Forza 4 Announced (read the first post - no GT vs FM comparisons)

[otago]

Other than the loss of pit simulation, Forza 3 pretty much stomps all over the previous Forza's in every area, especially simulation physics and gameplay (most important part of a sim).

Let's make a list.

1. Physics: while higher traction and more pronounced understeer could be justified, auto corrected spins are not. Losing car is mission impossible

Overall because of this new "physics" driving is simply boring, worse than Shift, GT5 and especially Forza 2. Also it makes most of cars drive same, while in Forza 2 you could immediately spot a difference between even very similar cars

2. Features: well, there are no features basically without paying twice.

Without gold account all you can do - play career. That's all. The whole arcade mode with single race and so on is inaccessible to silver users. No photomode.

You can't even hotlapping without your X360 constantly plugged to broadband. The most interesting cars were cut from game to squeeze another 5 cents from users. There is no ZR1 in standard version, no GT-R. 10 most wanted classics are "day one DLC"

Things are so bad, that I wouldn't recommend to buy Forza 3 at all for people without broadband.

3. New tracks: besides a couple of coast tracks and Fujimi Kaido - nothing interesting. I prefer to see old proving grounds tracks instead this new ones

 

[Zlimness]

More of that.

If this is the Forza that (finally) introduces open-wheel vehicles, I will smile from ear to ear like a lunatic. Wonder how they're going implement TG now that they seem to have access to both the US and UK versions of the show....

E3 2011 needs to hurry up!

Even if everything in the trailer doesn't confirm any of the new features on Forza 4, I'm still holding my thumbs for open-wheelers, especially the Ariel Atom. Saw one on the track a few years ago and it's fast as ****. Never seen anything go as fast as that from 0-60.

But they'd know people would dissect every image in this video. There's a strong possibility we'll see much more variety this time.

 

[VXR]

Seven competitive AI who don't fall too far behind would make 8 cars on track good enough.

 

[Terronium-12]

Seven competitive AI who don't fall too far behind would make 8 cars on track good enough.

Not to mention one particular AI personality that makes you want to murder whomever decided to put him in.

 

[Terronium-12]

Not agree. When I bought X360 at launch gold was about online. Then all of a sudden I couldn't download demos anymore. Then I couldn't play singleplayer fully without gold.

So now I plug my X360 to internet once per six month when I have especially buggy game and need a patch. Effectively silver today is exactly same as your console simply banned

Seriously, keep the thread on topic.

 

[Spade13]

That was mostly real life footage and just a few seconds of game footage!

 

[Terronium-12]

That's Dunsfold, therefore it's the UK track.

 

[Scaff]

Look I can quite easily (as you can see) make all this off-topic nonsense disappear, and I can do it in far less time that it take you guys to argue and fight about it.

To be blunt two of you are also very lucky to not be going 'how come I can't post and whats with this message in my in-box?' right now.

If you can't keep it on-topic and you can't keep it civil then don't bother posting. If you still can't help yourselves then do not moan when the inevitable happens.

Seriously guys I am doing all I can to justify keeping this thread open, but your really making it hard work.


Scaff

 

[Terronium-12]

That was mostly real life footage and just a few seconds of game footage!

It was a teaser, foo'.

We most likely won't see real-time gameplay until next June (E3).

 

[LaBounti]

Let's make a list.

Without gold account all you can do - play career. That's all. The whole arcade mode with single race and so on is inaccessible to silver users. No photomode.

Things are so bad, that I wouldn't recommend to buy Forza 3 at all for people without broadband.

This is why It can never be my "only" racer and the very reason I am barely a casual 360 gamer. XBL.....

 

[Terronium-12]

On topic, please...

 

[Robin]

I was thinking, would it be possible for a developer to make a 360 game have a mandatory install now that the new 360's all have hard drives?

Because it seems Turn 10 could get much more out of the game (like more cars on the grid and better visual detail) if it was compressed on the disk then extracted to the HDD. Up until now I think no game was allowed to have a required install because of the arcade fatty's with no HDD.

