to the HDD where space is not an issue.
As for the reason why only 512MB was put in was because it was GDDR3 ram which at the time was a new memory fomat and although it was similar to DDR2 it was more expensive to produce. They really should have just stuck standard memory in and had more of it.
I am not off at all, everything I have said is fact. If you have a point then explain these so called major differences in more detail. The 360 and PS3 are the same performance just done with opposing architectures. Everyone knows installing a game to HDD can result in better graphics because you are free from compression.
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Dubai autodrome. It would be nice, but it's not confirmed.
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Based off of your example, NFS Shift looks better on the PlayStation 3, than on the PC because it has a blu-ray disc? That is totally absurd! Games look better due to graphics Processing units, not disc space!
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Actually what you have said is totally absurd because your comparing a PC (which could have any level of graphical and processing capability) to console hardware which is totally different. I am comparing like for like, 360 to PS3 which have their capabilities capped at a similar amount and the only variable is storage. The Blu Ray disk allows more space for better textures, better sound etc so how can you say that doesn't make a difference?!
Oh yeah. I have a PC running 3 GTX570's and I wonder why a game looks better then on a console which has 5 year old architecture.
Also console games do not have the ability to adjust visual settings, it is set at the maximum the console can handle. So I could say why does Shift look terrible on your old PC but better on console!? 
Also PC games nearly always install to HDD, its been the done thing for a decade and the reason why is the game is unzipped to provide the best textures etc. Consoles only now have HDD's so they can benefit from that method of installation which frees them from the constraints of the disk and its something the 360 could take advantage of now that all of them have at least a 4GB HDD.
Its funny how I say one comment about how they could improve Forza with more HDD installs and then suddenly I get all this nonsense about why PC games look better than consoles! They have always looked better because the hardware is better and improves all the time! Apples and Oranges...
I suggest you have a look around the net and read about how the DVD format is limiting developers on the 360 and how this is having a negative impact on expanding the graphical capability of the machine. Its the reason why some first party PS3 games could never run on 360 because they don't have a 50GB disk and a guaranteed HDD at their disposal. Its also why some 3rd party titles look better on PS3.
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Well, the 360 and Logitech wheels use different forms of USB, so I wouldn't count on it.I would love to know who keeps holding out supporting logitech wheels over at m$.
Hopefully dynamic wheather makes it in along with g27 support! Lol
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Well, with the new XBOX 360 out, I'm glad I didn't get one yet. It's easier on my wallet in the long run.
But I'm defenitely getting FM4 now. I love it for it's car selection and customization alone. Pretty sure this one won't disappoint.
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I would like to be able to edit my livery on my PC and incorporate into my vehicle in Forza 4. THAT is what needs to be done.
Kinect is an optional mode, yes. Already confirmed by Turn10.
Well, they put it on two disks the last time, so I suspect it will be on 2 disks for Forza 4 as well.
Never had any steering assist issues, so I hope they retain the steering in Forza 4.
Ok.
Indeed not confirmed, but they went and filmed there for a reason
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Sorry but do you own Forza 3? The Menu models are very detailed and are on the disc. Gameplay graphics is another story.
Forza 3 comes on 2 discs already. There's about 5GB of space left on that 2nd disc. Storage isn't why a tiny amount of PS3 games look better. Its the people behind games who fund it and what they aim for. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and GG. The onus is on them is to make graphically rich games. Not so with Bungie and multiplatform Epic games with their Unreal Engine. There's no big budget 1st party for MS who go for fancy graphics. Have you heard of the ICE team at Naughty Dog. They pretty much work 24-7on R&D trying to best use the PS3.
Only time devs moan about DVD is when they want to make a bigger game than last time, which means more levels/content, cutscenes.
Crysis comes on 1 DVD and unzipped it isn't 20-30GB. Have a search how big the install is. It's like 2005 all over again.
T10 need to heavily modify the engine they've carried over twice as it doesn't show what's capable. I'm sure they're doing that right now.
Sorry but do you own Forza 3? The Menu models are very detailed and are on the disc. Gameplay graphics is another story.
Forza 3 comes on 2 discs already. There's about 5GB of space left on that 2nd disc. Storage isn't why a tiny amount of PS3 games look better. Its the people behind games who fund it and what they aim for. Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and GG. The onus is on them is to make graphically rich games. Not so with Bungie and multiplatform Epic games with their Unreal Engine. There's no big budget 1st party for MS who go for fancy graphics. Have you heard of the ICE team at Naughty Dog. They pretty much work 24-7on R&D trying to best use the PS3.
Only time devs moan about DVD is when they want to make a bigger game than last time, which means more levels/content, cutscenes.
Crysis comes on 1 DVD and unzipped it isn't 20-30GB. Have a search how big the install is. It's like 2005 all over again.
T10 need to heavily modify the engine they've carried over twice as it doesn't show what's capable. I'm sure they're doing that right now.
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The engine for Forza 3 is new, replacing the FM2/FM1 engine.
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I've heard otherwise and that its modified. Also doubt they had the time to start from scratch. By now you could call it new though.
But regardless of that and who Bogie really is. The engine and dev time spent are what's limiting the graphics quality between PS3/360, not a DVD.
Only time they'd reduce texture is when there's so much content, like maybe for Rage and Fallout type game and they cut some corners.
Where are the textures in GT5 I ask?
