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- Goshin2568
Yeah. I tried it for about 15 minutes and then turned all the vibration stuff off because it was so fake.
Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)
- Thread starter hennessey86
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- spagetti69
I couldn't tell you about engine revs in GT on a Fanatec. My response was based on what Fanatec themselves offer.
Actually in Forza. When screaming the engine/redlining, I can get engine rumble to feature with ABS wheel settings on. Effectively, wheel vibration under lock up with engine rumble at top revs. A feature that's not supposed to happen.
Don't know when they changed that but Thomas needs to know what his products do Lol.
Nice bonus.
A little secret.
I've never used a Fanatec on GT, always my G27. Could not be bothered trying to map out buttons and whatnot.
Is the Fanatec better in GT than G27?
Actually in Forza. When screaming the engine/redlining, I can get engine rumble to feature with ABS wheel settings on. Effectively, wheel vibration under lock up with engine rumble at top revs. A feature that's not supposed to happen.
Don't know when they changed that but Thomas needs to know what his products do Lol.
Nice bonus.
A little secret.
I've never used a Fanatec on GT, always my G27. Could not be bothered trying to map out buttons and whatnot.
Is the Fanatec better in GT than G27?
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Lightyears! Well, keep in mind that I do have the clubsport pedals. However even without the clubsport pedals it's still better. IMO belt driven beats gears, well at least in this case. It's just so much smoother and more to what a car feels like. Unfortunately the Fanatec can't do but so much till you have to start point fingers at the source you're feeding it and that's when NO wheel is going to help. Like getting the hottest HDTV on the market and you keep watching 480p material.
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- hennessey861
What made me get a fanatec over the G27 was the horrible knocking noises due to the way the G27 delivers FFB. The GT2 is quiet all of the time
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- spagetti69
I was just curious TBH.
I can't be arsed setting up the GT2 for GT.
Also an update awaits for me to download the minute I fire up GT.
I've got to much to do in Forza.
I love my G27 though. The old reliable fella.
I can't be arsed setting up the GT2 for GT.
Also an update awaits for me to download the minute I fire up GT.
I've got to much to do in Forza.
I love my G27 though. The old reliable fella.
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I preferred the G25 to the GT2 in a lot of ways, yeah GT2 is smoother and quieter but the G25 was faster and could go far lighter when it needed to. GT2's heavy rim may have been the cause of it's issues, it certainly dampened some of the effects.
iirc the CSR does better now with a lighter rim but that has caused complaints regarding quality.
iirc the CSR does better now with a lighter rim but that has caused complaints regarding quality.
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- hennessey_86 and GTP_evox
- hennessey861
You can make the GT2 go really light by setting the drift mode to about 2 or 3
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Yeah I tried drift mode but never got on with it.
I think the new firmware might have made an improvement, I found 742b too light on the CSRE, would have appreciated some of that weight removed from the GT2 at the time.
I think the new firmware might have made an improvement, I found 742b too light on the CSRE, would have appreciated some of that weight removed from the GT2 at the time.
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- Goshin2568
Yeah after owning a G27 and a GT2, I really have no clue what you are talking about. The GT2 gets way lighter way faster. And of course you have to turn drift mode on. That's like not having the headlights on in your car and then complaining that you can't see at night.
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Had the G25 for a year, GT2 for a year and now the Elite for 6 months.
You said it yourself, use Drift mode. If the wheel was fast enough you wouldn't need assistance from the motor to countersteer. A gear drive wheel can drop all resistance and spin quite freely when needed, I guess the tension of the belt in the GT2 means there always a dragging feeling when turning fast.
You said it yourself, use Drift mode. If the wheel was fast enough you wouldn't need assistance from the motor to countersteer. A gear drive wheel can drop all resistance and spin quite freely when needed, I guess the tension of the belt in the GT2 means there always a dragging feeling when turning fast.
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My "problem" is the Fanatec wheel feels exactly how it should feel if you ask me. When in my real life car I can just spin the wheel around like a toy, even with powersteering there's resistance. And, believe it or not, for safety reasons it's probably designed that way on purpose. Could you imagine what kind of accidents on the road there would be if people just spin there wheels with no resistance at all because a cat ran out on the road or something happened in front of them.
There's enough resistance for you to react and get the car where you want it to go and giving you that hundredth of a second for the mind to comprehend what's going on and let you make other corrections.
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Logitecs are toys, Fanatecs are machines
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- shawtyoner
Only thing that annoys me with Fanatec GT2 is the shifter, pretty lousy, could've been a lot better.
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- zr1chris
- zr1chris
That was my first impression also when I got my Turbo S after having used a DFGT for a few months.
