Forza 5 Is A Major Dissapointment, Will DLC Save It?

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  1. Forza 5 is a great game more than worthy of the £50 price. Any car lover will see that, if not your deluded or envious for some reason.
  2. The Xbone will never catch the PS4 on power or performance. Anyone with half of a brain will see this, if not your deluded or envious for some reason.
 
I'll be buying the one with better games.

Even last gen Sony's extra power amounted to practically nothing. Though they are saying this gen's PS4 is more programmer-friendly.

HAL20XX
There's so much potential still left in the Xbox One that developers just need to be more accustomed to. The same happened with the PS3 and its CELL processor: difficult to program for, but incredibly powerful once figured out.
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You mean the X360, don't you? So much potential left in the X360.
 
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Speedster911
You mean the X360, don't you? So much potential left in the X360.
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Why would he? People are pointing at current X1 games as though that's the limit of what the console can achieve, where that's been false for every single console generation I've played. Release games and games in the first year are in no way indicative of what a console is actually capable of.

For example, compare Forza 2 to Forza 3 to Forza 4. The jump in quality from an early title (FM2) to a mid-gen title (FM3) is enormous. The jump from FM3 to FM4 is not huge, but there's something there too.

Developers seem to find the majority of their tricks in the first few years. Come back in 2016 or 2017 and then we'll judge whether the X1's lack of numbers on paper has actually crippled it, or whether it's one of those things where it's weaker but nobody really notices.
 
Speedster911
Tomb Raider, Watch Dogs, GTA 5... a lot more than you and I are not aware of. These are just off the top of my head.



Great, how much is the regular Xlive annual membership? And what kind of bare minimum internet do you need to get all the content updates in one piece? I have a 1 MB/sec broadband "shared" connection. Yep, I'm ancient.

It is sad, consoles are still lagging behind. The year is 2014, and we still have consoles with majority of games being at 30 fps.

You're right, console price tags would soar rather high with all those goodies. I think I'm generally losing interest in gaming.... and just not interested in dishing out so much cash to re-spark my interest.

I'm about to touch my mid-30s. Hmm.... gaming doesn't excite me like it used to back in the 90s. Oh those wonderful years filled with SNES, PS2 and PC madness.

Uhh.. sorry for deviating from topic! :grumpy:
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I think the bold statement might be the reason you are not into gaming anymore. Most everything is online and since you have a poor connection, you are not able to truly enjoy the games anymore. Is there any way at all you can upgrade?? You are missing so much fun online.
 
CAMAROBOY69
I think the bold statement might be the reason you are not into gaming anymore. Most everything is online and since you have a poor connection, you are not able to truly enjoy the games anymore. Is there any way at all you can upgrade?? You are missing so much fun online.
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I agree, when I used to have the same speed as @Speedster911 it was a chore, especially when trying to play mutiplayer, where most of the fun comes from.

@Speedster911 How come you dont upgrade? Are you bound by a contract?
 
ImaRobot
I agree, when I used to have the same speed as @Speedster911 it was a chore, especially when trying to play mutiplayer, where most of the fun comes from.

@Speedster911 How come you dont upgrade? Are you bound by a contract?
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You know what?? You NAILED it! THAT's IT! I couldn't put my finger on it. I have been grossly missing out on MP. And you know what? Apart from a little bit of LAN gaming on the PC more than a decade back...I'm never MP'd! As in... ever! :banghead:

I know I am missing out... but here's the thing: I can't really afford a faster internet connection at the moment. And here's another deal breaker - since I'm from the third-world side of the globe (SE Asia!), internet connections are a dodgy deal. They say they're very fast, but they're actually not. Half the time, the connections conk out unexpectedly or don't work like they're supposed to. :grumpy:

That's why it's an investment that I think just isn't worth it. On the other hand, let's say I were residing somewhere in Canada, the US, somewhere in Europe, ME or even Australia, I'd get a fast connection in a heartbeat, believe moi. :dopey:

This is one other reason I've been shying away from the X1 is the amount of time you have to spend getting online content and updates in order to enjoy games the way devs want you to. :irked:

So no, I ain't bound by a contract. :lol:



In all fairness, depending on how quickly the list of X1 games starts to get populated, I think the X360 has at least a good 2 years of gaming juice left in it. It's interesting how during the last few years of a console's life cycle, you start to get some pretty amazing games, graphically.
 
