Forza Motorsport 3

[Jay]

Something I find odd is many people say the Graphics of Forza 3 looks as good or better than GT5... but can you provide me a screenie or video where the windows are not darked out and the interior just a silhouette (excluding interior view)?

I love watching replays (and the trailer) watching the driver (you) at work from a external view.

 

[Strittan]

Something I find odd is many people say the Graphics of Forza 3 looks as good or better than GT5...

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Perhaps someone who think Forza 3 looks better than GT5 could explain further?

I think even GT5P looks better than Forza 3 in every possible way however. I'm kind of unfair though, since I have only seen Forza 3 on screenshots and video.

 

[Joey D]

You can't make an accurate comparison of the graphic since neither game is out yet. I'm really starting to wonder if people magically got both games somehow and they can start comparing them. As far as I know both are still in their pre-production stages.

Forza 3 could be better than GT5 with its graphics, or it could be vice versa, I don't know and nor do any of the members here. Unless of course someone is holding out on us with some killer information. It's a wait and see game now. Once they both are out then we can start making comparisons between the two, although they will be heavily biased towards GT5 on this site no matter what the outcome actually is.

Based on what we've seen GT5 should have better graphics, but then again PD has been working on the game quite a bit longer than Turn 10.

 

[snake900]

Forza 3 is 720p. GT5 is 1080p. So it's going to be harder for GT5 to have better graphics. GT5 cars look nicer, F3 environments look nicer.

 

[WolfRacer543]

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Perhaps someone who think Forza 3 looks better than GT5 could explain further?

I can only really compare Forza 3 to GT5P. But the in car textures look sharper in Forza, GT5P ones are awesome, but looking at the E3 snaps next to a GT5P interior shot, the GT5P ones look muddier, also the shadows are blocky where the Forza 3 shadows are sharp.

Forza 3 does have areas of muddy textures on the tracks, but so does GT5P, overall Forza has a lot of detail and things in the distance look quite nice in Forza 3. Also Forza 3 seems to make decent use of HDR (it doesn't over do the HDR like GRID, which I found ugly, but it does use subtle HDR to enchance lighting and colors).

I also like the look of the track surface in Forza a bit more. Not saying its more realistic or anything, but I just prefer the look of it.

Of course, when the actual games come out and I can see them with my own eyes, things may change Both games are beautiful and when I'm actually racing I doubt I'll notice a major difference.

Something I find odd is many people say the Graphics of Forza 3 looks as good or better than GT5... but can you provide me a screenie or video where the windows are not darked out and the interior just a silhouette (excluding interior view)?

I love watching replays (and the trailer) watching the driver (you) at work from a external view.

You mean like this?

 

[KSaiyu]

Personally I think about 12 cars is the sweet spot as far as a compromise between performance and fun racing is concerned. Even in PC racing sims, its rare for a grid of more than 12 cars to make it through the 1st corner without someone screwing up and taking out half the field.

Yeah, 10 for me is the absolute minimum nowadays - Forza having half the number of cars on track than GT5 is pretty poor no matter how you look at it.

 

[Jay]

You mean like this?

Not really, thats a low quality helmet and and a outline of seats.

I was thinking more like this GT5P pic:

nice factory looking green window tint and interior details, not a silhouette of seats and a vague helmet.

I don't mean to "Bash" Forza 3, it is a huge improvement over Forza 2, but GT5P and I assume GT5 has a lot more detail than some people seem to realise. (note even the wiperblades have the warmer elements modelled)

 

[Stevisiov]

I am glad you provided the two, I hadn't realised just how big the difference really is in detail.

GT5P looks better than I remember it.

 

[Tenacious D]

He said that T10 was being cocky and arrogant, which PD is doing by the way they have been handling GT5 PR wise(We will release it when we want is like a slap in the face to fans)

Polyphony Digital isn't releasing anything, SONY is. SONY is the publisher, and they decide when something is released. You could say that SONY is an arrogant company, but I wish to Heaven that Ms was cocky like SONY.

You have obviously missed something focal in this whole drama. Kazunori has said for years now when discussing GT Mobile that he would release it after GT5. Now all of a sudden, out of the blue, GT Mobile is in the finishing stages and will be out within months. So, what happened? SONY announced their new handheld, and needed some killer apps to make it desirable. It's blatantly obvious to me that SONY leaned on Kaz to get GT Mobile ready ASAP.

Killzone 2 was in development for four years. So was Metal Gear Solid 4. No one to my knowledge has ever accused a developer of being arrogant to make their game the best it could be. Well, till now. You have a right to your opinion, but you're wrong.

By the way, the Forza 3 screengrabs use a higher detail-resolution image than the replays, which shouldn't be surprising. GT4 was the same way, and more than likely, so will GT5. But the backdrops in the Forza demos remind me of Half Life 2, a very good looking PC game. I doubt Turn 10 will be doing much better, considering the game is just a few months from release.

