Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

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Apparently what I've said before has fallen on deaf ears with some, so I'll reiterate: this thread is about Forza vs. GT, not Forza vs. GT vs. rFactor vs. iRacing, or whatever the contention might be.

Stay on topic or there won't be a topic.
 
While I appreciate his efforts in setting up a fair comparison, I wonder wat happened at 1:42 in hennnessey's GT5 video? It's like the cockpit momentarily changed into a cardboard cutout for some reason.
 
Dunno, I don't find either rear view to be very immersive, mostly because I can't turn my head 180° and back again in 0.5 seconds ;)
 
Dunno, I don't find either rear view to be very immersive, mostly because I can't turn my head 180° and back again in 0.5 seconds ;)

Sure you can. problem is by the tine your head is on the way back to the starting point you'd probably have already passed out by then.
 
Sure you can. problem is by the tine your head is on the way back to the starting point you'd probably have already passed out by then.
I'd say that my neck would already break by the time I'm significantly passing the 90° mark :lol:

Unless you are...


 
A future rear view patch could involve Move head tracking but it might send those chiropractor bills soaring up.

While we are in the realm of fantasy briefly I wonder if there were some magic optimization patch that made GT5 run at a rock solid sixty frames per second whether it would go a long way towards fixing a lot of what Forza preferrers find off about the whole experience. I guess they'd have to include a whole new audio component also.
 
While I appreciate his efforts in setting up a fair comparison, I wonder wat happened at 1:42 in hennnessey's GT5 video? It's like the cockpit momentarily changed into a cardboard cutout for some reason.

yes sorry I have a habbit of looking behind me lol
 
Just to get away from the sound debate for a second...

Weren't there a few people who were soooo mad at T10 for releasing the FM3 Ultimate Edition?

Well, it looks like GT5 is getting its own "Ultimate Collection".

:lol: Nice try.

Please do not relate or even group GT5 XL with the pathetic and desperate attempt Turn 10 used to get more money.

UC had over 9 months of DLC content which some forza players spent over 100 - 150 $ paying for just to realise that if they had waited a year they could have bought it for more than 100$ less. What was even more infuriating is that the idiots at Turn 10 decided to add exclusive DLC to the collection.:banghead: :yuck: 👎

I have never seen a GOTY edition for a game come with exclusive content relative to this one (not just behind the scenes, videos, or even character skins...like extra missions, maps which are unavailable to download from the store)
Oh and I find it funny how you say a few....:lol:the Forza community despised it greatly in general.

GT5 XL has judging by the release date at max two-three batches of DLC at a lower price so is not nearly as infuriating. Also I am pretty sure Kaz is not stupid enough to include exclusive dlc in it either.
 
Releasing a brand new collectors edition with all the DLC is nothing new. Publishers had been doing this for years before Forza 3 did it. It's a great way to bring in new players a year later and pretty much everyone who wanted that exclusive 10 car pack, but already owned Forza 3, got it. Turn-10 was giving away codes like it was candy.
 
GT5 XL has judging by the release date at max two-three batches of DLC at a lower price so is not nearly as infuriating.
So, what you're saying is, GT5's XL edition is better because it's worse value. Makes perfect sense. Well, not that that kind of logic suprises me, really, but I suppose you do realize just how backwards that is, don't you? With GT5 XL, you get less for your money and you're counting that as a point in favour of GT5.

How am I even supposed to take something lake that seriously?

But, yeah, more than two or three DLC packs won't be included. Otherwise, it would have to be released somewhen in 2013, no?
 
Do we really know for a fact that the DLC is being included? I haven't seen anything confirming that. A new version of the disc really is required though, because there is over 2gb or updates that a new user would need to download.
 
So, what you're saying is, GT5's XL edition is better because it's worse value. Makes perfect sense. Well, not that that kind of logic suprises me, really, but I suppose you do realize just how backwards that is, don't you? With GT5 XL, you get less for your money and you're counting that as a point in favour of GT5.

How am I even supposed to take something lake that seriously?

But, yeah, more than two or three DLC packs won't be included. Otherwise, it would have to be released somewhen in 2013, no?

:lol: I knew you would try to spin it. Why dont you try and read my whole post before attempting to reply to it instead of cherry picking sentences in favour of Forza; but its okay I expected that from you. I wonder who Turn 10 should value more, existing loyal fan base or a few new customers. Only you would be in favour of UC when the majority of Forza fans hated it :rolleyes:

Oh look at that last sentence. Ha......Ha that was so funny /s
What is funny is your lack of knowledge when making such ridiculous jokes because there has already been two DLC packs and third will be out in February/March.

