Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

[RedSuinit]

Changing oil is a neat feature, but its implementation could be improved - I shouldn't have to change the oil as soon as I've bought the car just for it to hit its proper power levels. Oil changes and engine rebuilds are interesting, but I will admit I don't miss the constant upkeep when I'm playing FM4 - I know that my car will always be in good condition, and doesn't need oil changed every 150 miles. How's that realistic?

As for online play - strange, the few times I've gone online with FM4 I've witnessed atrocious lag. I played GT5 online almost daily a few months ago and very rarely experienced any, and only had a handful of disconnects. Speaking of online though, I do really enjoy the fact I don't have to have races in GT5 - open track days are fun

The online features as a whole are better on FM4 than GT5, at least IMO. I agree on the lag issue though. It does seem to be worse in Forza than GT.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Oh, agreed, the actual options are superior. I'm just saying, connection-wise, I've had less issues with GT than FM. Maybe it's from my old days of playing PC racing games online almost a decade ago though, but I've always expected some level of issues whenever I'm playing online

 

[Northstar]

The online features as a whole are better on FM4 than GT5, at least IMO. I agree on the lag issue though. It does seem to be worse in Forza than GT.

There is one thing I wish Forza 4 would take from GT5's online, the track day lobby setup, it's a feature I wish more games would use.

 

[RedSuinit]

You know, I've been thinking the same thing, however I couldn't think of how to describe the look exactly. That's the one thing I like about GT5 is the Premiums look more natural, whereas the cars in Forza look like they have about 10 coats of wax that were applied before each race.

You know, after re-reading that quote, it sounds a lot more harsh than I intended. I changed it, I would appreciate it if you would mind changing the quote.

 

[Luminis]

God, really!? You have an issue with GT5's standards!?

And what's that you say? Forza has things right?

Yup.

That's news to us all! It's not like you haven't been trash talking GT5 in this thread for the last month or anything. Seriously, how long will your personal crusade continue?

As long as I please. Or, for as long as people are willing to defend these things.

It's like a broken record. Over and over again..

Nobody's forcing you to listen to that broken record, right?

One play = 3-4 hours of SP and MP and I played it at London MCM expo on the fanatec wheel for a good hour. Why would you expect me to buy a game that I think is inferior to a game I already have.

People over at GTP have been questioning me because I dared to drop GT5 after two and a half months of play, because I didn't get into the depth of it, didn't get to its best parts and so on... Just saying.

Of course, spending time and money on something you don't like is perfectly understandable, in my opinion. I'd actually say that it would be foolish to do otherwise. And, personally, I wouldn't expect someone to try and get into a game for such an extended period of time, but despite that, there are quite a few things that do take some time to explore in Forza. Like the different multiplayer options and the community features.

I could be wrong, but doesn't FM4 have AI in split-screen? I'm positive it does, but it might only be two computer opponents...

Yeah, it's only two AI cars in Split Screen Mode, which kinda sucks. Especially if you've got a friend over and you're just going to have some stupid fun by smashing AI cars in your extensively tuned Hummers

Right now I'm looking at the Alfa Romeo Montreal on a pre-race screen at Mugello, though, and I feel comfortable saying that, modelling-wise, there is very little between T10 and PD. The newest car models from both houses are of incredibly high quality 👍

They definitely are very close, no questions asked. I'll have to check the Montreal myself, though. Because, so far, I'd say that the premium cars in GT5 still get the nod.

I agree Autovista is a total waste. I checked out a few cars and never went back to unlock more. Nothing there does it for me since I have access to the internet. I could not care less for that mode.

Then again, I dont care about photomodes either. I like the part of the game where you actually get to tune, paint, and race. Since those are solid, I am good.

I'm quite the opposite, I think... I love photo modes, so Auto Vista isn't entirely useless to me, as it allows me to get some interior shots of engines and such. However, I agree that Auto Vista itself doesn't add much to the game. The only thing it really added was that it contributed greatly to the improved lightinh engine (if T10's words are to bee believed).

 

[RedSuinit]

Very balanced, RedSuinit 👍

I could be wrong, but doesn't FM4 have AI in split-screen? I'm positive it does, but it might only be two computer opponents...

Noob crack showing here, but how do you turn on the AI for split screen?

 

[Luminis]

Noob crack showing here, but how do you turn on the AI for split screen?

