Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[The_Greaser]

Another piece of feedback is to MATCH THE THEME OF THE SERIES UPDATE WITH THE RESPECTIVE REWARDS. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO DO?
"#FORDZATHON" could literally be "#DAILYSUPERHEROS" because they are all spicy versions of daily/normal vehicles.
Fordzathon can be saved for a future update where the rewards are actually Ford/Shelby like the leaked Shelby 1000/Thunderbird/BTCC Focus/GTX1 or the Mach E/Mustang GT S650 (if they get the license).

Yeah, I can see where you're going with this. What you're looking at is a textbook example of an 'in-name only' naming scheme. I know I'm not alone in how frustrating these issues are. You might as well call it "Hatchbackathon".

It is really hard to pin the blame on to. It could be the player engagement, it could be the livestreams, or the fact that it's essentially a live-service game. The only hope is for Expansion 2's completion and the FM reboot being released, which until then we will have to go through several months' worth of playlists, in which they (hopefully) will get better afterwards.

Has there ever been any AAA game (outside of FH) that benefitted from a live-service model? There were other games that were popular (and great) without going into live-service, and that was years ago.

Here's what happens: Games become incomplete, promised features can take up to either months or even years, they introduce poisonous microtransations and predatory forms of monetization to get exclusive cars (via real money), or worse, the game would be completely unplayable offline (the latter ones I hope they don't force into FH5).

So many games have done this and they ruined their identities. I grew up with Grand Theft Auto franchise, for example. When GTA V first came out I was astounded, much like FH5 here. Then Rockstar released Grand Theft Auto: Online few weeks later and, as of 2016, everything was infected with being exclusionary to its online arm. No single-player DLC. No new content for single player. And they basically neglected it since 2015, if I remember correctly. On top of all this in 2019 they released an actual casino that, well, didn't actually force to spend real money on content, as it was its own currency. Though it was blocked in over 50 countries and was considered one of the worst microtransactions ever made, I still think Rockstar probably... well, I've got no idea. But still.... I haven't touched GTA 5 since then. Can understand why the update was blocked because of stricter gambling regulations.

At least the good thing about it, is Forza is not touching that sort of thing with a ten-foot pole. But that may not last for long.

Can understand where it is regarding gambling. But this is something that does not need discussing so, I'll stop the slight offtopic comparison there.

On topic: Can you see where I'm kinda goin' with this? The reason why I did the whole New Year's resolution thing was because PGG is in dire waters.

 

[pez2k]

On top of all this in 2019 they released an actual casino that forced players to spend real money on content. It was blocked in over 50 countries and was one of the worst microtransactions ever made.

That's, er, not actually true. The casino in GTA Online operates entirely with its own currency, which is given out in small amounts for free daily, or can be converted from the normal game currency (and back again). In theory, players could buy the game currency with real money and convert it to the casino currency, but I think there's a daily limit too. There's also no content locked behind the casino games, they're just the standard basic games that pay out the casino currency. As far as I'm aware, most of the regional blocks were in countries where electronic gambling is illegal or heavily regulated, regardless of whether real money is involved, or where allowing children to gamble is restricted.

Other than the content exclusive to the PS5 / XS versions requiring that version of the game to be bought, I can't think of anything in GTAO that forces a player to spend real money. I've played it casually for years and it's never cost me a penny, and I've been through all of the expansions and available missions over that time. Contrast that to FH5, where the car pass is a real money purchase, so is the Hot Wheels expansion, and two cars are locked behind partner purchases (the '32 Ford FE and the nail polish Ford GT).

I'd also say that GTAO is actually a great example of a GaaS model extending the life of a game, as there's absolutely zero chance that GTA5 would have still been getting new content and missions for free 9 years after launch otherwise.

 

[WanganDream]

Another piece of feedback is to MATCH THE THEME OF THE SERIES UPDATE WITH THE RESPECTIVE REWARDS. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO DO?
"#FORDZATHON" could literally be "#DAILYSUPERHEROS" because they are all spicy versions of daily/normal vehicles.
Fordzathon can be saved for a future update where the rewards are actually Ford/Shelby like the leaked Shelby 1000/Thunderbird/BTCC Focus/GTX1 or the Mach E/Mustang GT S650 (if they get the license).

I agree 100% with this opinion.
The mismatch between the theme and the rewards is not just a simple reward issue, it also makes the update of the series itself look bad.

If it is difficult to add new/return cars in time, why not more actively use exclusive/H2F cars already included in the game that match the season's theme as prizes?

 

[breyzipp]

Another piece of feedback is to MATCH THE THEME OF THE SERIES UPDATE WITH THE RESPECTIVE REWARDS. WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO DO?
"#FORDZATHON" could literally be "#DAILYSUPERHEROS" because they are all spicy versions of daily/normal vehicles.
Fordzathon can be saved for a future update where the rewards are actually Ford/Shelby like the leaked Shelby 1000/Thunderbird/BTCC Focus/GTX1 or the Mach E/Mustang GT S650 (if they get the license).

Yeah it looks lazy the way they implemented it. Same with that DoNutCare Media series.

#RENAULTzathon

 

[Edax 76]

Just won a Trueno from a wheelspin. It was a double but the selling price was pitifully low. I thought I'd look in the AH to see if I could do better. Oh hell yes!!!! Minimum price of 2,000 credits or maximum price of 9,191,000 credits. I've left it at those settings to see if it sells.🤞

 

[SU_Tempest]

Just won a Trueno from a wheelspin. It was a double but the selling price was pitifully low. I thought I'd look in the AH to see if I could do better. Oh hell yes!!!! Minimum price of 2,000 credits or maximum price of 9,191,000 credits. I've left it at those settings to see if it sells.🤞

Congrats! Hope it makes you a pile of credits.

