Forza 5/6 vs GT6 (See First Post Before Posting)

[Imari]

Gt3 was much better than GT2 in all departments except the number of cars.
GT5P I didn't even played it. Driving a car in a PSP wan never a good thing to do from my point of view.

GT5P is GT5 Prologue, not GT PSP.

From FM4 to FM5 a looooottt of content was droped out. The graphics and the drivatar are not a good excuse IMO. But it's the first game in the 4th gen consoles and T10 will make a lot of money with DLC... maybe in a near future FM5 will became the best FM game ever (overall).

From GT2 to GT3 a lot of content was dropped out. Far more than from FM4 to FM5. Many people had the opinion that the graphics didn't justify the lack of content. But it was the first game on the PS2 (which is sixth generation, Xbone/PS4 are eighth generation) and shortly after it's release it made PD and Sony a lot of money by being the best selling GT game of all time and moving a ton of hardware.

See how everything you said can be turned around when you plug in the example of another game with low amounts of content that release early in a console lifecycle?

Lack of content does not make a bad game. Being a bad game makes a bad game. What parts of the gameplay of FM5 do you find poor?

 

[zzz_pt]

In that case, I didn't liked GT5 Prologue...or GT4 Prologue.


Back in that time, GT3 was the only and best game of its genre. Now, FM can't do the same thing. Things can happen twice but the circumstances will never be the same. I think it's a risky move from T10 to take out such an amount of content and charge their costumers for things they already had in previous games.

 

[MasamuneDate]

This is a factor that Forza 5 has the edge over GT6, a full fledged livery editor. It doesn't matter if the design on the video is 'gay' or whatever, just the fact that you can use it to make your car unique is awesome.

 

[HAL20XX]

Haters gonna hate...

What if I told you that this is probably the dumbest argument I've seen yet. Oh wait, that spot is reserved for...

GT6 FTW!

POLYPHONY THE KING Forever!

If either if you have anything to post other than "it's the best because we're told it's the best", then I invite you to actually discuss it. Until then, let's leave this kind of mindless drivel out of here.

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

What if I told you that this is probably the dumbest argument I've seen yet. Oh wait, that spot is reserved for...

If either if you have anything to post other than "it's the best because we're told it's the best", then I invite you to actually discuss it. Until then, let's leave this kind of mindless drivel out of here.

It's better (but far from being "the best") because I've tried FM5 and it's meh. You can deal with it or not, that's not my problem.

 

[HAL20XX]

It's better (but far from being "the best") because I've tried FM5 and it's meh. You can deal with it or not, that's not my problem.

Wow, fantastic debate! What was so "meh" about it, other than it not having a GT logo on it?

If I don't hear back from you, I guess I'll just "deal with it".

Edit: Oh, using your awesome meme logic, Forza 5 is being compared to real life, so I guess that means Forza is better than real life!

 

[Wolfe]

@Fogerty_Jr -- "I've tried FM5 and I think GT6 will be better" is rather different from "GT6 is better because a thread is comparing it head-to-head with a next-gen game."

By your same logic Enthusia Professional Racing, a PS2 game, is a better game than GT6 simply by the fact that there's a thread comparing them. I'm glad you apparently feel that way, because I really like Enthusia too. 👍

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

Wow, fantastic debate! What was so "meh" about it, other than it not having a GT logo on it?

If I don't hear back from you, I guess I'll just "deal with it".

Edit: Oh, using your awesome meme logic, Forza 5 is being compared to real life, so I guess that means Forza is better than real life!

I've repeatedly stated in the past how Forza 4 was better than GT5, so you just don't treat me like a fanboy. I'm not GT biased, and when it comes to criticyze its weaknesses few people are harsher than me.
That being said: I felt lighting and reflections pretty unrealistic. Handling is terrible (although I still have to try it with a decent wheel): when cornering, FF and FR behave the exact same way. And countersteering is a complete mess.
I can deal with only 200 cars, what I cannot deal with is the lack of tracks, as the game forces you to play over and over to collect credits, and after a week or so, spent driving over and over the same tracks, it becomes really annoying.
What more. Lack of weather conditions, lack of night/day transitions, lack of a track editor. I'm not trading those features in for a livery editor, the age when it's cool to pimp your ride with vinyls for me is long gone.
Further: no racing game at the gates of 2014 can be considered complete without a proper recreation of the Nurburgring.
Finally: I didn't find the generational change adding much to forza 4. The advantages, where you find them, are cosmetic. And sounds are wonderful. For whatever else, not only I consider GT6 to be a better game, but I consider Forza 4 to be a better gaming experience as well. FM5 is just smoke and mirrors.