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You could be correct actually. I think I remembered it wrong:
http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/pitpass1.htm
Not sure I follow.
AFAIK the FM3 engine was based heavily off the FM1/FM2 engine but with an all-new tyre model. There have been rumours for a long time now that FM4 has an all-new engine for physics and graphics. From the Ford GT promo shot (obviously not what in-game will look like), the lighting is much more natural looking than previous games. This is the most important part in making a game look good, not necessarily textures or resolution. In fact, I have a very hard time telling it from real life.
What I hope from FM4: that they have made the engine efficient enough to use the high LOD models (the ones in photomode and the menus) in-game. If they can do that and run 12 cars on track, this game will rock my socks off. But honestly, I wont be too disappointed if they can only improve the lighting as long as they up the car count. 8 is fine on some circuits but on Le Sarthe it's a bit pathetic.
What I hope from FM4: that they have made the engine efficient enough to use the high LOD models (the ones in photomode and the menus) in-game. If they can do that and run 12 cars on track, this game will rock my socks off. But honestly, I wont be too disappointed if they can only improve the lighting as long as they up the car count. 8 is fine on some circuits but on Le Sarthe it's a bit pathetic.
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You can bet that Turn 10 will hit this release window too, before the holiday season starts. Having experienced and sold my PS3 and GT5 to get an Xbox 360 and Forza 3, I cannot wait for this game. Turn 10 know how to make the game fun...PD only know how to make pretty car models that handle well with a wheel.
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I love that also but due to IP issues it probably wouldn't happen.
I am purely talking about in game, I know menu and photomode models are more detailed.
The fact Forza 3 had to go on 2 disks has already proven my point that the 360 storage medium is no longer adequate, especially for first party tittles. Tell me what kind of game Forza 3 would look like if it came on 1 DVD with no install?
I agree to some degree graphics are effected by production budgets but do you really believe MS wont be funding Forza with AAA title money comparable to its rivals? They probably have been chucking as much money at the series as PS3 lead titles so why do the graphics still fall short, because you hit a hardware ceiling where the games cant get any better looking and the only variable left is storage.
Which is what Turn 10 wants now!, to make a bigger game than last time and seeing as everything from a hardware standpoint is set in stone all they have left to play with is storage. Now maybe Turn 10 haven't exhausted 2 DVD's worth of space yet but at some point they will.
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As I said before you cannot compare PC games to console ones because what a PC system does with that 9.6GB of data varies depending on the system. Crysis looks terrible on some computers so I don't see how it has any relevance.
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Haha I got my first ban for correcting someone who was ill-informed. Good job moderators!
Oh and just to stay on topic...whoo go forza!
Oh and just to stay on topic...whoo go forza!
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Good job with that one, have another day off.
Note to all - if you get a temp ban, when you get back don't boast about it in a spam post. All that will do is get you another holiday.
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Actually what you have said is totally absurd because your comparing a PC (which could have any level of graphical and processing capability) to console hardware which is totally different. I am comparing like for like, 360 to PS3 which have their capabilities capped at a similar amount and the only variable is storage. The Blu Ray disk allows more space for better textures, better sound etc so how can you say that doesn't make a difference?!
Oh yeah. I have a PC running 3 GTX570's and I wonder why a game looks better then on a console which has 5 year old architecture.
Also PC games nearly always install to HDD, its been the done thing for a decade and the reason why is the game is unzipped to provide the best textures etc. Consoles only now have HDD's so they can benefit from that method of installation which frees them from the constraints of the disk and its something the 360 could take advantage of now that all of them have at least a 4GB HDD.
Its funny how I say one comment about how they could improve Forza with more HDD installs and then suddenly I get all this nonsense about why PC games look better than consoles! They have always looked better because the hardware is better and improves all the time! Apples and Oranges...
I suggest you have a look around the net and read about how the DVD format is limiting developers on the 360 and how this is having a negative impact on expanding the graphical capability of the machine. Its the reason why some first party PS3 games could never run on 360 because they don't have a 50GB disk and a guaranteed HDD at their disposal. Its also why some 3rd party titles look better on PS3.
Robin.
Well Robin we will agree to disagree, glade you have 3 gtx570s my rigs are very fast not 3 gtx 570's but very close and seeing that I have three running right now I can assure you I am not lacking in that department.
Just because other people on the net have an opinion that some how storage space is limiting graphic ability doesn't make it truth. But I have derailed the thread and will let it go.
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This. There's already backfire, they just need to animate it....
Specifically active aerodynamics though, I'm tired of driving an Enzo (for example's sake) and the car is working off of "invisible" downforce. The values are there already, animate the damn spoiler.
O I know its there...I have a confession and its a sad one. I sit there after doing upgrades to big block muscle cars with my 5.1 cranked and just listen to the revs and forced induction (if added). Go through the entire band slowly to hear the difference and then gun it a few times and get that back fire bursting through there with a slight echo. O GAWD ITS SO GOOD.
Very sorry about the outburst at the end, I just have a place in my heart for American muscle cars with big V8s.
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Pretty sure most of us here have done, or still do just that.
I know I take my C 63 (with it's V8 from the SLR) and just rev it, listening to that distinctive grunt. Then I do a clean lap, cut it, and then watch the replay....just to sit there listening to the engine all bug-eyed and whatnot.
Same goes for my 911 SC with the Carrera V10 (don't ask how I fit it back there, I am a genius mechanic).
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