Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[EngieDiesel]

I seriously doubt that is the case. It was pretty clear from the jump that Polyphony had temporary exclusive rights to Toyota considering everyone, from NFS to Forza, was suddenly dropping a company that for the most part, didn't care where their cars were, just that they were there. It's pretty clear the Stellantis merger is the main culprit - but I don't think PG/T10 is entirely innocent or blameless in this case.

Oh, I doubt it was that as well. If it were marques that were widely appealing to the general audience like BMW or Ferrari then I would consider it more, but as it is Alfa is probably the only missing name that would be trending with Joe Average Gamer in the last couple years. I just felt like stirring the pot a bit, and to be honest stranger things have happened.

Exactly. We still have Jeep, Dodge, Ram, Maserati and Vauxhall, for example, all of which are Stellantis brands. If there is a licensing issue, it's with FCA Italy, whose brands are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia (well, well).

This is a very good point. Stellantis is so large it no doubt has seperate legal and marketing divisions for each of the different regions it operates in now, and each would have to be dealt with individually. Some likely have very different priorities depending on where they stand in the parent organization's hierarchy as well.

 

[willbsn13]

As far as I know, it wasn't. Watch this video (from 11:20) where the normal Huracan is customized. You will see him applying both the Liberty Walk and the Duke Dynamics kits to the car. They do not match that front end from the green car.

I guess not, but it's not 100% clear. Either way, I'm not getting my hopes up.

I would think that if Stellantis pulled out we would have lost all of their brands. Similar to how we lost Toyota and Lexus.
It is possible that there are still files missing for a day one patch. I'd be curious to know how many car files are in the pre-download compared to how many we have confirmed to be in the game.

And PG surely would have announced something by now also

But who knows how the licensing works and I'm not going to get my hopes up for a Day 1 Patch that "fixes everything". We've seen so many people fall into that trap with games before. So yeah I'm just going to assume the 530 cars confirmed so far is the final Day One list. If we get anything else, it's a nice bonus.

 

[Nacho Libre]

I didn't had space in the Series S internal SSD, so I had to shuffle some, but now it refuses to download, there is only the 964 MB placeholder file...
It is downloading in the One X (116 GB).
Update: Solved the issue in the Series S by deleting the placeholder file and reloading from the store. Both downloads finished within the day!

 

[L8 Apex]

Exactly. We still have Jeep, Dodge, Ram, Maserati and Vauxhall, for example, all of which are Stellantis brands. If there is a licensing issue, it's with FCA Italy, whose brands are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia (well, well).

Opel and Peugeot are in also, plus defunct/merged marques Plymouth, Willys and AMC (but not Hudson or Talbot).

 

[warp9engage]

I guess not, but it's not 100% clear. Either way, I'm not getting my hopes up.

That is certainly your prerogative. However, I honestly don't see how that could be the Duke Dynamics kit. I mean, let me quote the comparison below:

Footage of the new Huracan bodykit has been shown, which means we can now say with certainty that the one in the intro video isn't that one.
Bodykit:
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Intro car:
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Imagine painting the kit, of the top picture, green. The shapes simply don't match, so whatever is on the front of that Huracan is not the Duke kit. It looks very Evo to me.

Now, what it could be, is another kit you can apply to the base Huracan, to make it look like an Evo. However, from a licensing standpoint, would Lamborghini allow that? I'm pretty sure they don't offer "Evo" conversions for their base Huracans and, since racing games are also used for advertising, this could lead to people thinking there are new options soon to be available for their cars, when in reality not.

I honestly don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but we live in the age of "We'll patch it later". I wouldn't be surprised if they're negotiating for brands and cars, all the way to the day people get their hands on it. Models ready and waiting to be deployed. And it's because they're still negotiating, that they won't confirm the absence of these pending brands.

 

[ImaRobot]

Now, what it could be, is another kit you can apply to the base Huracan, to make it look like an Evo. However, from a licensing standpoint, would Lamborghini allow that? I'm pretty sure they don't offer "Evo" conversions for their base Huracans and, since racing games are also used for advertising, this could lead to people thinking there are new options soon to be available for their cars, when in reality not.

I really doubt that. Lots of cars have one off customization done by PG themselves, and if people get confused if it's an option or not for the real car, I doubt it'll matter to anyone.

