Forza Motorsport 6: Apex (PC) Discussion

[super_gt]

I just don't get the thinking. How on earth does a game being available on multiple platforms affect your experience in anyway at all?

They just jealous that PC gamers will be able to enjoy of better graphics.

 

[Tornado]

the first thing you quoted is about GFWL and the second is about Origin.

The first thing I quoted was your response to a member talking about about Origin's various controversies since launch. The second was your original response to that same member dismissing problems people had with Origin because it worked fine for you.



Stop lecturing people if you're not actually going to read what they are saying.

 

[Imari]

It's not about controlling "your" PC it's about their ability to control the platform that is the Windows 10 store, just like Steam has control over the Steam store.

And they need apps and UWP for this why? Why can't they sell me a normal install?

How Steam & Windows 10 handle DRM:

1) You sign in (For Steam this happens on startup of the software and for Windows 10 you are normally always logged into your Microsoft account when using your PC.)

2) You play the game with no extra steps.

How GFWL handled DRM:

1) You start the game and you're prompted to log in when the game loads(This forces you to use the overlay which is optional with W10 Store and Steam.)

2) You get to play them game unless you're not able to log in and then you are not allowed to save your game.

Honestly, how do you guys think it works?

For one, Steam isn't packaging the entire app such that I can't have other applications work with it. Having it run in their weird little sandbox is part of their DRM, and it's a problem.

For two, Steam works just fine offline (for the most part) and I believe Win10 apps can as well. So you're missing something there.

How about a support system that actually works and doesn't take a month to respond?

Sounds great. Does the Win10 store have that?

Origin did what it was built to do on day one; it let you buy, redeem and play your games.

And SecuROM let you register and play your games. It was still :censored:ing awful.

Apparently you had no issues with Origin and the way it was run, so good for you. Can you at least understand that out of all the other people on the planet who tried to use it, there was a lot of us that had issues?

UPlay was much the same, even though it also technically worked and allowed you to play games.

 

[AudiMan2011]

I honestly don't understand why so many are thinking in this selfish way. The day exclusivity dies is the day gaming gets a whole lot better.

IMO, the day exclusivity dies will be the day console gaming dies. That's why big name titles like GT, Uncharted, Mario Kart and Splatoon won't be on all platforms for a very long time.

I just don't get the thinking. How on earth does a game being available on multiple platforms affect your experience in anyway at all?

It's likely more a psychological thing where console gamers and PC gamers just hate each other.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

IMO, the day exclusivity dies will be the day console gaming dies.

Why? Why do you think do you think people will flock to the more expensive and complicated option just like that?

 

[FoRiZon]

Do anyone realize that Windows PC and XBone are basically owned by same company?

I have that mental image where PC and XBone (vocal minorities) fans are fighting each other while Microsoft just take their profit from both sides and watch them fight over nothing.

 

[Tornado]

IMO, the day exclusivity dies will be the day console gaming dies.

Console gaming (and gaming in general, really) is far more entrenched and popular now than it was in the 1980s and 1990s, and barely anything was completely exclusive then. In the 1980s Nintendo and Sega and Atari weren't even particularly bothered if the version of their game you bought was the one for their console (though they ideally tried to make their version the best anyway).

The fact of the matter is that games just do not sell as well on PC as they do on consoles. There are certainly outliers (PC games that originally took off as Shareware, for example; or indie stuff), and genres that have never sold well on consoles but flourish on PCs, but publishers wouldn't fight so hard to get console ports of games if most of the money to be made was solely in keeping them PC exclusive.

 

[bremics]

And modest!

...Surprising move truth be told, I do believe that going a down a F2P route could be 'testing the water' for a full FM7 PC release or some sort of PC exclusive title perhaps in a similar vein to pCARS and such like.

A typo, but not inaccurate.

Although it has been 6 years since I've been mistaken for a girl.

 

[VXR]

You'd be unlikely to see any Sony franchise on PC now considering Sony don't even make PCs anymore.

 

[FordGTGuy]

The first thing I quoted was your response to a member talking about about Origin's various controversies since launch. The second was your original response to that same member dismissing problems people had with Origin because it worked fine for you.



