Forza Motorsport 7: General Discussion

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When I log on to Forzamotorsport.net I always get a message saying there was a problem connecting to my Xbox live account. A Permissions thing? where do I change that so it is synched up?
 
More base game content partially locked behind the Gold paywall and now we can also add retweets into the equation (VL Commodore). Keep the classy moves coming Turn 10. 👍

You'd have more of a point if the retweeting ends up being the only way to put the VL in your garage.

And more still if a retweet had actually been required. It wasn't; I know I didn't actually do it, but the car was sent to my game all the same.
 
When I log on to Forzamotorsport.net I always get a message saying there was a problem connecting to my Xbox live account. A Permissions thing? where do I change that so it is synched up?
It’s a forum issue, happens fairly often. Best just wait it out if you’re trying to do something that requires being logged in.
 
You'd have more of a point if the retweeting ends up being the only way to put the VL in your garage.

All the Leagues and Bounty Hunter reward cars in FM7 hopefully will not remain forever locked behind one time only events. There were a few different ways to obtain the unicorns in FM6 and I also believe the Ferrari 599XX required Gold subscription the first time it was offered in FH3, but eventually it became obtainable without this requirement. Same story for some other cars. However, the common trait for the exclusive reward cars in both FM6 and FH3 were that they were all DLC. So from this perspective it would be quite outrageous if FM7 doesn't approach things in a similar manner because here we are not talking about DLC.

Regardless, it just doesn't change the opinion that it's annoying to own a game wherein a large portion of the vanilla cars cannot be obtained until several months have passed, and even then there are no guarantees because one might not be around every week of the year, lack the skill to beat the bounty's lap time, Gold subscription might not be a justifiable option for everyone, and Twitter has no good reason interfere with the content in people's video games. Again, these aren't DLC cars. It's like Turn 10 suddenly wants to annoy everyone to the point where public opinion holds a grudge against them. You GTP guys should consider writing an article about this controversy if you haven't already.

And more still if a retweet had actually been required. It wasn't; I know I didn't actually do it, but the car was sent to my game all the same.

More of a point? Perhaps, but it hardly needs more weight when you consider everything I just said above. How did you get the Commodore then?
 
The quest was considered complete the second you clicked on a T10 tweet from the right part of the stream. I don’t even have a twitter account and managed to complete it.
 
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More of a point? Perhaps, but it hardly needs more weight when you consider everything I just said above. How did you get the Commodore then?

You didn't have to actually retweet, just click on the quest. That's what I did and got the car just fine.
 
All the Leagues and Bounty Hunter reward cars in FM7 hopefully will not remain forever locked behind one time only events. There were a few different ways to obtain the unicorns in FM6 and I also believe the Ferrari 599XX required Gold subscription the first time it was offered in FH3, but eventually it became obtainable without this requirement. Same story for some other cars. However, the common trait for the exclusive reward cars in both FM6 and FH3 were that they were all DLC. So from this perspective it would be quite outrageous if FM7 doesn't approach things in a similar manner because here we are not talking about DLC.

Regardless, it just doesn't change the opinion that it's annoying to own a game wherein a large portion of the vanilla cars cannot be obtained until several months have passed, and even then there are no guarantees because one might not be around every week of the year, lack the skill to beat the bounty's lap time, Gold subscription might not be a justifiable option for everyone, and Twitter has no good reason interfere with the content in people's video games.

How many of the cars in FM7 can you drive at any point in time in stock form? How many can you own in your personal garage? Note these are two very different questions.

I'm not a huge fan of the sheer number of Unicorns in FM7. T10 seemingly tried something different, an approach it thought would cultivate consistent long-term player interaction, and it didn't pan out. I'd be very surprised if it does it again.

But the only difference here compared to other games in the genre in the past is that we don't know when these cars can be won. In previous GTs and FMs, there were cars that could only be claimed by beating a certain race. Not talented enough? You never got them.

The number of cars you can drive in PCARS2 right off the bat? All of them. Assetto Corsa? All of them. GT Sport? Eight, not counting whatever seat time you get in cars via license tests. And the only way to even drive most of the game's lineup is to save credits and buy them; that's something like 40+ hours all in last I checked (and only if you do it the most credit-efficient way).