Publishers had been doing this for years before Forza 3 did it. It's a great way to bring in new players a year later and pretty much everyone who wanted that exclusive 10 car pack, but already owned Forza 3, got it. Turn-10 was giving away codes like it was candy.

Again they have been doing GOTY editions. Not something that will include exclusive DLC unattainable elsewhere on the disc. The latter part of your comment just proves how Turn 10 knew the negative fan feedback of this choice and yet I have people here claiming its a positive thing to the fan base. :boggled:
 
So I own both and can give a verdict of my own.
Graphics: Inconclusive, Am running GT5 on an HDTV and FM4 on an old CRT TV. Forza looks good though, even in 480p.
Sound: Forza, no doubt. V10s have the distinctive exhaust note that is not seen in GT. You can hear the howl of a V12 and the high RPM buzz of a rotary. In GT5, the cars sound like blenders (but the transmission and turbos sound better in GT than FM).
Car Selection: Tough decision, GT5 has more cars (although I heard FM4 had 1000 liscensed cars, its more like 500-600) and yes, I know that GT has the Veyron as a (gasp) standard car, and that there are 45 different types of Mazda Miata, but GT has more cars and a better spread. Also, GT is still coming out with new DLC every month (two months?) and new cars coming with each update. GT5 wins this challenge.
Tracks: GT5, more tracks but less layouts. Also has the underwhelming course maker, at least it makes new tracks, even if they are not quite what you wanted.
Driving Dynamics: (settings: all aids off except for ABS) Tie, Forza has better over/understeer on cars, but gets way too slidey when you floor it in any car (didn't think you could get such a big slide in a Nissan Leaf did you?).
Forza has the vibration in the controller, which is good for telling you the wheels are spinning, but some cars just spin the tires endlessly (Maxed out Spark FWD, 568 hp) and race tires do no good in controlling them, and your hand gets numb. ABS is impossible to work with in FM4 and very easy in GT5. GT5 also has over/understeer and spinning tires, but much less, plus, race tires actually give good grip. GT5 has much more realistic smoke from the tires (thick and hard to see through). GT5 is more controllable and much easier when driving at full speed or when drifting (very hard in Forza). However, Forza can be more fun, driving a 1000 hp camaro at 250mph is just more exciting when you know the wheels could slide out from under you at any moment. Forza is exciting (huge slides) , GT5 is rewarding (fast lap times)
Tuning: Forza, GT5 has good tuning but FM4 takes it farther. GT5 does not have things such as drivetrain or engine swaps, there is only 1 type of supercharger and 3 turbos (low, mid, and high RPM).
Ease of Use: On a small TV, GT5 is infinitely better, large buttons and text, matched to menus that use the whole screen are much better than Tiny bars on the side of the screen (usually cut 1/2 off on mine. anyone know how to change the useable screen size?) and miniscule text that is impossible to read.
Overall: GT5, more cars, more tracks, a more rewarding and easier drive, and easier use prevails over good sound, slightly better tuning, and all premium cars.
 
:lol: I knew you would try to spin it. Why dont you try and read my whole post before attempting to reply to it instead of cherry picking sentences in favour of Forza;
Because of mainly two reasons:

  1. I sorta picked that behaviour up when people constantly switch the topic as soon as we get to a point where GT5 is obviously losing out.
  2. I didn't deem it worthwhile to answer to anything else when that bit was enough to dismiss the whole post.

but its okay I expected that from you. I wonder who Turn 10 should value more, existing loyal fan base or a few new customers. Only you would be in favour of UC when the majority of Forza fans hated it :rolleyes:
I'm not in favour of the UC (talk about spinning it, eh?), all I'm saying is is that PD is no better. Granted, the majority of the GT fans will probably love it as they'd never dare to speak up against Kaz and PD, or so it seems.

So, PD offers their own Ultimate Collection (which is all I wrote about it, mind you) and you come in here and proclaimed that it is better than Forza's because there's less DLC in it. Not that it isn't expected, though.
Oh look at that last sentence. Ha......Ha that was so funny /s
What is funny is your lack of knowledge when making such ridiculous jokes because there has already been two DLC packs and third will be out in February/March.
My god, you get seriously PO'd when someone's cracking a jobe about GT, eh? Some folks react that way when someone talks about their mom...

Anyways, I guess it's fairly obvious where that came from. But, well, who cares how long it takes as long as you get a good bunch of GT-Rs, right?