And I hope the truck tire noises from Forza 2 are just placeholders... yuck. I got sick of that pretty quick.

 

[Gabkicks]

is that pic of the subaru a realtime gameplay pic? or a photomode pic?

 

[Stevisiov]

is that pic of the subaru a realtime gameplay pic? or a photomode pic?

That is a gameplay pic.

All 16 cars on track have that detail interior rendered when in view.

 

[WolfRacer543]

Not really, thats a low quality helmet and and a outline of seats.

True, but its still got a few things going for it. Check out this shot...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3309863174_9182917cb0_o.png[img]

Even though Forza has a few muddy textures of the grass near the camera, as you get further away Forza doesn't decrease the quality of its textures much, and so the environment as a whole looks quite sharp and detailed. Also the trees, rocks and general details on the environment looks quite nice. GT5P on the other hand (I lifted the image off an image quality thread on GTPlanet) looks quite sharp close to the car, but into the distance textures quickly become muddy.

One other thing about GT5P, the environment detail for the most part is lower than the car detail. To me this makes the cars look noticably out of place on the track. Like someone took a picture of a track, then took a picture of a car, and pasted the two together, rather than them both being from the same image. From the few videos of Forza 3 I've seen, the lighting, filters and overall detail level of cars and tracks seems to be more natural.

Its kinda like Crysis, everyone said it has awesome graphics, and it does, but what's the point when random rocks and grass look hideous and totally out of place.

I'm not really saying Forza 3 looks nicer than GT5, I'm just playing devil's advocate given the fact we can't tell until the games actually come out and we can look at them in all their glory. Lighting and filters play a huge part in graphics, and often you dont notice them as much until you yourself are playing them.

Also, I dont give a damn about "replay" graphics, which are often rendered in better quality than the actual race. To me the only thing that's important is actual race graphics, for every hour I spend racing I'll spend less than 5 minutes looking at replays or "photomode". If the videos I've seen of Forza 3 are truely race graphics and not just replay graphics, I'm pretty impressed still.

 

[Moglet]

is that pic of the subaru a realtime gameplay pic? or a photomode pic?

It's a photo taken from a replay. If it were Photomode, I'm guessing the driver would be missing. Unless you mean Photodrive, in which case that's the same thing as in a race.

 

[Joey D]

One thing I don't like based on that screen shot WolfRacer posted is that the back of that R8 looks like it's matte instead of gloss. Also those rocks have some hella light bloom going on, rocks don't typically reflect like that. Hopefully they do something about the lighting before it comes out, but it's a next gen console and developers love them some light bloom.

Seems a lot of people over the internet have been saying even though Forza looks awesome it still looks like a game. I don't understand that to be honest. I can tell GT5 is a game over real life, as most games. Yes Forza looks like a video game, probably because it is.

 

[Gabkicks]

well, maybe GT5 looks more realistic w/ the lighting/textures/modeling? Anyone have pics to show otherwise?

 

[PAPPACLART]

At heart I am a GT fan, and have played since 98. I have Forza 2 but no Xbox as I use my Flatmates one. Forza 2 is great and has some good features and nice car engine sounds of which is very important to me! I still am not even close to completting the game as I kinda lost interest, as when I modded my GOLF it became unrealistically fast and almost too easy to drive which kind of showed the lack of depth in the FORZA 2 physics engine. I am hoping the Forza 3 moves forward like the GT series has doen over the years.

I am just glad that we have 2 awsome games on the horizon and will get both.

 

[joe8]

Some new images of FM3:

http://www.forzacentral.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=143

Details:

 

[Tenacious D]

Seems a lot of people over the internet have been saying even though Forza looks awesome it still looks like a game. I don't understand that to be honest. I can tell GT5 is a game over real life, as most games.

Maybe because you have to look closer at images of Prologue.

Graphics wise, FM3 doesn't have anything to worry about, except maybe screengrab wars. It's looking right now to have the potential of best graphics on the 360, as GT5 does for PS3. Forza 2 looks good, and Forza 3 looks better, and that's nothing to complain about. What I'm concerned about is the feel and details.

• Will there be a wide selection of courses, or will half of them be variations of that darn Test Track?
• Will all the cars oversteer?
• Will they resample the tire sounds, or use the same deflated Buick tire samples that made a Miata sound like a truck?
• Will the driver views be better?
• Will it melt my 360? Seriously. GT4 caused a few PS2s to fail.
• Can I have as many cars in my garage as I want? And replays?
• Will replays finally look good?
• Will the bugs be ironed out before release, or will it have to be as patched as FM2?

Get those right, and I'll be a happy racer till GT5 comes out.

 

[holt_allen]

Seems to be an awful lot of bickering over two games that from my perspective look awfully similar. Seriously, both games car models look almost identical and I do not see either one having an advantage over the other, which makes sense given the fact that the technical capabilities of each console are so close. From the footage we have so far, it is impossible to make comparisons between their environments, but its not hard to see from Gran Turismo 5P's city tracks and the Forza test track that both are going to have very beautiful environments. Both games look great, end of story.