 

[greekbull]

I can't speak to GT6 because I haven't played it. I have enjoyed the GT series a ton over the years and think highly of it. I have been playing FM5 a bunch since the 22nd and can't imagine a older gen competing. FM5 is so far beyond anything we've had on a console before. The tracks are alive, you can tell a huge difference with the laser scanning and extra detail. Car models feel alive as well.

The only gripe I had at all was the credit/vip system and they've already addressed it. Does FM5 have less content? Yes(for now at least) But...the cars and tracks it has are amazing and more than adequate to make it the leader till at least Project Cars or GT7. I was considering picking up GT6 but after watching the videos of it I just can't see myself playing it at all over FM5.

 

[zzz_pt]

^ FM5 = eyecandy no doubt. But for me this is too short. :S

 

[Wolfe]

Memes are made to have fun. Don't be so serious, mate... here, have a potato.

I think you're misconstruing the lack of humor in your image macro for a lack of humor on my part. There are already too many fanatical Polyphony drones on this forum; don't feed the fanboys by pretending to be one.

The more detailed post you just made actually contributes something of value, and I agree with some of your points. I don't think FM5 is the game it could have been.

 

[Terronium-12]

Let's try this on for size folks, if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the thread don't post in it.

 

[UKMikey]

Things must be bad if some people are giving GT6 the win before it even comes out. What, is this based on the Academy demo? LOL.

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

Things must be bad if some people are giving GT6 the win before it even comes out. What, is this based on the Academy demo? LOL.

You clearly missed the part where someone already got to play the game
It's not about GT6, it's about FM5. Maybe I can make you feel better if I say that I *EXPECT* GT6 to be a better game, but in the meanwhile *I'M SURE* that FM4 already is.

 

[zzz_pt]

Things must be bad if some people are giving GT6 the win before it even comes out. What, is this based on the Academy demo? LOL.

If some people who reviwed FM5 said it was a step behind comparing it to FM4, then saying GT6 will be better is not such a nonsense as we might think it is.

FM5 looks great and the first impressions from what I've seen are positive. But once you get into the game, play, race, etc, the lack of content puts a huge black cloud above all the amazing graphics.

Appart from this, we can not put appart the fact that FM5 will cost you a lot more than GT6 (and money also counts for the price/pleasure relation). Most of the wheels are not compatible. XB1 costs 500€. XBlive costs 50/60€ /year. DLC with content we've already saw probably more 10/20€ each...

GT6 costs 60/70€, you can play it with your PS3 / wheel. You don't pay to play online and you have tons of content.

We have to take in account all these facts and not only the graphics (I continue to say that the light engine is way more realistic in GT6 though. In FM (all of them but in FM5 is better) everthing is to glossy and artificial).

 

[Symtex]

I think the issue is that if you have played through all the GT series, there is a certain feel to it you get accustomed too. That why GT player prefer GT games. I played a lot of GT4/5 but to me Forza already felt right. Specially FM4 with the CSR Wheel. I drive a Mustang in real life and I always thought the digital counterpart felt real minus the G force. FM5 is definitely a step above FM4 in physics. Too bad my CSR wheel doesn't work with it yet but even with the controller you can really feel the car.

Its a fool's game to try to convince GT fans to love something else that is on the "evil" Msft box. I bet if Forza was on playstation it would be another story

 

[zzz_pt]

There are a lot of GT gamers that have both consoles. I, for one, won't buy an XBOX1 just to play FM5. :S

I would buy PS4 to play GT7 though. Not because of GT itself but because of the other PS exclusives (Dark Souls, Infamous, Uncharted, etc).
As some people buy XB1 because they like XB exclusives more than PS's.