 

[ClydeYellow]

That is certainly your prerogative. However, I honestly don't see how that could be the Duke Dynamics kit. I mean, let me quote the comparison below:

Imagine painting the kit, of the top picture, green. The shapes simply don't match, so whatever is on the front of that Huracan is not the Duke kit. It looks very Evo to me.

Now, what it could be, is another kit you can apply to the base Huracan, to make it look like an Evo. However, from a licensing standpoint, would Lamborghini allow that? I'm pretty sure they don't offer "Evo" conversions for their base Huracans and, since racing games are also used for advertising, this could lead to people thinking there are new options soon to be available for their cars, when in reality not.

I honestly don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but we live in the age of "We'll patch it later". I wouldn't be surprised if they're negotiating for brands and cars, all the way to the day people get their hands on it. Models ready and waiting to be deployed. And it's because they're still negotiating, that they won't confirm the absence of these pending brands.

There was also a XJ220S that showed its foglights in an event tile during the earliest preview of the Festival Playlist, only to be replaced by a "normal" XJ220 in the latest Let's Go. @TheAdmiester may be able to confirm whether or not the standard XJ220 has any new body parts, but I remember some Youtuber saying the TWR bodykit is not a modification for the XJ220 - meaning that it's a separate car, which however is not currently in the game.

Which means that both may be (early) Car Pass vehicles. After all, it wouldn't be the first time a preview build somehow spoiled early DLC cars - back in the FM7 days we knew the Abarth 124, Alfa Giulia (sigh) and Brabham BT45B were coming well in advance due to a leaked screen of the Car Collector menu having tiles with their names on it.

As for the FCA Italy situation, I figure I could just walk over to their offices, ask some questions... Provided security would let me in (and they won't).

 

[warp9engage]

I really doubt that. Lots of cars have one off customization done by PG themselves, and if people get confused if it's an option or not for the real car, I doubt it'll matter to anyone.

Unlicensed customization vs licensed customization. I would say there would be a difference between a generic bodykit and something actually recognizable from the brand. Of course, only PG knows what agreements they have with Lamborghini.

 

[ClydeYellow]

I really doubt that. Lots of cars have one off customization done by PG themselves, and if people get confused if it's an option or not for the real car, I doubt it'll matter to anyone.

Generally speaking, it seems that parts giving a model the appearance of a more recent facelift / a higher-end trim are a big no-no. Manufacturers are probably fine with players being able to turn a car into its older and cheaper self, but would be rather peeved at the implication that, say, all the difference between a Huracan and a Huracan Evo is a front bumper.

Of course, there are exceptions to this (the E46 M3 having access to the GTR's bumper comes to mind), but they are few and far in between.

 

[warp9engage]

As for the FCA Italy situation, I figure I could just walk over to their offices, ask some questions... Provided security would let me in (and they won't).

I'll look forward to the news articles starting with "An Italian Man(...)" 😀

 

[willbsn13]

Which means that both may be (early) Car Pass vehicles. After all, it wouldn't be the first time a preview build somehow spoiled early DLC cars - back in the FM7 days we knew the Abarth 124, Alfa Giulia (sigh) and Brabham BT45B were coming well in advance due to a leaked screen of the Car Collector menu having tiles with their names on it.

This is probably the most likely scenario I feel.

The TWR XJ220 and the Huracan Evo are both prime Car Pass candidates; both variations of existing models in the game and we know PG likes those for their DLC vehicles. You only have to look at;

NSX-R ---> NSX-R GT
Gallardo ------> Gallardo Spyder Performante
Camaro --------> Camaro ZL1 1LE
Corvette ------> Corvette ZR1

etc etc. To see that they'd make a lot of sense being the first couple of car pass cars.

As for the FCA Italy situation, I figure I could just walk over to their offices, ask some questions... Provided security would let me in (and they won't).

Do us all a favor and tell them to put the GTV-6 in a Horizon game for once, a true crime it hasn't featured yet.

 

[ImaRobot]

Generally speaking, it seems that parts giving a model the appearance of a more recent facelift / a higher-end trim are a big no-no. Manufacturers are probably fine with players being able to turn a car into its older and cheaper self, but would be rather peeved at the implication that, say, all the difference between a Huracan and a Huracan Evo is a front bumper.

Of course, there are exceptions to this (the E46 M3 having access to the GTR's bumper comes to mind), but they are few and far in between.