A sense of progression (as these are still games after all) is a balancing act. Though I'd wager that, statistically, someone who can't be bothered to load up the game once a week is probably not the type of person itching to own every car in the game, and that said type of person is probably not the majority of players.

Again, these aren't DLC cars. It's like Turn 10 suddenly wants to annoy everyone to the point where public opinion holds a grudge against them. You GTP guys should consider writing an article about this controversy if you haven't already.

What, an article on someone thinking a company wants to turn public opinion against itself?

We covered it in our review. Much like still whinging about the lack of Toyota months after release, I believe some people over-inflate personal issues and project them onto the entire community.

Of the handful of friends I know who care about Forza, I grilled them about this mass-Unicorn situation. To my surprise, they liked it, each and every one. They said they loved having those exclusive cars to show off, and would make extra effort to snag them at every opportunity. I personally don't get it, but hey.

I should add that we're right around the six month mark for the Big Three, and will be revisiting them to see how they've progressed. The Unicorn situation is certainly one of the more visible aspects of FM7.

More of a point? Perhaps, but it hardly needs more weight when you consider everything I just said above. How did you get the Commodore then?

Like @Northstar said. It was really easy to click around and snap it up.

As an aside, this isn't "Twitter interfering", either; this is Turn 10 making a conscious decision to award players for boosting ForzaRC's social media footprint (even if some people figured out a workaround :P). It's decent business sense; a lot of the chat involved people talking about hitting the quest goals.
 
I wasn't around for the livestream, so I thought I was SOL. But it turns out I can still claim the prizes by watching the replay of the livestream on watch.forzarc.com
 
How many of the cars in FM7 can you drive at any point in time in stock form? How many can you own in your personal garage? Note these are two very different questions.

I don't care a whole lot about the rentable cars. Ironically enough I do keep all of the cars in my garage very close to stock form unless I need to homologate them for something, but there's just something very nice about browsing through the personal collection with the cars presented in color of choice and enjoy the occasional set of custom rims fitted onto them.

I'm currently at 341 collected cars and I'm nowhere near finished collecting the ones I want from the dealerships and career progression. So why make a fuss out of the handful of exclusive cars I missed and still await to unlock? Because some of them are personal favorites which I could collect just fine in previous games. Upgrading to FM7 often feels like a trade-off, which is wrong when you purchased the most expensive editions of the previous games.

I'm not a huge fan of the sheer number of Unicorns in FM7. T10 seemingly tried something different, an approach it thought would cultivate consistent long-term player interaction, and it didn't pan out. I'd be very surprised if it does it again.

At this point I'm honestly not sure what Turn 10 will do next in case Playground Games announces a new game for the final quarter of 2018. These annual and ever growing games are putting an increasing pressure on the developers every time. I believe this is part of the problem with FM7. So much to do in a hurry and attempts to rethink things may have gotten a little out of hand. Still I'm not sure they have learned from the locked cars nonsense because they clearly still try to use the unicorns as bait in all kinds of ways.

But the only difference here compared to other games in the genre in the past is that we don't know when these cars can be won. In previous GTs and FMs, there were cars that could only be claimed by beating a certain race. Not talented enough? You never got them.

Another difference is that many of the locked cars in FM7 are only available in relatively short windows. Miss out on some unicorn and you can only pray it will become available again, especially now that the Auction House doesn't capitalize on their exclusivity. At least games of the past allowed locked content to be unlocked at people's own convenience.

What, an article on someone thinking a company wants to turn public opinion against itself?

No, that would be hilarious. I meant an article questioning the ways in which developers should approach accessibility to vanilla content. Turn 10 can defend themselves with the rentable cars, but there's no denying that the bread and butter of Forza is collecting and customizing cars. The on-disc cars locked behind community events and sometimes Gold subscription is an unprecedented and controversial move in the genre. Have they defined a precedent for other games in terms of what is fair practice? Create awareness of the problems it arguably presents and provoke a debate.

We covered it in our review. Much like still whinging about the lack of Toyota months after release, I believe some people over-inflate personal issues and project them onto the entire community.