Stop lecturing people if you're not actually going to read what they are saying.

Actually it was a mistake because we were talking about two different things at once, I thought he was referring to my comment here:

Games had their problems but the main reason was the pay subscription that it started off with.

I played Dirt 3, Bioshock, Battlestations, Age of Empire and GTA IV with little issue.

So instead of being mature about it you jumped on the:

Anything else?

Higher than thou response.

And they need apps and UWP for this why? Why can't they sell me a normal install?

They don't and I never said they did, in fact I think they should move away from UWP too.

For one, Steam isn't packaging the entire app such that I can't have other applications work with it. Having it run in their weird little sandbox is part of their DRM, and it's a problem.

For two, Steam works just fine offline (for the most part) and I believe Win10 apps can as well. So you're missing something there.

The packaging isn't part of DRM but instead part of their distribution method and no I don't agree with it.

I didn't feel the need to add that the DRM works offline as it was about how intrusive the DRM was.

Sounds great. Does the Win10 store have that?

It's called Microsoft support and the answer is yes.

And SecuROM let you register and play your games. It was still :censored:ing awful.

Apparently you had no issues with Origin and the way it was run, so good for you. Can you at least understand that out of all the other people on the planet who tried to use it, there was a lot of us that had issues?

UPlay was much the same, even though it also technically worked and allowed you to play games.

Are you honestly comparing Origin to UPlay and SecuROM?

SecuROM was more DRM added on top of the store DRM already in place.

UPlay was also DRM added on top of the store DRM already in place.

Origin is a store with store DRM just like Steam.

 

[NLxAROSA]

So, how long do you guys think it will take for MS to ditch gaming hardware (Xbox) altogether and become a software only company, selling the Windows gaming platform as an embedded thing via companies like Alienware, Razer, etc.? AFAIK, hardware is already losing them a fair deal of money and the opposite is true for software, so it seems logical.

 

[Myles Prower]

AFAIK, hardware is already losing them a fair deal of money and the opposite is true for software, so it seems logical.

The X1 and especially the PS4 are making a lot of money

Do anyone realize that Windows PC and XBone are basically owned by same company?

Going even deeper they are actually coming to be the same thing

 

[NLxAROSA]

The X1 and especially the PS4 are making a lot of money

I know the division is making a lot of money, but I thought I read that was mostly due to XBL transactions and 1st party software? But I could be wrong on this ofcourse.

Going even deeper they are actually coming to be the same thing

Another scenario I find very plausible.

 

[warp9engage]

Not trying to stir up anything but I just remembered the time I gave 45 euros for a game with around 70 cars and 6 tracks, back in 2008... suddenly, I can't help but see Turn 10 in a rather generous light.

 

[FordGTGuy]

So, how long do you guys think it will take for MS to ditch gaming hardware (Xbox) altogether and become a software only company, selling the Windows gaming platform as an embedded thing via companies like Alienware, Razer, etc.? AFAIK, hardware is already losing them a fair deal of money and the opposite is true for software, so it seems logical.

Microsoft Surface is doing way too well for it to stop, they are mostly a software company but they are going to continue to build hardware into the future. I could see them continue to release their own mini-PC console type things going into the future.

 

[Harry6784]

Why? Why do you think do you think people will flock to the more expensive and complicated option just like that?

Hardware upgradability, MODS, backwards compatibility, emulation, MODS, Steam, 4k, multiple monitor gaming, MODS, VR, better hardware support, overclocking, mouse navigation, MODS...


I really wanted to get an Xbox for no other reason than Forza, but with my G27 not being supported, there was no way I was going back to using a controller. There are a significant number of users on here who paid less than $300 for their copy of GT6 and a PS3 yet spend over twice that on a wheel, TV, seat and other hardware. Cost isn't the reason they're not switching, console exclusivity is.

 

[GranTurismo guy]

Cost isn't the reason they're not switching, console exclusivity is.

Can you explain, then, why there are so many multi platform games that have sold better on console platforms than PC?

 

[Harry6784]

Can you explain, then, why there are so many multi platform games that have sold better on console platforms than PC?