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- jdmking13
- Lucid killer 58
Feels great to me, Forza only rumbles when you get to High RPM which is great but leaves so much more to desire It is also very weak and I use 100 SHO. If Forza had at the rumble effect happen sooner through the RPM band I would be extremely happy. What SHO are you using when you play with GT5? I use 60 anything higher than that feels bad IMO. @ Spag How can you not use you Fanatec wheel with GT5? I have G27 also and Fanatec feels WAY better. Remember when you play GT5 you can still use your controller while you use your wheel. You cannot do this on XBOX. I use my Fanatec and my DS3 when I play GT5.
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In real life my steering wheel never rumbles, I drive a civic SI which obviously has Vtec. Still even when I am at High RPM I feel no type of sensation Both games don't feel real if you want to be technical. Still I rather have GT5 motor vibration makes driving on the straight great only with 60 SHO anything higher than that feels like over kill.
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GT5 adds in a lot of vibration and feedback that should not be present in steering.
Engine rumble (at low RPM for low torque cars) and low-speed suspension movements should not be routed via the steering, these are things that we feel through out body. Some titles (and GT is one) route them through the steering, others show them visually (both Forza and Shift do this).
PD do it I think because its 'exciting' and 'feels imersive', however it causes a number of issues, one being that it masks teh limited feedback the tyres are providing and it also (and this relates to low speed suspension) pulls the steering at highspeed which is what causes in part the issues with steering at the end of long straights.
In reality you can feel the engine via the steering on cars with high torque at high levels of load, and yes FM4 overdoes it slightly, but not to the degree and detriment that GT5 does.
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- Goshin2568
Well first of all, it's kind of car dependent. I've driven cars where at really high RPM's the whole car kind of vibrates, including the steering wheel. And also, if it's so unrealistic, why do you have it on at all?
Bottom line is, GT5 does way too much vibration and it feels terrible.
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- KreepaEvoX
Of course it would never rumble in an Si, even with the K20, very flat torque curve and the lack of significant torque...j/k. Also, the small rising vibration up in the high end would be representative of the engine reaching the end of it's power curve, so it can be shifted by feel instead of watching the tach. I've raced my good share of tuned cars to know when to shift by the power sensation instead of taking it all the way to the red or the limiter. That said, I enjoy both approaches very much, but tactile feel, I'd give to FM at least in that respect
Whether the potentiometer- and switch-driven input circuit board you're holding in your hands has a pretty plastic/metal shell that resembles the steering wheel of a car, or a simple ergonomic mold with joysticks and buttons, you're still managing the same stream of input data, which is processed by the same physics engine.
The software is the game. A gaming wheel doesn't compensate for a bad physics engine, and a gamepad doesn't transform a good physics engine into Pole Position.
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- Goshin2568
You are totally missing my point here. I completely agree with the bolded part. The point I am trying to get across is that to me, I don't see the point in a pad user wanting something extremely realistic, when the pad ruins the realism for them. Of course it doesn't change the physics of the game, but it changes the realism of the experience. Playing a realistic sim with a wheel and pedals, while still not super realistic, is 10x more realistic than playing the same sim with a pad. It's just common sense.
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- Goshin2568
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So you want it to be unrealistic?
First, you complain that FM4 has weak rumble...
And then you say that rumbling in the first place is unrealistic.
Dude why are you trying so hard? First of all I said the rumble effect overall was not realistic in both games compared to reality. I just like the effect because it brings the game alive during driving. Second Yes the rumble is weak in FM4. It only comes on at high RPM and you can barely enjoy it, for the fact of as soon as it hits you have to shift. It's not that hard to understand, If the men at T10 can make the effect come in earlier I would be extremely happy. What is your problem?
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- Goshin2568
Haha I have no problem. I'm just confused. I don't understand why you would rag on the rumble effect and then complain that FM4 doesn't do it enough at the same time.
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Follow my post again I didn't come out raggin on anything until you said that's how it is in real life.
Still I didn't rag on either game all I said was it does not mimic the real life sensation. Again I like the sensation in both games I just want FM4 effects to come in earlier. 👍
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- GTP_Goshin2568
- Goshin2568
The realism of the experience? Personally I've never completely quashed the staring-at-a-flashing-electronic-box aspect of gaming, so my choice of controller or wheel comes down to precision, convenience, and reward, mostly. Do I need the extra control? Do I have a place to set up? Does the game make it worth my time? In the case of FM4 I'm out from the get-go with an incompatible wheel, but it's plenty good without one and it would fail the other criteria anyway.
So why do I want realism while playing with a gamepad? Because when I play a sim, I want cars that drive correctly. That's all.