Of the handful of friends I know who care about Forza, I grilled them about this mass-Unicorn situation. To my surprise, they liked it, each and every one. They said they loved having those exclusive cars to show off, and would make extra effort to snag them at every opportunity. I personally don't get it, but hey.

I should add that we're right around the six month mark for the Big Three, and will be revisiting them to see how they've progressed. The Unicorn situation is certainly one of the more visible aspects of FM7.

Ok, fair enough, but voices need to be raised in case FH4 (or whatever it will be called) continues down the odd road FM7 has started regarding locked content.

Like @Northstar said. It was really easy to click around and snap it up.

The quest was considered complete the second you clicked on a T10 tweet from the right part of the stream. I don’t even have a twitter account and managed to complete it.

You didn't have to actually retweet, just click on the quest. That's what I did and got the car just fine.

Ok, I must have overlooked part of the instructions.

I wasn't around for the livestream, so I thought I was SOL. But it turns out I can still claim the prizes by watching the replay of the livestream on watch.forzarc.com

What do we have to do exactly?
 
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What do we have to do exactly?
I need to correct myself. It looks like you can only earn the first two prizes, the other three require watching the livestream from Saturday, and it's not available, even as a rerun. First go to watch.forzarc.com. To get the first prize, a '69 Ford Mustang Boss 302 FE with the Year of the Dog livery, all you have to do is log in with your Microsoft account, and it will give it to you automatically. To get the second prize, the ‘88 Holden VL Commodore Group A SV, go to their Twitter feed (you'll see the Twitter icon near the bottom right corner). Hit the retweet button on any of the ForzaRC tweets, and it will award you the Holden. Now, having said all that, I haven't actually received my cars yet. It says I successfully completed the quests and I've been awarded the cars, but nothing has shown up in game yet.
 
To get the second prize, the ‘88 Holden VL Commodore Group A SV, go to their Twitter feed (you'll see the Twitter icon near the bottom right corner). Hit the retweet button on any of the ForzaRC tweets, and it will award you the Holden. Now, having said all that, I haven't actually received my cars yet. It says I successfully completed the quests and I've been awarded the cars, but nothing has shown up in game yet.

I'm on Forza's Twitter page now and pressing the retweet icon on @ForzaRC leads me to a log in screen (having no account myself), but @Northstar said he completed the quest despite not having Twitter. How does Turn 10 identify the connection between clicks and FM7 accounts?
 
I'm on Forza's Twitter page now and pressing the retweet icon on @ForzaRC leads me to a log in screen (having no account myself), but @Northstar said he completed the quest despite not having Twitter. How does Turn 10 identify the connection between clicks and FM7 accounts?
You can't do it from Forza's Twitter page. You have to do it from watch.forzarc.com. Once you're logged in there with your MS account, you can click on the Twitter icon in the bottom right corner and you'll see several Forza tweets on the right of the screen. You can click on the retweet button (it's two arrows making a circle) and it will give you the car without even actually retweeting the message.
 
Ok, the actual terms are worse than posting a retweet. No VL Commodore for me. 👎

My initial rant was pretty much right on point after all.
 
Ok, the actual terms are worse than posting a retweet. No VL Commodore for me. 👎

My initial rant was pretty much right on point after all.

Oh, we know, considering how many times you've turned back to it since Forza 7 released.
 

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Exactly.

Look, one can absolutely disagree with how T10 has handled practically anything regarding post launch content with regards to Forza 7, especially `the Specialty Dealer and how they handle unicorn cars. I myself sold my copy of the game after we got three (THREE!) straight cycles of repeats. They have bungled this issue time and time again, and have shown themselves that they are stretching themselves too thin.

But you, Nielsen, have been a broken record, time and time ago, pulling out stuff that frankly serves no purpose in complaining, and feels like complaining for complaining's sake. Granted, I am guilty of this as well, I will come clean. However you have complained, by my standards, about the fact that you need to retweet something on Twitter, on a stream, when you don't even need Twitter to do it. You have complained about the fact that you need Gold in order to do some of the challenges, which has been present since at least Horizon 3, and yeah, it sucks for those who don't have Gold, but by this point, those who don't have Gold are so infinitely small compared to even in the 360 era that it shouldn't be bothered anymore.