 

[Symtex]

There are a lot of GT gamers that have both consoles. I, for one, won't buy an XBOX1 just to play FM5. :S

I would buy PS4 to play GT7 though. Not because of GT itself but because of the other PS exclusives (Dark Souls, Infamous, Uncharted, etc).
As some people buy XB1 because they like XB exclusives more than PS's.

Since I already got an PS4 and X1 I got the best of both worlds :-)

 

[azrael1965]

I had a lot of doubts about FM5 and although I bought FM4 I have always been a GT Fan the last few years. But to really know how good FM5 is, you have to play it for yourself. It just feels so great, the rumble in the triggers, the sense of speed, the sound of the engines, the sound of the nearby helicopter. After a few races all the missing cars and missing tracks are forgotten, it's really that immersive.
Sure in the end GT6 will have much more content but if the driving is like GT5 , it going to be hard to win someone over who has experienced FM5. I must sound like a FM Fanboy now.

 

[UKMikey]

Appart from this, we can not put appart the fact that FM5 will cost you a lot more than GT6 (and money also counts for the price/pleasure relation). Most of the wheels are not compatible. XB1 costs 500€. XBlive costs 50/60€ /year. DLC with content we've already saw probably more 10/20€ each...

GT6 costs 60/70€, you can play it with your PS3 / wheel. You don't pay to play online and you have tons of content.

I guess using this logic iRacing is a worse game because the machine cost is higher and you have to buy the cars and tracks.

I'm hoping for a handling model that's similar to FM4 since I don't use a wheel and didn't get on with GT5's feel. It's not really about saving money with me, because I'm looking for a great game to play over the Holidays. I agree that Polyphony's shaders look awesome though.

You clearly missed the part where someone already got to play the game
It's not about GT6, it's about FM5. Maybe I can make you feel better if I say that I *EXPECT* GT6 to be a better game, but in the meanwhile *I'M SURE* that FM4 already is.

I certainly did miss that part, did they rate it above FM5 as well?

BTW, I feel great because the majority of people here who have actually played the latest Forza seem to feel it's a step up from the previous game handling wise.

 

[zzz_pt]

But I hope you know that the majoraty of the people (including me) can't afford the 2 consoles in a month (some people never will).

And that people have to think a lot more than you before make a decision between GT/FM PS/XB. And for the better or for the worse, probably they will decide not for the "best game" factor but for other factors.

UKMikey: iRacing? lol. There is a thing called "target". And the people who play iRacing is not the same who plays consoles (in the majoraty). The people who plays iRacing usually is older and more "race addicted". That's what I think. This is a comparison between games produced for the same people. iRacing is not in the same boat.

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

I think the issue is that if you have played through all the GT series, there is a certain feel to it you get accustomed too. That why GT player prefer GT games. I played a lot of GT4/5 but to me Forza already felt right. Specially FM4 with the CSR Wheel. I drive a Mustang in real life and I always thought the digital counterpart felt real minus the G force. FM5 is definitely a step above FM4 in physics. Too bad my CSR wheel doesn't work with it yet but even with the controller you can really feel the car.

Its a fool's game to try to convince GT fans to love something else that is on the "evil" Msft box. I bet if Forza was on playstation it would be another story

Who said that I'm a GT/Playstation fan? I have a 360 (which I've bought on purpose to play forza) and I can ensure you I've melted Forza 4 DVD.
It's not a question of being accustomed to one game or another. I compare to real life. You see, I have another toy besides PS3 and XB360, and it is a lightly tuned 2002 Celica which I use (almost) only on tracks. I've been lapping with her at Estoril, Jerez, Imola, Monza, Vairano, Adria, Vallenunga, and there's not a month going by without me taking her to Mugello.
Not that this makes me any kind of professional, but for sure I do know how the real thing behaves. Forza and GT are NOT simulators, they both behave unrealistically in one way or another. I just feel that GT has a closer feeling, even if it's plagued by a dumb AI and many other issues. Knowing perfectly how a high power FF responses, I can ensure you that it's miles away from what you experience in Forza.