Personally, I am just astonished at the detail jump between Forza 2 and Forza 3. Before the E3 reveal I was wondering what Turn 10 was going to do to overcome the detail gap between them and Gran Turismo 5, particularly in terms of car detail, but I would have never imagined they would have been able to produce models of the same quality that we find in GT5. Very impressive stuff Turn 10!

 

[JohnBM01]

So this course is called the Ladera test track (which I'm assuming is probably Italian)? There's also Montserrat. Cool looking courses.

 

[G.T.Ace]

is that pic of the subaru a realtime gameplay pic? or a photomode pic?

Theres no photomode in GT5P, yes the game looks like this.

but I would have never imagined they would have been able to produce models of the same quality that we find in GT5

Well, they didnt.
By the way, in Forza 3, replays will have better graphics then the game itself (mentioned in a dev interview i saw on Gametrailers), so every shot you see provided from a reply, is better quality than what you see while driving (i know, some people say that too about GT5P but the only thng added to the replays is motion blur, the rest looks the same).

 

[Moglet]

Some new images of FM3:

Nice attention to detail there, would love to see the same image from GT5 though.

 

[holt_allen]

Theres no photomode in GT5P, yes the game looks like this.


Well, they didnt.
By the way, in Forza 3, replays will have better graphics then the game itself (mentioned in a dev interview i saw on Gametrailers), so every shot you see provided from a reply, is better quality than what you see while driving (i know, some people say that too about GT5P but the only thng added to the replays is motion blur, the rest looks the same).

Really? I do not see any significant difference between the two games in terms of model quality. Also, from looking at the off screen footage and the photo-mode screens there seems to be no difference between the in-game model and the model displayed in photo-mode.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4774/mf38.jpg
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/granturismo5prologue/images/0/155/?full_size=1

Yeah, they do not match in quality?

 

[Moglet]

Why did Turn 10 decide not to model the headlight washers do you think? Seems a very bizarre thing to miss out.

 

[G.T.Ace]

No they dont match, way moe edges in Forza, not the same interieur detail when you look from the outside (not so visible there because of the reflections in the windows on the GT5P shot) plus that the cars in Forza still have that candy/comic look through the colors.

Both shots are touched up though, anti aliasing is too high in both screens.

Dont get me wrong, both games are great, Forza 3 looks a lot better than Forza 2 (would be a shame if not since Forza 2 looked pretty weak), but GT5P looks better, in every way except the LOD maybe and dont forget that GT5P runs in 1080p (yeah i know upscaled but still 1280x1080) and we dont know if GT5 will look even better (according to the E3 trailer it does).

EDIT: Oh and 16 cars on track in GT5P vs. 8 in Forza 3.
Forza 3 has damage but GT5 will have it too (yes this is important when you compare the graphics im not talking about the feature itself).

 

[Gabkicks]

I like the lighting and road textures in GT5 more than Forza 3 sofar, but both games look great.

I want to get a proper HDTV now... i've got a big old one that does 1080i

 

[G.T.Ace]

Wait till LED TVs get cheaper, but i wont get too off topic now. lol

 

[T5-R]

If that damage is CGI, it will be the first time PD uses it since the GT4 intro...

The reason I mentioned it was pre GT4 I remember a video of a rally car with more realistic spectators and various people insisted it was all ingame only for it to become part of the intro for GT4 I believe. That and the talk of cars being able to drive off cliffs in the rally stages... But no I doubt PD would show it even if it was CGI if it wasn't to be included in the game.

Well, my guess is that they have worked on Forza 3 for many years. Forza 2 doesn't look much different from the first Forza in my opinion (allthough it looks much better of course, but far from amazing). I think they threw together Forza 2 pretty quick just to earn money, and I believe they worked on Forza 3 and Forza 2 at the same time. I may be wrong though!

Yeah Forza 2 did seem a little rushed but the game was still quality none the less. There were too few tracks and several features were missing from Forza 1. I did find it comical though when my younger brother pointed out that the prize cars were mostly identicle to those in Forza 1! That and some of the cars blatently have lower resolution textures, presumably also from Forza 1.

But yes Forza 3 and GT5. Gonna be good

 

[holt_allen]

No they dont match, way moe edges in Forza...

lol... whatever you say!

not the same interieur detail when you look from the outside

http://www.forzacentral.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=19888&c=143
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1277/mf32.jpg

Really?

You seem a bit unreasonable, because there is clearly no real visible difference between the models in the screens I posted. I do not know why its so hard for you to accept that, but whatever. As I said earlier, in terms of models both games look identical in terms of detail.

 

[G.T.Ace]

No they dont, i dont need to "accept" anything, the cars in Forza dont look as good as the cars in GT, theyre close, but not on par. I wish we would have better comparison shots, so i could explain you the details more, but i will also leave it here, because it doesnt make sense to discuss with you it seems.