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Speedster911
This is one other reason I've been shying away from the X1 is the amount of time you have to spend getting online content and updates in order to enjoy games the way devs want you to.
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And that is different from the PS4 how? Hell, how is that different to the xbox 360 and PS3? Well, baring the obvious size of the downloads. And how is it different to needing to update windows/mac/linux?

Your doing everything humanly possible to talk yourself out of buying something you obviously want, and in all honesty I don't see why?

By the way, what part of SE Asia are you from?
 
Ialyrn
And that is different from the PS4 how? Hell, how is that different to the xbox 360 and PS3? Well, baring the obvious size of the downloads. And how is it different to needing to update windows/mac/linux?

Your doing everything humanly possible to talk yourself out of buying something you obviously want, and in all honesty I don't see why?

By the way, what part of SE Asia are you from?
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Like you mentioned, it's the obvious file size from the updates on the One alone. It took me some time to download the update, as well as FM5 and I'm at 20mbps. On the 360 updates were always small, hell, title updates weren't even big really. When you have a slow Internet connection like that, it becomes a real pain in the ass, so I can understand where he's coming from.

As to him talking himself out of it, what's so bad about it? He's weighing out his decision and figuring out what's the best bet for him.

@Speedster911 I had no idea you were overseas!
 
the size of updates and games are large for two reasons.

Combination of uncompressed textures and sound files.

No longer having a restricted medium like DVD to force devs to adopt compression techniques.
 
FordGTGuy
the size of updates and games are large for two reasons.

Combination of uncompressed textures and sound files.

No longer having a restricted medium like DVD to force devs to adopt compression techniques.
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Yes, and thats why he mentioned his slow internet.
 
shadynader
Wouldn't the GOTY version have most updates already on the disc?

Not a solution I know but it's something.
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The past games did, but this on looked a bit iffy. That is a partial solution, but like me, I got FM5 for free as a digital download. I'm just glad that I dont have a slow internet connection otherwise 37 gigs would have taken a lifetime to download.
 
ImaRobot
The past games did, but this on looked a bit iffy. That is a partial solution, but like me, I got FM5 for free as a digital download. I'm just glad that I dont have a slow internet connection otherwise 37 gigs would have taken a lifetime to download.
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Yeah, I set up my nephews box and downloaded the digital one back in January. That's something I definitely couldn't recommend for a slow connection.
 
Symtex
I am saying that people who were against the xbox one are running out of excuse.
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This is my biggest excuse:

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And it even has the Forza badge on it for crying out loud :mad:
 
^ Tears me up a bit though, i really liked FM4 and how T10 manages their games in general, but i'd feel like a b:censored: if i'd cave in for those tactics and replace a perfectly fine wheel just because MS thinks they can play me like that.

If there would ever be a workaround solution like an adapter, but if not i'll pass out of principle (and let's not forget the stunt they tried to pull with second hand games also). I'm a consumer just like the next man but i don't like being treated like a fool.
 
shadynader
Wouldn't the GOTY version have most updates already on the disc?

Not a solution I know but it's something.
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I don't think they're giving us that with FM5, unless a surprise announcement is made or something. But don't they WANT people to be on Xbox Live and buy DLC? Doubt if there's going to be a GOTY edition.

It was a very smart marketing strategy to release FM3: Ultimate Edition. They really should do that for both FM4 and 5. It's not like it'll put a major dent in their profit margins.

ImaRobot
The past games did, but this on looked a bit iffy. That is a partial solution, but like me, I got FM5 for free as a digital download. I'm just glad that I dont have a slow internet connection otherwise 37 gigs would have taken a lifetime to download.
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Hang on here, what's that? You got it for free, as in you paid 0 quids/bucks and just downloaded it??
 
Well, double crap then!