I could see something like 2 DVD's included and one would could be an install disk with something like 4GB of data. It already seems they have managed to improve the cars detail somewhat (in the teaser) and I wonder where that extra space has come from.

Robin.

 

[X-Power]

I'm looking forward to this, I'm a fan of both GT and Forza. I hope they'll do something fun with the Top Gear licence, include the reasonably priced cars and The Stig. Rally racing will be fun if they can pull it off right and will make the offroad cars from FM3 actually useful. I just hope they don't neglect us offline players. I'm looking forward to late 2011.

 

[FyreandIce]

That's Dunsfold, therefore it's the UK track.

Yea, you can see the second to last corner in one of the shots and the 747 in the back ground of another shot.

Still, until I play the game for myself, these are all bullshot's as far as I'm concerned.

T10 did it with FM1, FM2 and FM3. I refuse to believe their rhetoric this time.

 

[Joey D]

I was thinking, would it be possible for a developer to make a 360 game have a mandatory install now that the new 360's all have hard drives?

Because it seems Turn 10 could get much more out of the game (like more cars on the grid and better visual detail) if it was compressed on the disk then extracted to the HDD. Up until now I think no game was allowed to have a required install because of the arcade fatty's with no HDD.

I could see something like 2 DVD's included and one would could be an install disk with something like 4GB of data. It already seems they have managed to improve the cars detail somewhat (in the teaser) and I wonder where that extra space has come from.

Robin.

That's sort of how FM3 was, you had to install a bunch of stuff from one disc. It would make sense although having an older 360 I don't think my HDD would be able to take it.

Yea, you can see the second to last corner in onf of the shots and the 747 in the back ground of another shot.

Still, until I play the game for myself, these are all bullshot's as fasr as I'm concerned.

T10 did it with FM1, FM2 and FM3. I refuse to believe their rhetoric this time.

It's a teaser trailer, no real "in game" images have even been mentioned.

 

[Robin]

That's sort of how FM3 was, you had to install a bunch of stuff from one disc. It would make sense although having an older 360 I don't think my HDD would be able to take it.

I know what you mean but I think at some point MS is going to have to accept the fact that the only way they can move forward and keep the 360's life fresh and improve games each time is with bigger HDD installs. That or have multiple game disks which is something they want to avoid. I didn't know FM3 had an install, sounds like a good idea and all racing games are starting to do it because of the increasing number of cars.

Also I think I'm right in thinking the new 360 HDD's are standard so you can replace them, that would certainly help. They are still going to have the older style custom HDD's around for sale though.

Robin.

 

[FyreandIce]

I was thinking, would it be possible for a developer to make a 360 game have a mandatory install now that the new 360's all have hard drives?

Because it seems Turn 10 could get much more out of the game (like more cars on the grid and better visual detail) if it was compressed on the disk then extracted to the HDD. Up until now I think no game was allowed to have a required install because of the arcade fatty's with no HDD.

I could see something like 2 DVD's included and one would could be an install disk with something like 4GB of data. It already seems they have managed to improve the cars detail somewhat (in the teaser) and I wonder where that extra space has come from.

Robin.

Sorry but this post makes me believe you have very little knowledge of how games work. Installing onto the HDD will only decrease load times if done correctly. It does not magically free up CPU, GPU and Memory resources.

It's a teaser trailer, no real "in game" images have even been mentioned.

Rest assured, they will claim it's all in game sooner or later.

 

[Robin]

Sorry but this post makes me believe you have very little knowledge of how games work. Installing onto the HDD will only decrease load times if done correctly. It does not magically free up CPU, GPU and Memory resources.

Actually I have a very healthy knowledge of gaming and technology. The Xbox and the PS3 are roughly equal on graphical capability so why doesn't Forza look like its rival... the only difference between the two machines is storage.

By installing to a HDD you can uncompress data which has been stored on the disk. This uncompressed data can contain better textures more information for the console to process. The bottleneck here is not the CPU / GPU, its the DVD medium.

Game installs are not just for decreasing load times as you seem to have been made to believe. Some mandatory installs show no improvement in loading times but are required to run the game at a visual quality higher than the disk based medium can store.