Frankly, you have been a broken record for months. Certainly, since I started posting here regularly when I bought my Xbox One with Horizon 3 nearly a year ago. Maybe by now, you should stop playing Forza Motorsport or even Horizon if it's causing you this much grief that you're complaining about it incessantly?
 
But you, Nielsen, have been a broken record, time and time ago, pulling out stuff that frankly serves no purpose in complaining, and feels like complaining for complaining's sake.

Instead of breaking another record I'll just refer to this recent discussion. It's getting somewhat depressing to repeatedly read that my gripes with FM7 are being taken as complaining for the sake of complaining. I'll admit that one or two of my previous posts on this matter have been somewhat crippled by sarcasm, but that way I didn't have to repeat the exact same gripes over and over. I have already put some effort into explaining everything that's wrong with Turn 10's current practices, but they keep the dick moves coming our way. They may not change overnight, but silence preferably shouldn't suggest a hint of acceptance within the community.

Granted, I am guilty of this as well, I will come clean. However you have complained, by my standards, about the fact that you need to retweet something on Twitter, on a stream, when you don't even need Twitter to do it. You have complained about the fact that you need Gold in order to do some of the challenges, which has been present since at least Horizon 3, and yeah, it sucks for those who don't have Gold, but by this point, those who don't have Gold are so infinitely small compared to even in the 360 era that it shouldn't be bothered anymore.

I realize by now that I do not need Twitter, but the third-party terms people are presented with over at watch.forzarc.com are in my opinion not much better. Besides, the Gold requirements in FH3 were incomparable to those in FM7. Non-Gold accounts may be in the minority, but I purchased my Xbox One solely for Forza, and it remains the only thing I use it for. I've read a lot of bad stuff about the multiplayer experience in Forza, so I obviously cannot justify Gold subscription solely for a few cars that aren't even DLC.

Frankly, you have been a broken record for months. Certainly, since I started posting here regularly when I bought my Xbox One with Horizon 3 nearly a year ago. Maybe by now, you should stop playing Forza Motorsport or even Horizon if it's causing you this much grief that you're complaining about it incessantly?

FM7 is easily the worst among the few Forza games I have played, but I still find a few reasons to play it. Selling my digital Ultimate Edition is not an option. One might as well squeeze out every bit of enjoyment allowed within the asking price.
 
Of the handful of friends I know who care about Forza, I grilled them about this mass-Unicorn situation. To my surprise, they liked it, each and every one. They said they loved having those exclusive cars to show off, and would make extra effort to snag them at every opportunity. I personally don't get it, but hey.

Granted I won't go so far as to say I like it, but I don't necessarily hate it either. Between the division based career and locked cars I've certainly explored a bigger portion of the car list than I would have under the traditional "everything's unlocked" format. With the locked cars it's pretty much a "I went through the effort to get the car I might as well see how it is" sort of deal or a certain car being unavailable forcing me to use something else.

I do wish they would have went with an old-school GT style prize wheel for each career championship though with certain cars being more rare. This would give you an actual reason to replay career races as well as give the rarity tiers some actual meaning. The other methods could be used to obtain additional or more rare cars (plus cars completely new to the game).
 
I had a look at my car collection and noticed I have 42 cars left to unlock, 12 of which are FE cars. There's at least 10 cars on offer through various challenges in the coming weeks (Bounty Hunter, leagues, Forzathon) so that number is slowly but surely dwindling down.
 
Never mentioned but definitely seen. It's pointing to either a freebie mini Honda car pack or rally expansion

And there is precedent both on free Honda mini packs, and free car packs including both a hot hatch and its Red Bull-sponsored Global Rallycross version (which is, I realize now, an oddly specific niche). We know that files pertaining the GRC version of the Civic were added via a patch (later removed, IIRC), and we also know that the FK8 Type-R is in some state of implementation (enough that everyone's least favorite train could claim that he's driven it with the full backing of T10 and Honda USA).

Of course, trying to predict T10 is madness, but the elements point to the possibility of a free two-car bonus pack in the future.
 
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