Unlicensed customization vs licensed customization. I would say there would be a difference between a generic bodykit and something actually recognizable from the brand. Of course, only PG knows what agreements they have with Lamborghini.

It’s one thing to resemble, it’s another thing to 100% copy. Considering we don’t know either way I think both cards can be on the table. We’ve seen cars being able to use base trims of kits that aren’t offered on their higher end models, we’ve also seen generations of cars using the next generations kits as well, like the 1st gen RSX getting the bumperS from the completely redone RSX that no longer have the lumps on the headlight/taillights. It’s not unheard of.

What’s also not unheard of is having cars in trailers that aren’t in game.

 

[BlazeTheCat05]

The urge to build a diesel NA Miata Baja Basher is so strong right now.

 

[Populuxe]

The omission of Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia is especially frustrating considering we got Maserati. So it's not just a problem with the Italian brands of Stellantis (ugh, I hate that name). It's specifically a problem with those four brands. I'm going out on a branch and assuming it's one lawyer for those four brands feeling his oats, thinking he can get a better deal for his brands and not really caring about the damage he's doing to this game.

 

[willbsn13]

The omission of Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia is especially frustrating considering we got Maserati. So it's not just a problem with the Italian brands of Stellantis (ugh, I hate that name). It's specifically a problem with those four brands. I'm going out on a branch and assuming it's one lawyer for those four brands feeling his oats, thinking he can get a better deal for his brands and not really caring about the damage he's doing to this game.

This is true, but we should also note that Maserati's roster has been slaughtered (for lack of a better term) for FH5.

2014 Maserati Ghibli S
2004 Maserati MC12
1961 Maserati Tipo 61 Birdcage
1957 Maserati 300S
1953 Maserati A6GCS/53 Pininfarina Berlinetta
1939 Maserati 8CTF

Are all missing in FH5's list of Maseratis from FH4 (but yaaay we got a Forza Edition...I guess?). So even though Maserati were acquired, definitely some issues there for sure.

 

[Populuxe]

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The official car list was updated today. Some new additions:
2011 Audi RS 3 Sportback
2016 BMW M4 GTS
2019 DeBerti Design Toyota Tacoma TRD 'The Performance Truck'
2018 Ford Mustang GT
2010 Jaguar C-X75
1965 MINI Cooper S
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
2012 MINI John Cooper Works GP
2013 MINI X-Raid ALL4 Racing Countryman
2018 MINI John Cooper Works Countryman ALL4
2018 MINI X-Raid John Cooper Works Buggy

 

[TheAdmiester]

I'm too lazy to quote people across multiple pages, so apologies.

There's no explicit XJ220S listed, but as far as I'm aware the label in the XJ220S picture said XJ220 - pretty sure it's just a bodykit, which is fair enough.

No Huracan Evo listed either, but remember the Ghibli was in FH4's Buy Car tile from day 1, and that took almost a year to show up, so don't abandon hope yet.

 

[ClydeYellow]

The omission of Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia is especially frustrating considering we got Maserati. So it's not just a problem with the Italian brands of Stellantis (ugh, I hate that name). It's specifically a problem with those four brands. I'm going out on a branch and assuming it's one lawyer for those four brands feeling his oats, thinking he can get a better deal for his brands and not really caring about the damage he's doing to this game.

Actually, Maserati is not under the control of FCA Italy (which still exists as a Stellantis subsidiary) - it's a subsidiary of Stellantis. They even have separate offices in Modena, and their plant in Grugliasco is not part of FCA's supply system. Confusing, I know!

And we know Alfa Romeo is coming to Gran Turismo 7 - which is proof FCA Italy isn't pulling out of videogames a la Volkswagen, if anything. Most likely the two involved parties couldn't manage to finalize a licensing deal in time for the launch of the game - which is what happened with Mitsubishi back in the days of Forza Horizon 4.

Come to think of it, the situation of Mitsubishi then and FCA Italy now is somewhat similar - both companies were in the process of being absorbed into a larger group (some more willingly than others, I guess), with FCA having recently put its Turin offices and financial subsidiary pretty much up for sale.

If that's the case, there's hope that the parties involved haven't abandoned the negotiating table yet, and we may see a Fiat/Lancia/Alfa Romeo comeback in the form of a free car pack of Festival dripfeed.