Its the most standard understanding in computing, can you see a zipped image? NO, can you see it unzipped? YES, It the file size bigger unzipped than zipped, YES.... so which is better?

Robin.

 

[MrBlueSky]

It was a teaser, foo'.

We most likely won't see real-time gameplay until next June (E3).

Hopefully we won't have to wait that long.

The MS conference at CES 2011 on January 7th. Since they always devote a section of the keynote to the Xbox platform, I wouldn't doubt the fact that in-game/CGI/whatever footage of Forza 4 might be shown.

Of course, they might just talk about Kinect nonstop like last year. 👎

...but then again, Forza has Kinect functionality so it might be there. 👍

 

[Terronium-12]

Hopefully we won't have to wait that long.

The MS conference at CES 2011 on January 7th. Since they always devote a section of the keynote to the Xbox platform, I wouldn't doubt the fact that in-game/CGI/whatever footage of Forza 4 might be shown.

Of course, they might just talk about Kinect nonstop like last year. 👎

...but then again, Forza has Kinect functionality so it might be there. 👍

Wow. I completely forgot about CES....

 

[EnragedEric13]

I hope we get new info and see what new tracks will be in FM4, and if Night Racing will also be included.

 

[Dan_]

Looks promising, if FM4 includes night racing, Microsoft just won a new customer.

 

[FyreandIce]

Actually I have a very healthy knowledge of gaming and technology. The Xbox and the PS3 are roughly equal on graphical capability so why doesn't Forza look like its rival... the only difference between the two machines is storage.

By installing to a HDD you can uncompress data which has been stored on the disk. This uncompressed data can contain better textures more information for the console to process. The bottleneck here is not the CPU / GPU, its the DVD medium.

Game installs are not just for decreasing load times as you seem to have been made to believe. Some mandatory installs show no improvement in loading times but are required to run the game at a visual quality higher than the disk based medium can store.

Its the most standard understanding in computing, can you see a zipped image? NO, can you see it unzipped? YES, It the file size bigger unzipped than zipped, YES.... so which is better?

Robin.

The bottle neck is the ram actually. All 360 games would look a million times better if the console had 1gb of ram (Honestly don't know why msoft didn't put 1gb of RAM in the console, 512 was a small ammount even in 2004/2005 when the console was originally being produced) And yes, I know the HDD can be used like RAM but it is much slower then proper RAM.

Looks promising, if FM4 includes night racing, Microsoft just won a new customer.

The absolute requirement for me would be system link.

No system link = no FM4 for me.

 

[FyreandIce]

double post, my bad.

 

[avedis]

If they improve the nurburgring & a little bit of the physics... it will be a great game

 

[FyreandIce]

If they improve the nurburgring & a little bit of the physics... it will be a great game

They will probably still use the FM1 Nurburgring with slight changes and ignore the major inaccuracies with it.

As for the physics they will almost definitely get improved. I just hope that stupid steering assist can be turned off this time.

 

[Leemstradamus]

Sorry robin you are off by alot, there are major differences which bottle neck the system.

Back on topic, I have said what I wanted most, and will post it just about evry time I think of it lol. But what would be awesome would be to see it on games for windows live. It would be the first killer app dor the service by far!

 

[avedis]

They will probably still use the FM1 Nurburgring with slight changes and ignore the major inaccuracies with it.

As for the physics they will almost definitely get improved. I just hope that stupid steering assist can be turned off this time.

I just hope they make it bumpier... it was smooth as silk in older games

 

[Chapman2424]

Give us Open wheeled vehicles, weather & night effects, and change it so I can do more than 1 lap of the Ring in Arcade mode - have a lap selector will ya !

Very excited about this news - so much so the wife just rolled her eyes.

Chapman

 

[FyreandIce]

I just hope they make it bumpier... it was smooth as silk in older games

It is quite bumpy in FM3.

I would prefer a more realistic layout as opposed to a bumpier track ex muhle and the carrousel are both VERY wrong and they aren't the only places.