There's a "Race Settings" option. If you scroll down the list of settings, there should be an AI option, which can be set to off, one or two.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I'm quite the opposite, I think... I love photo modes, so Auto Vista isn't entirely useless to me, as it allows me to get some interior shots of engines and such. However, I agree that Auto Vista itself doesn't add much to the game. The only thing it really added was that it contributed greatly to the improved lightinh engine (if T10's words are to bee believed).

I was under the impression Autovista was added to help push Kinect.

Yeah, I know some people love taking pics and looking at cars in Autovista. I am the odd one out in this area.

Let me ask a question though. If you could have FM4 as it is right now, or FM4 w/o Autovista and photomode but with Bathurst, Brands Hatch, Brno, and all 2011 WTCC, and DTM cars, which would you choose?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Including Photomode in that either/or is rather silly - it's unlikely time spent on Photomode, programming, would have cut into the time spent by modellers, er, modelling. Autovista, yeah, the modellers would be busy, Photomode, not so much.

Nevermind the fact that you're making up an arbitrary amount of content that quite possibly couldn't have been included even if AutoVista and Photomode were taken out.

 

[Luminis]

I was under the impression Autovista was added to help push Kinect.

Oh, it was. From what T10 said in various interviews, though, AV helped them with the image based lightning a lot.

Let me ask a question though. If you could have FM4 as it is right now, or FM4 w/o Autovista and photomode but with Bathurst, Brands Hatch, Brno, and all 2011 WTCC, and DTM cars, which would you choose?

Well, duh, I'm a driver, first and foremost. I'd trade Autovista for Bathurst alone. If we could keep the IBL.

 

[RedSuinit]

There's a "Race Settings" option. If you scroll down the list of settings, there should be an AI option, which can be set to off, one or two.

Thanks Luminis.

 

[ImaRobot]

One thing i liked about GT5 was the fact that you can start a room and enter the race track without having to start the race.

Was really convenient, especially because i tend to drift alot when I'm bored.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Including Photomode in that either/or is rather silly - it's unlikely time spent on Photomode, programming, would have cut into the time spent by modellers, er, modelling. Autovista, yeah, the modellers would be busy, Photomode, not so much.

Nevermind the fact that you're making up an arbitrary amount of content that quite possibly couldn't have been included even if AutoVista and Photomode were taken out.

I never said that content could have been done with Autovista taken out. I never even implied that. It was just a question.

I was just wondering how important those modes are to people. IF you could have more Autovista, more photo locations, more realistic photo's etc. etc., vs more race content, what would you choose.

It seems GT spent lots of time with seatbelt stiching, photo locations, museum cards, car histories, and all the other none-race fluff. It seems they suffered from that in the long run.

I dont want to see FM go down that path.

 

[t.o.]

I was under the impression Autovista was added to help push Kinect.

Yeah, I know some people love taking pics and looking at cars in Autovista. I am the odd one out in this area.

Let me ask a question though. If you could have FM4 as it is right now, or FM4 w/o Autovista and photomode but with Bathurst, Brands Hatch, Brno, and all 2011 WTCC, and DTM cars, which would you choose?

Hmmmm. Tough one only because like T10 stated Autovista was the inspiration to the lighting and detail we have now. If you said trading autovista, photomode AND replay features I think you know what I'd say lol

 

[Vaxxtx]

Hmmmm. Tough one only because like T10 stated Autovista was the inspiration to the lighting and detail we have now. If you said trading autovista, photomode AND replay features I think you know what I'd say lol

Replays are important. It also has alot to do with the racing. Watching replays after a race helps you learn, laugh, and groan....usually all in the same race!

 

[t.o.]

Replays are important. It also has alot to do with the racing. Watching replays after a race helps you learn, laugh, and groan....usually all in the same race!

LOL. Yep. Reason I'm SO disappointed with GT5 and not being able to upload replays. Oh well.
I thought myself not a graphics whore but I have to say the IBL really does do FM4 justice. Don't know if I could so readily give that up. I was watching a couple of my old FM3 replay movies and I was just shaking my head as you can see the difference. But I DO want all them goodies you mentioned

 

[ImaRobot]

I was just wondering how important those modes are to people. IF you could have more Autovista, more photo locations, more realistic photo's etc. etc., vs more race content, what would you choose.