Since I'm not interested in Kinect, I'll have to dish out what, $50 for the game plus another $5 for the season pass? I want to have ALL car DLC and tracks.
 
mister dog
^ Tears me up a bit though, i really liked FM4 and how T10 manages their games in general, but i'd feel like a b:censored: if i'd cave in for those tactics and replace a perfectly fine wheel just because MS thinks they can play me like that.

If there would ever be a workaround solution like an adapter, but if not i'll pass out of principle (and let's not forget the stunt they tried to pull with second hand games also). I'm a consumer just like the next man but i don't like being treated like a fool.
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It really shows most peoples ignorance of the topic when they leave comments like this.

Microsoft's original system would've allowed you to share your games with any of your friends over Xbox Live. Steam came out with a similar system that everyone seems to call the second-coming of Jesus, which is actually a worse system because the Steam version only allowed one person to access one library at any given time. Microsoft's system would've allowed two people to access a library at the same time. It also allowed you to give your games directly to a friend at least one time but the game could not be given again after that.

Before you say Microsoft wouldn't have allowed this you should know that Microsoft allows you to share games across two gaming consoles right now, me and my brother basically get two copies of a game by buying one copy in digital form.(We can both play said game at the same time, this also goes for DLC and Season Passes.)

The whole anti-consumer idea behind what they were trying to do was just the internet hate bandwagon.

Even Sony came out at E3 during their conference and admitted that 95% of their PS4s sold were connected to the internet.


The best part of their plan in my opinion was the ability to buy a game physically and have it installed and run digitally until you wanted to sell it and you could then sell your digital game in a physical form at a Gamestop or any other retailer.
 
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FordGTGuy
It really shows most peoples ignorance of the topic when they leave comments like this.

Microsoft's original system would've allowed you to share your games with any of your friends over Xbox Live. Steam came out with a similar system that everyone seems to call the second-coming of Jesus, which is actually a worse system because the Steam version only allowed one person to access one library at any given time. Microsoft's system would've allowed two people to access a library at the same time. It also allowed you to give your games directly to a friend at least one time but the game could not be given again after that.

Before you say Microsoft wouldn't have allowed this you should know that Microsoft allows you to share games across two gaming consoles right now, me and my brother basically get two copies of a game by buying one copy in digital form.(We can both play said game at the same time, this also goes for DLC and Season Passes.)

The whole anti-consumer idea behind what they were trying to do was just the internet hate bandwagon.

Even Sony came out at E3 during their conference and admitted that 95% of their PS4s sold were connected to the internet.


The best part of their plan in my opinion was the ability to buy a game physically and have it installed and run digitally until you wanted to sell it and you could then sell your digital game in a physical form at a Gamestop or any other retailer.
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If you like to call people ignorant, i'd suggest you start by looking in the mirror if you can't seem to realize this was an attempt to restrict the second hand market, and stop people selling their physical disks to eachother. The arguments of "but you can share them digitally with a friend" or MS would have given you the possibility to still sell it at dedicated stores under this and those conditions, is just sugarcoating it.

Open your eyes.
 
Speedster911
Well, double crap then!

Since I'm not interested in Kinect, I'll have to dish out what, $50 for the game plus another $5 for the season pass? I want to have ALL car DLC and tracks.
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60 for the game, if its new. I think the season pass is way more then 5 bucks though haha

Yeah, I was originally going to get the one without the kinect but decided against it since the kinect bundle came with fm5 for free. For $104 for a defective Xbox, my network adaptor, and Diablo 3. So really all I payed was about $450~ since the game was free.
 
Speedster911
I don't think they're giving us that with FM5, unless a surprise announcement is made or something. But don't they WANT people to be on Xbox Live and buy DLC? Doubt if there's going to be a GOTY edition.

It was a very smart marketing strategy to release FM3: Ultimate Edition. They really should do that for both FM4 and 5. It's not like it'll put a major dent in their profit margins.
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https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fm5-racing-game-of-the-year-edition-coming-july-22nd.310897/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/06/06/forza-5-racing-game-of-the-year-edition-revealed
 
Weee-hay-hay-hay-llllll, I'll be!

Why T10, you seem to be back to ticking all the right check boxes again!

Any need for the season pass if you're getting the GOYT edition?
 

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