/edit: Missed this.
I have people here claiming its a positive thing to the fan base.
Do me a favour and stick to what I'm posting, not to what you're cunjuncturing up in your head.
 
Because of mainly two reasons:

  1. I sorta picked that behaviour up when people constantly switch the topic as soon as we get to a point where GT5 is obviously losing out.
  2. I didn't deem it worthwhile to answer to anything else when that bit was enough to dismiss the whole post.

That sentence was in context of the paragraph but I can see why you dismissed it because you had no rebuttal in defense of Forza.

I'm not in favour of the UC (talk about spinning it, eh?), all I'm saying is is that PD is no better. Granted, the majority of the GT fans will probably love it as they'd never dare to speak up against Kaz and PD, or so it seems.

So, PD offers their own Ultimate Collection (which is all I wrote about it, mind you) and you come in here and proclaimed that it is better than Forza's because there's less DLC in it. Not that it isn't expected, though.

Why do you think people hated the UC. Its because it had exclusive DLC. Here you are again making up complete lies. No where did it say that the XL will contain exclusive DLC so it is not like the UC at all. Pretty sad you have to actually lie to make your point seem credible.

COLOR=Purple]My god, you get seriously PO'd when someone's cracking a jobe about GT, eh? Some folks react that way when someone talks about their mom...

Almost as PO'd as defensive Forza fans get when you tell them that GT5 is better in your opinion.

Anyways, I guess it's fairly obvious where that came from. But, well, who cares how long it takes as long as you get a good bunch of GT-Rs, right?

Your right 💡...maybe by then it will be 2013 and Forza 5 will come out with 5 new tracks oh but wait due to limitations three tracks had to be taken out and 10 new Autovista cars which will be advertised as gameplay when all your doing is pointing at the screen :lol:.

However Forza fans do not fear new gameplay features include all new Top Gear volleyball, more assists like no button driving (good for learning track layouts ;)) and also they might.... emphasize might include night racing...oh but wait its only available on a few tracks. Actually its not really night its 7pm because we at Turn 10 fear that if it was any later like 7:30pm then the frame rate will drop below 59.9FPS and make the game unplayable. Its also why we did not include weather, dirt, more smoke, more than 12 cars, decent AI and any other notable features :P

Hey dont worry though our day one dlc along with monthly dlc will be availble throughout the year which we could of easily added in the game if we delayed it a year but we thought we would make more money this way ;) Aaaaaaaand to top it all off a UC edition will be released with all DLC and ten new cars all for 100$ less than what you paid.

Gee Thanks Turn 10.

Sigh. See its stupid humour....anyone can do it. :cheers:
 
Your right 💡...maybe by then it will be 2013 and Forza 5 will come out with 5 new tracks oh but wait due to limitations three tracks had to be taken out and 10 new Autovista cars which will be advertised as gameplay when all your doing is pointing at the screen :lol:.

If we're lucky, by 2013, we will get a glorified $40 demo for Gran Turismo 6.
 
Hey dont worry though our day one dlc along with monthly dlc will be availble throughout the year which we could of easily added in the game if we delayed it a year but we thought we would make more money this way ;) Aaaaaaaand to top it all off a UC edition will be released with all DLC and ten new cars all for 100$ less than what you paid.

Gee Thanks Turn 10.

Sigh. See its stupid humour....anyone can do it. :cheers:

Stupid humor or not, the sarcasm here doesn't really play to your advantage considering it's contradictory to the point you're feigning.
 
You sure you want to go with that one?

Why yes, yes I do. I know your going to say GT5 has night and day cycles on selected tracks but Forza is even worse. Forza has different pre-baked times which are too on selected tracks (as far as I know do not know 100%). No dynamic times or shadows on selected tracks. I read somewhere that the Nurburgring has been cloudy in Forza for over 4 years now. The weather aint that dreary over there.
 
Wait, once again, I'm horribly confused: do you have Forza 4?

If you don't, then this entire discussion (especially points on your behalf) is nothing but hearsay; and, no, the Nurburgring hasn't been cloudy for over four years in Forza.
 
I don't care about the day/night cycles or the weather in GT5 because it's useless. It's useless because it causes noticeable performance issues, making the future a moot point. GT5 struggles to run at a smooth 60fps as is, and sometimes slows to a crawl in large races with rain. Plus all of the screen tearing.

Turn-10 was smart to leave out night time racing and weather, they refused to sacrifice quality and I respect them for that. Polyphony's take has been quantity over quality and GT5 has suffered hard for it.