Thats a really good/really tough question. I for one love photomode. I use it quite often, and besides who doesnt like showing off . As for autovista i could care less about it really, its a cool feature but seems limited if your going to take pictures and what not. I hate how you cant navigate to well if your directly in the engine bay while trying to take a picture.

Although i would also love all that extra content you posted about. So i would be on the wall with that.

 

[imported_FuzzyFassbender]

Whew. Lots of interesting banter going on here. As someone who has and plays (regularly) both games, I find them to be quite equal in enjoyment.

Forza:
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RedSuinit, do you use a wheel or pad with GT and Forza?

The online features as a whole are better on FM4 than GT5, at least IMO. I agree on the lag issue though. It does seem to be worse in Forza than GT.

I guess everyone's mileage will vary. I have had a much better online experience with Forza... but I don't play online very often.

 

[RedSuinit]

RedSuinit, do you use a wheel or pad with GT and Forza?

Fanatec GT2 with CSP on both.

 

[hennessey86]

I dont think he is just referring to your comments on this site but also on another *cough*gtplanet*cough* site. 💡

But lets forget that people have their preferences its natural.

I am glad PD put standards too....there are so many amazing standard cars, group B rally cars, a ton of lmps, group c cars, GT cars, RUF YELLOWBIRD AND RUF BTR (my favourite cars), old vintage cars and how can we forget normal everyday cars. You have not enjoyed GT to its fullest without trying the standard cars.

Those are some pretty bland textures in the Forza one.



One play = 3-4 hours of SP and MP and I played it at London MCM expo on the fanatec wheel for a good hour. Why would you expect me to buy a game that I think is inferior to a game I already have. I am not going to waste my money for no apparent reason at all. The points in this thread on why Fm4 is better are livery editor, storefront, and GT5 having no consistency.

Oh dear god, why are you even on this site then. If you don't like forza stay on GT planet

 

[PzR Slim]

One play = 3-4 hours of SP and MP and I played it at London MCM expo on the fanatec wheel for a good hour. Why would you expect me to buy a game that I think is inferior to a game I already have.

Had to respond to this point because I think it's at the crux of why most of us have a problem with you. You should buy it for the same reason that most of us have still got GT5 and play it regularly. We are racing game fans. We owe it to ourselves to have the best two games available on consoles. GT5 does things FM4 can't and vice versa, by not owning both you are missing out as a racing game fan. But see here's the kicker. I don't think you are a racing game fan, I think you are a GT game fan. And that is why your opinion means pretty much zero to me.

You have an incredible amount to say about a game you have only played for a handful of hours, you can't possibly have seen what the game can offer. Yet you stand on your soap box slagging it off, a large chunk of what you say is just plain wrong. I don't think it's even entered your head that the vast majority of us are probably bigger GT fans than you. I've got three PS3's, three copies of the game (including a signature edition), so I can play in triple screen, I still race in a weekly GT5 league. I am ideally placed to give my opinion (and it is only an opinion) on which I think is the better game, whereas you really are in no position to make a comparison of the two that holds any kind of weight. We give GT5 a hard time for a very good reason, we play it and it's faults stare us in the face on a weekly basis. You on the other give FM such a hard time for reasons only you know

 

[artboy76]

Had to respond to this point because I think it's at the crux of why most of us have a problem with you. You should buy it for the same reason that most of us have still got GT5 and play it regularly. We are racing game fans. We owe it to ourselves to have the best two games available on consoles. GT5 does things FM4 can't and vice versa, by not owning both you are missing out as a racing game fan. But see here's the kicker. I don't think you are a racing game fan, I think you are a GT game fan. And that is why your opinion means pretty much zero to me.

You have an incredible amount to say about a game you have only played for a handful of hours, you can't possibly have seen what the game can offer. Yet you stand on your soap box slagging it off, a large chunk of what you say is just plain wrong. I don't think it's even entered your head that the vast majority of us are probably bigger GT fans than you. I've got three PS3's, three copies of the game (including a signature edition), so I can play in triple screen, I still race in a weekly GT5 league. I am ideally placed to give my opinion (and it is only an opinion) on which I think is the better game, whereas you really are in no position to make a comparison of the two that holds any kind of weight. We give GT5 a hard time for a very good reason, we play it and it's faults stare us in the face on a weekly basis. You on the other give FM such a hard time for reasons only you know

Quoted for truth, spot on, amen.........