 

[UKMikey]

I'm not sure I can afford two new consoles in the same month. Given the choice I'd rather buy the one which gives me something to race on now and hopefully pick up the other once there are some decent racers available for it.

 

[Symtex]

well I drive RWD so its totally different than FF

Note : The major issue with any simulator is the lack of G force that you feel when you push your car. That is something they can never account for. Therefore, it will never feel like a real simulator unless you have the big rig with hydraulic.

 

[Fogerty_Jr]

well I drive RWD so its totally different than FF

Note : The major issue with any simulator is the lack of G force that you feel when you push your car. That is something they can never account for. Therefore, it will never feel like a real simulator unless you have the big rig with hydraulic.

Yes, you can:

Not at home, though... unless you're a millionaire

EDIT: sorry, I missed the part when you already mention this

PS: you accelerate while turning on a FF, you go straight as an arrow. You do the same in fm5 and they... powerslide. It wasn't like that in fm4, so for christmas sake... why?

 

[Symtex]

Yes, you can:

Not at home, though... unless you're a millionaire

EDIT: sorry, I missed the part when you already mention this

PS: you accelerate while turning on a FF, you go straight as an arrow. You do the same in fm5 and they... powerslide. It wasn't like that in fm4, so for christmas sake... why?

In case you are curious, this is me, driving my 'Stang through a series of cones :

Well, for your FF going straight is that maybe you don't slam the accelerator like you do in game ? I notice the deadzone on the right trigger is really low and its very sensitive.

 

[HAL20XX]

I've repeatedly stated in the past how Forza 4 was better than GT5, so you just don't treat me like a fanboy. I'm not GT biased, and when it comes to criticyze its weaknesses few people are harsher than me.
That being said: I felt lighting and reflections pretty unrealistic. Handling is terrible (although I still have to try it with a decent wheel): when cornering, FF and FR behave the exact same way. And countersteering is a complete mess.
I can deal with only 200 cars, what I cannot deal with is the lack of tracks, as the game forces you to play over and over to collect credits, and after a week or so, spent driving over and over the same tracks, it becomes really annoying.
What more. Lack of weather conditions, lack of night/day transitions, lack of a track editor. I'm not trading those features in for a livery editor, the age when it's cool to pimp your ride with vinyls for me is long gone.
Further: no racing game at the gates of 2014 can be considered complete without a proper recreation of the Nurburgring.
Finally: I didn't find the generational change adding much to forza 4. The advantages, where you find them, are cosmetic. And sounds are wonderful. For whatever else, not only I consider GT6 to be a better game, but I consider Forza 4 to be a better gaming experience as well. FM5 is just smoke and mirrors.

I actually consider the lighting engine to be fairly realistic. I still think PD has the upper hand, however.

I'm really not experiencing what you are with FF and FR in the corners. FM5 does a fantastic job making it feel like FF is actually pulling you through a turn, and the amount of understeer seems reasonable. Can you describe what your cars are doing in a turn to make them behave entirely unlike what their drivetrain would dictate?

I'd rather have a livery editor than a lunar rover. Night and weather, however, are sorely missed. I never bothered with the track generator so I can't comment.

 

[Imari]

Back in that time, GT3 was the only and best game of its genre. Now, FM can't do the same thing. Things can happen twice but the circumstances will never be the same. I think it's a risky move from T10 to take out such an amount of content and charge their costumers for things they already had in previous games.

You're still not providing any basis for WHY they "can't do the same thing". Why not?

The main competition, if you want to call it that, is on older hardware and 60% of it's assets are between 8 and 12 years old from TWO generations ago. If you asked me before GT5, I'd have said there was no way they could get away with that one, but obviously I'm wrong.

Why is a low content/high quality game such a bad thing?

 

[TokoTurismo]

Why is a low content/high quality game such a bad thing?

Because next-gen? Well, for a racing simulator like Forza, people expected it to have lot's of content like GT, and similar to FM4 content wise. Especially for the fact that it's on a next gen console, yes its a high quality game, but people expected more than what they've got currently on FM5. Well. There's always updates.

 

[Imari]

Because next-gen?

You're saying a next gen release title should have MORE content than the previous gen title it replaces?

That's logic for you right there.