There's no explicit XJ220S listed, but as far as I'm aware the label in the XJ220S picture said XJ220 - pretty sure it's just a bodykit, which is fair enough.

That's what I'm expecting too... But if the bodykit isn't there, the plot would thicken considerably.

P.S. a detail that would help clear this mystery out is wheels. Had that XJ220S been wearing the proper multi-piece racing rims, we would've been able to exclude with some measure of certainty that it was just a bodykit.

Alas, this is what we have to work with.

 

[EngieDiesel]

If that's the case, there's hope that the parties involved haven't abandoned the negotiating table yet, and we may see a Fiat/Lancia/Alfa Romeo comeback in the form of a free car pack of Festival dripfeed.

This seems most likely, especially since the Toyota and Mitsubishi additions in FH4 proved that it's a guaranteed way to get people to come back in when interest in the game starts waning. I highly doubt they're going to just throw up their hands and say "fine, forget it then".

 

[ClydeYellow]

This seems most likely, especially since the Toyota and Mitsubishi additions in FH4 proved that it's a guaranteed way to get people to come back in when interest in the game starts waning. I highly doubt they're going to just throw up their hands and say "fine, forget it then".

Oh, I don't doubt PGG's commitment to bringing any missing brand back into the game... But as they say, it takes two to tango. I'll keep my Lancia liveries ready for import, sure, but I'd rather avoid holding my breath, waiting for the day Fiats are back.

 

[-Fred-]

P.S. a detail that would help clear this mystery out is wheels. Had that XJ220S been wearing the proper multi-piece racing rims, we would've been able to exclude with some measure of certainty that it was just a bodykit.

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Alas, this is what we have to work with.

Another subtle clue would be the TWR window banner which is not present on the regular XJ220 and would lead me to believe that was an XJ220S that was prematurely featured.

 

[WanganDream]

The clue to solving the XJ220/XJ220S mystery is the wheels.

There were no mesh spoke wheels with such a design, at least not in the existing wheels up to FH4.
And I just watched a video the other day of all the wheels that will be added in FH5.
From this video I have taken a capture of all the mesh spoke wheels.
When compared to this list, it will be clear if this car is just a XJ220 with new body kit or if it is a new addition as the XJ220S.

*spoiler: list of all mesh spoke wheels added in FH5

Spoiler

It is clear that all the added mesh wheels are of a different design than the real XJ220S and even the XJ220 featured in the Forzathon Shop banner.
Therefore, I presume that this car is the XJ220S.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I'm not sure if anybody else already suggested or debunked this, but I think that XJ220S might just be a Forza Edition XJ220. Forza Edition cars seems to have unique design this time around, and we've already seen what CLK GTR's Forza Edition looks like, so I wouldn't be surprised if PG decided to pull off something similar with XJ220 as well.

It'd be nice to have properly licensed JX220S, but I think we should all be asking more important questions to ourselves: what color/livery are you going to put on it?

 

[drouid2]

I'm not sure if anybody else already suggested or debunked this, but I think that XJ220S might just be a Forza Edition XJ220. Forza Edition cars seems to have unique design this time around, and we've already seen what CLK GTR's Forza Edition looks like, so I wouldn't be surprised if PG decided to pull off something similar with XJ220 as well.

It'd be nice to have properly licensed JX220S, but I think we should all be asking more important questions to ourselves: what color/livery are you going to put on it?

no xj220 forza edition in fh5. some1 made a list of all known forza edition cars.

it was a forza edition in fm7. i dont think forza games ever had repeated forza edition cars in two separate games.

 

[Rob192005]

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[Rob192005]

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

no xj220 forza edition in fh5. some1 made a list of all known forza edition cars.

it was a forza edition in fm7. i dont think forza games ever had repeated forza edition cars in two separate games.

Shoot, I was way off the mark then.

 

[Kelpy D]

 

[WanganDream]

I too believe that the car that appears to be the XJ220S is not the XJ220 Forza Edition.
Certainly there were many Forza Edition cars with exclusive body kits.
However, the only car with exclusive wheels is FM7 850CSi FE, and the wheels on this car were a model appropriated from the #24 BMW TEAM RLL M6 GTLM.
Based on these assumptions, it is unlikely that they would make a completely new wheel for a single FE.

 

[Populuxe]

I deleted FM7 to make room on my original XBox One. FH5 is now downloading. 111.44 GB.