This though is for me the most perfect simple explanation to describe this type of person:

"I don't think you are a racing game fan, I think you are a GT game fan."

I even come across GT fans on codemasters forums and piping up that "F1 2011 isnt as good as GT5"
"DiRT 3 isnt as good as GT5"

Its different kind of racing GAME!!!!!


All they can ever play is GT5 nothing else.......how very sad...

 

[Leicht]

@MaxRelaxing I think for that pictures, it should be compared to pictures taken in Autovista.

 

[rocketcaron]

@MaxRelaxing:

LOL 3-4 hours and ONLY an hour with a wheel? And not even with the latest steering updates? Your opinions are WORTHLESS...

 

[artboy76]

Whats amazing as well is that there's been no 'gang' mentality from us here, over on Offcial PS3 GT forum when i dared to mention my disappointment with the standard cars i was rounded apron as labelled such things as a 'casual gamer obsessed with graphics", a 'noob' and a 'shift fanboi' 'forza fanboi' "you should go play mario kart"

To list but a few........

We have listened to maxrelaxing, we have defended forzas reputation against his mis informed bile.......

we should all be pretty proud of ourselves as it shows that there's a level of maturity and intellect on this site unlike few other forums i can mention.....

maxrelaxing, just be grateful your allowed to vent your spleen for this long against a game you have barely played.........

my tip is go off and enjoy playing GT5. But maybe one day just look beyond that game, and you will see that as good as it is, it needs work and needs the GT5 community to maturely tell Kaz and PD that needs changing to make it a BETTER game.....instead of blindly telling them and everyone its wonderful and standard cars are like a blessing..... just a tip...... Kaz needs to know that a triple aaa title cant have this standard car mess..ever again....

 

[omgitsbees]

Kaz doesn't even defend the standard cars. He admits they look like poop and doesn't meet his own quality standard. It's something that sounds like he won't put into GT6, but who knows, the guy says a lot and then goes and does something completely different.

I really like what PzR Slim said about being a GT5 fan, not a racing sim fan. That makes up the majority of people on GTPlanet.

 

[somebodysb2]

What can I say? Kaz is a visionary, not a project lead.

Think LA Noire and the visionary behind it.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Kaz doesn't even defend the standard cars. He admits they look like poop and doesn't meet his own quality standard. It's something that sounds like he won't put into GT6, but who knows, the guy says a lot and then goes and does something completely different.

I really like what PzR Slim said about being a GT5 fan, not a racing sim fan. That makes up the majority of people on GTPlanet.

Sad thing is, besides the standard cars, sounds, physics difference online/offline, lacks of tuning/upgrades, lack of customization, lack of car variety outside Japan, one of the biggest turn offs of GT5 was the community.

I had a real hard time discussing anything that was a knock against GT5, without getting told to "get out" and that my opinion is wrong. Like too many GT5 fans have blinders. Bringing up any critizism led to a huge argument, and a "defend GT5 to the end" type mentality.

Why is PD so backwards when it comes to things like sounds and standards? Maybe because PD also listens to the fanatical folks saying that is the game is perfect....and actually believe it. Do they know that ignoring or trying to deny problems doesnt help a dev?

 

[Ryan81]

I've been a huge fan of GT since the original was released back in 1998. There is no doubt that the GT franchise has contributed immensely to the racing sim genre and has given many of us months and even years of enjoyment. Saying that, however, I'm not blind to the drawbacks that GT5 has, either.
I also don't understand these fanatics who defend GT on all and sundry.

Certain features need to be improved or else PD will stagnant and will not move forward. The standard/premium split is perhaps the most glaring problem. No other game had such a large discrepancy between graphical consistency.

 

[artboy76]

The other thing regards the "GT fan not a racing game fan" thing, is that i love motorsport, i love cars, i am a total utter petrolhead, for what its worth both my brother race in the UK and so did my Dad back in the day so i have grown up and live with motorsport and cars.....

hence why i own Forza / Shift 2 / F1 2011 / Race Pro / GT5 etc.

What i find is that GT fans in general aren't motoring or motorsport fans, rather they own GT5 cause its like having the latest trainers, or phone....its an accessory this is why they are so preoccupied with it being "the best" driving game.....

just an observation...