PD and Kaz really do not care about creating the "ultimate driving simulator", they just want to make money and they know the way to do that is to shove as much crap in their games as possible in the hopes that a massive audience that loves racing games, is dumb enough to fall for it.
 
Why yes, yes I do. I know your going to say GT5 has night and day cycles on selected tracks but Forza is even worse. Forza has different pre-baked times which are too on selected tracks (as far as I know do not know 100%). No dynamic times or shadows on selected tracks. I read somewhere that the Nurburgring has been cloudy in Forza for over 4 years now. The weather aint that dreary over there.

So you are faulting Forza 4 because it doesn't do something T10 never claimed was in the game?:confused:

If I really wanted to I could take a whole day just picking things both games could do better, I would rather spend that time having fun playing them though.
 
So you are faulting Forza 4 because it doesn't do something T10 never claimed was in the game?:confused:

Of course we should fault them. They should have did it like PD did. Claim something and then just not have it in the game. Upload Replays anyone? Evidently that's the correct way to do things right, Maxrelaxing?

Or at the very least give us a half-assed tacked on version of it a FULL YEAR later. Black cardboard cutout cockpits anyone.
 
So you are faulting Forza 4 because it doesn't do something T10 never claimed was in the game?:confused:

If I really wanted to I could take a whole day just picking things both games could do better, I would rather spend that time having fun playing them though.

I expected change in time or dusk settings on all tracks in FM4 just how you expected night and day cycles to be in all tracks in GT5. Simple. No need for double standard many of you possess in here.

Or at the very least give us a half-assed tacked on version of it a FULL YEAR later. Black cardboard cutout cockpits anyone.

Im curious would you rather have no cockpit or a blacked out cockpit with mirrors, and general outline because the majority of GT5 fanbase wanted something like this so do PD try and please their fanbase or the people who dont even like the game hmmmm tough question. (/s)
 
I expected change in time or dusk settings on all tracks in FM4 just how you expected night and day cycles to be in all tracks in GT5. Simple. No need for double standard many of you possess in here.

Irony... define it.

Im curious would you rather have no cockpit or a blacked out cockpit with mirrors, and general outline because the majority of GT5 fanbase wanted something like this so do PD try and please their fanbase or the people who dont even like the game hmmmm tough question. (/s)

Personally, I'd want all content in the game to have the same features throughout. This especially includes cars in a car racing game. Cockpits aren't the only issues that we have with standards, which we finally got 11 months after release. Those standards couldn't get wheel swaps until recently, which we got 13 months after release. Those standards are also locked out of photo travel locations and don't have the same splash effects, nor working wipers, for tracks with rain. This is also without mentioning the level of detail difference compared to premiums, or the lack of aero/tuning mods (most only get the 3 generic rear spoilers) or lack of visual effects with crashes. Damage feature specific to certain few areas of the game. Dynamic time shift, on 3 tracks. Rain, on 8 and brings upon some serious performance issues. 19 racemods in 1000+ cars, 11 more released as part of charged car pack DLC. There's more, and this is without mentioning the other issues which has already been mentioned numerous times over numerous threads on various sites.

Consistency, GT5 has none.
And again, still a great game in general but brand loyalists need to call a spade a spade.
 
Im curious would you rather have no cockpit or a blacked out cockpit with mirrors, and general outline because the majority of GT5 fanbase wanted something like this so do PD try and please their fanbase or the people who dont even like the game hmmmm tough question. (/s)

You really think that's a "tough question". hmmmm.... In any case I'd rather they had took the 10 mins before release and put those cardboard cutouts in rather than make us wait A WHOLE YEAR to do something I know they damn well could have done in less than a week.

It would have been fine as a stopgap on release and they fix the cockpits over this time. The last thing I'd be expecting is a waiter to come knocking on my door right now with a pitcher of water and bread talking about "Remember that dinner you came in for late last year. Sorry about the service, here's your bread and water now if you like. Oh and it's not really bread but we're still working on that"
 
I expected change in time or dusk settings on all tracks in FM4 just how you expected night and day cycles to be in all tracks in GT5. Simple. No need for double standard many of you possess in here.

1) DO NOT put words in my mouth. It will only lead to people having even less respect for you.

2) I didn't expect day/night to be on every track, more than 3 seemed a reasonable expectation at the time though(PD's usual silence didn't help either).

3) T10 said from the time they announced it it would only be on a small number of environments.

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