 

[Edax 76]

Congrats! Hope it makes you a pile of credits.

Cheers both of you. It went for 5.3 million. Only put it up for a hour. Happy with that.

 

[Pepperoncini]

I have about 14million credits, time to start buying more cars to fill up this garage!

 

[The_Greaser]

Yeah it looks lazy the way they implemented it. Same with that DoNutCare Media series.

#RENAULTzathon

I do agree. This is the very textbook example of straight up lies. Realistically they should've gone with something new that actually are Fords.

2024 Mustang, anyone? Gee, I wonder what they should've added instead of the MGs... How about a GT Mk II? The new electric Supervan? New Bronco Raptor or F-150 Raptor?

 

[Turboteg90]

Ken Block has passed away. Damn.

 

[The_Greaser]

Oh no... Looks like Hoonigan is not very likely to ever be licensed in the future now. Sad to see Block go away.

 

[Apple Slipper]

RIP Ken Block 43

He was a massive inspiration and influential to many of us petrolheads. He and his team at Hoonigan made popular and legendary stunt videos. His cars were a lot of fun to drive in video games. He definitely will be missed and condolenses for his family and Hoonigan.

 

[L8 Apex]

Oh no... Looks like Hoonigan is not very likely to ever be licensed in the future now. Sad to see Block go away.

Pretty confident FH5 was already going to be the last Forza game with their cars based on their deal with CSR, but who cares about that right now? Indescribably huge loss for the car community, his family and friends.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I heard the news about Ken Block. Rest in peace old legend, we all hope for the best to your family. It's always sad to hear news like this.

 

[SU_Tempest]

RIP Ken Block. We've lost a legend, gone far, far too soon.

 

[Edax 76]

Look at my average acceleration G and my average braking G.😂😂😂😂😂😂

Amazing stats.

 

[UKMikey]

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Look at my average acceleration G and my average braking G.😂😂😂😂😂😂

Amazing stats.

Even if they count the plane you start the game in as a vehicle those stats are pretty high and your player character should be a pancake by now.

Maybe it's something to do with the weird gravity in the Hot Wheels park. That'd explain why there are so many 40,000 and 50,000ft entries on the danger sign leaderboards. They must have found a way to yeet their cars off the floating island. 🤔

 

[Famine]

your player character should be a pancake by now

Remember the Y Que!

I've got similar numbers, and had them before Hot Wheels. I have no reasonable explanation for it - at least if it was braking force you could make a decent argument that 300mph to zero against an immovable object would generate those numbers, but for acceleration it's nonsensical.


And you can indeed get yote from the island, in several places. I've even sent an AI to its death

 

[UKMikey]

Remember the Y Que!

¿Que?

you can indeed get yote from the island, in several places

When my car UFITs the animation fades out before I go splat.

 

[Famine]

When my car UFITs the animation fades out before I go splat.

Ah right. No, you can't get down to the land at all. Which is a shame - but then you can't see "SkyDrivers Park" from the ground either

 

[UKMikey]

No, you can't get down to the land at all.

You'd think it'd be raining cars in Mexico if that happened.

 

[Famine]

¿Que?

Reference to the most inappropriately funny scene in The Expanse (but also the relevant book) when dealing with massive deceleration from gravitational slingshot speeds to the Ring Medium speed cap of about 40mph.

You'd think it'd be raining cars in Mexico if that happened.

 

[sirjim73]

¿Que?
When my car UFITs the animation fades out before I go splat.

 

[The_Greaser]

Strictly speaking, there would be a fair reason why they don't allow the animation of the cars falling to the ground. Perhaps it's got somethin' to do with manufacturers not allowing the body frame to be damaged.

Haven't even bothered with HW expansion since it ended up being boring in the long run, and Expansion 2 can't come soon enough. But so help me this better not be a Lego expansion.

I know everything can be catered to adults but I do want to see PG experiment with other avenues of expansion ideas. Not just product placement.

 

[Populuxe]

The reason they don't animate cars falling on to the main map from the Hot Wheels map is because they are two completely different maps. There is no connection between the two.

 

[Komrad Syka]

Strictly speaking, there would be a fair reason why they don't allow the animation of the cars falling to the ground. Perhaps it's got somethin' to do with manufacturers not allowing the body frame to be damaged.

Haven't even bothered with HW expansion since it ended up being boring in the long run, and Expansion 2 can't come soon enough. But so help me this better not be a Lego expansion.

The Horizons since FH3 seem to be partially catered to kids, and I'm just jaded from it. Maybe it ought to be time for PG to grow up.

Hot Wheels =/= Kids

Are you for real bud?

 

[ykiki]

I kind of liked the FH4 Lego expansion, along with the Hot Wheels from FH5. However, I do miss the city from the FH3 Hot Wheels expansion - especially at night, where it had a Tron-like vibe.

As for being geared towards kids, I'll take that as a complement since I haven't been called a kid for a few decades (aside from my late father-in-law) 😅

 

[UKMikey]

Every game can be improved but expecting a mass market product to cater solely to the demands of a vocal minority sounds like a fruitless endeavour to me.

 

[GBalao888]

I kind of liked the FH4 Lego expansion, along with the Hot Wheels from FH5. However, I do miss the city from the FH3 Hot Wheels expansion - especially at night, where it had a Tron-like vibe.

I'm just worried that if the second expansion is anything like the Lego expansion, it won't see a lot of cars coming. The Lego expansion was criticized for not having any new cars other than Lego Speed Champions vehicles, but don't get me wrong - the new map was pretty entertaining.

I wouldn't be surprised if the second expansion would be based on either Matchbox or Tomica.

 

[GTvsForza]

Seeing how GT7 has Tomica stuff, I wouldn't bet on that one.