Simple. There are nearly three times more console gamers than PC gamers. No surprise Microsoft is treading lightly into the PC gaming realm, there's too much money to lose when they already have a tight grip on console gaming.

 

[TonyJZX]

By 'tight' you mean tenuous with a distant 2nd place often by 2:1 margin and as bad as 10:1 in some areas of unimportance like western europe.

Its obvious they dont want to lose more by promoting something that may be a competitor.

Putting more crap on PC isnt likely to hurt Sony, its just going to hurt themselves.

 

[TiZzla]

I was excited when I read about this until I saw it's not a real game, it's a "free to play" game which usually means you have to buy stuff individually right? Will keep my eye on it anyway, was really hoping for a full Forza 6 port...

 

[urmie]

Well this would end the resolution topics from the Sony fanboys over at the many other gaming forums. I see this "option" as the ultimate Xbox. The console will remain the "high" quality version in terms of graphics and the Xbox on PC as the "ultra". I see it as a win-win scenario.

 

[Imari]

Hardware upgradability, MODS, backwards compatibility, emulation, MODS, Steam, 4k, multiple monitor gaming, MODS, VR, better hardware support, overclocking, mouse navigation, MODS...

The problem is that there's also lots of users who don't want to spend lots on a computer (even though technically you don't have to) and just want something that works without having to fiddle with it. That's a console.

I'm quite happy to buy parts on the cheap and tinker with drivers and settings and overclocks all day to have the best experience, but even among my PC gaming friends it's a rarity. Most of them just bought a powerful box off the shelf and never fiddled with it again until it broke, at which point they took it back to the shop. Which means it might as well be an expensive console.

Even in this day and age most people are not that tech savvy. They just want to play games, and consoles let them do that with the minimum effort and fuss.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Free to play will probably end up having obnoxious microtransactions (as if the XB1 game doesn't already).

Cut down content on par with AC...I think I'll just play AC with better physics and mods thanks.

No wheel support. I have no words.

Shame they could really run away with the PC racing segment if they ported the full game properly. As it is it just serves as an advertising tool for the actual Forza on XB1. Oh well, back to square one. Can't lose what you never had.

 

[mrPetros]

Free to play will probably end up having obnoxious microtransactions (as if the XB1 game doesn't already).
....
Oh well, back to square one. Can't lose what you never had.

lol for the bold
I agree on the last part, I am sure that even with the full game ported, lots of people would still write just like you are.

 

[Myles Prower]

Free to play will probably end up having obnoxious microtransactions (as if the XB1 game doesn't already).


No wheel support. I have no words.

Shame they could really run away with the PC racing segment if they ported the full game properly. As it is it just serves as an advertising tool for the actual Forza on XB1. Oh well, back to square one. Can't lose what you never had.

As posted maybe about 10-20 times this game has no microtransactions and is a test/benchmark of DX12 and WUA, sort of like GT5 prologue but without the $40 fee.
Worth pointing out that at that current time there is currently no wheel support given that 1. the lack of time 2. The fact that no game has required a WUA for a racing wheel yet, given that KI which is releasing on the windows store is getting fight stick support by release it is very likely that Apex will have wheel support by time of release which is still unknown.
Also I'm tempted to know which MS games have obnoxious microtransactions, because if you bring up Halo 5 I haven't payed a penny and am enjoying my free DLC

 

[GTvsForza]

Didn't really know where to put this:


Could be for Apex or Horizon 3...

 

[ProjectWHaT]

It's says Forza Motorsport 6 on the thumbnail.

 

[GTvsForza]

It's says Forza Motorsport 6 on the thumbnail.

But in the title it says for the NEXT Forza game.

 

[AudiMan2011]

It's says Forza Motorsport 6 on the thumbnail.

The video was made in Forza 6. The Centenario at the end will almost certainly be in Horizon 3 since it'll be the cover car. It said in "the next all-new Forza game" at the end.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's confirming Horizon 3 in all but the name. "All-new" means Apex doesn't count, and if they're showing it again at E3 in June, it's a little late for Apex's spring launch.