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Forza Motorsport 7: General Discussion
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So the 997 GT3RS is just as broken as it was in FM6, under hard, prolonged cornering it will still lift one or both of the front wheels and render it pretty much useless, as pictured below...
(Yes, that's Lime Rock, but that's not up the hill where you usually get air, it's the right hander before the bridge that leads you to the last corner and the start/finish straight. And it's overexposed on purpose to show that both wheels are off the ground.)
The trick in FM6 to get it to be somewhat driveable was to soften the front suspension nearly as much as possible, which still works in FM7 but really compromises the handling towards understeer.
Really dissapointing.
(Yes, that's Lime Rock, but that's not up the hill where you usually get air, it's the right hander before the bridge that leads you to the last corner and the start/finish straight. And it's overexposed on purpose to show that both wheels are off the ground.)
The trick in FM6 to get it to be somewhat driveable was to soften the front suspension nearly as much as possible, which still works in FM7 but really compromises the handling towards understeer.
Really dissapointing.
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I noticed this in a couple of races this evening. One of them was the homestead infield track, when you come off the main oval on one side to the infield. Its so bad you lose control and can get off in the grass if you don’t watch it. I thought one of the drivatars was bumping me at first.So the 997 GT3RS is just as broken as it was in FM6, under hard, prolonged cornering it will still lift one or both of the front wheels and render it pretty much useless, as pictured below...
(Yes, that's Lime Rock, but that's not up the hill where you usually get air, it's the right hander before the bridge that leads you to the last corner and the start/finish straight. And it's overexposed on purpose to show that both wheels are off the ground.)
The trick in FM6 to get it to be somewhat driveable was to soften the front suspension nearly as much as possible, which still works in FM7 but really compromises the handling towards understeer.
Really dissapointing.
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And it has the Forza custom front bumperSo the 997 GT3RS is just as broken as it was in FM6, under hard, prolonged cornering it will still lift one or both of the front wheels and render it pretty much useless, as pictured below...
(Yes, that's Lime Rock, but that's not up the hill where you usually get air, it's the right hander before the bridge that leads you to the last corner and the start/finish straight. And it's overexposed on purpose to show that both wheels are off the ground.)
The trick in FM6 to get it to be somewhat driveable was to soften the front suspension nearly as much as possible, which still works in FM7 but really compromises the handling towards understeer.
Really dissapointing.
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Was driving both this and the GT2 RS at Le Mans and found the GT2 to be worse, with me almost crashing twice because of it. Although it appears the 991 Turbo S doesnt lift off the ground at allSo the 997 GT3RS is just as broken as it was in FM6, under hard, prolonged cornering it will still lift one or both of the front wheels and render it pretty much useless, as pictured below...
(Yes, that's Lime Rock, but that's not up the hill where you usually get air, it's the right hander before the bridge that leads you to the last corner and the start/finish straight. And it's overexposed on purpose to show that both wheels are off the ground.)
The trick in FM6 to get it to be somewhat driveable was to soften the front suspension nearly as much as possible, which still works in FM7 but really compromises the handling towards understeer.
Really dissapointing.
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I have completed every race series in the Seeker, Breakout, Evolution, Domination and Masters championships. I've just got 8 more series in the Forza Drivers Cup and then every race series will be complete. I've played Motorsports since FM3 and have never completed every race series. Now I'm just a couple days of gaming away from 100% completion and the first DLC hasn't even dropped yet.
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I must say, the new rivals event on Dubai City Reverse is so much fun! The Renault R.S. '17 handles the circuit beautifully. Give it a shot! 
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XBox One - Game save seems to be acting up. Now when ever I start the game my car is always the Hyundai Veloster - no matter what car I am using when I quit the game, and Achievements are no longer registering.
I have gone 250mph + in 3 different cars and the achievement is still locked.
Scrolling through the garage gas the images and cars lagging about 4 seconds behind - and sometimes the car that shows is not the same as the car selected.
Hope this is not an indicator of some impending mass game save issues.
I have gone 250mph + in 3 different cars and the achievement is still locked.
Scrolling through the garage gas the images and cars lagging about 4 seconds behind - and sometimes the car that shows is not the same as the car selected.
Hope this is not an indicator of some impending mass game save issues.
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Did you pick the Hyundai as your first car? If so, it does this to me every once in awhile too. It will put me in the Bugatti I picked first, even though I haven’t drove it since I started.
I Think most people’s garages lag like that, mine does too. I haven’t timed it, I don’t know if it’s four seconds but mine lags as well. I think someone said it’s the Forzavista stuff they added to the garage.
I don’t know about the achievement, why it’s not popping, but I don’t think any of those issues you have are game save problems. 👍
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I did not have any issues until this Tuesday. I suppose it is the new updated application.
The garage never used to lag for me, I am level 96, Collector level 17 and I always choose the car prize. Have only bought 2 cars, all the rest are DLC. prizes and gifts.
Each time I start the game now the garage lag is progressively worse - to the point the picked car is not even displayed correctly.
I don't recall my first car, it might have been the Veloster.
I suppose we can just hope for the best
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XBoxOne.
I keep my PC with VR for the real sims. My Forza time, like GT:Sport time - is pure relaxation - which is why I am particularly concerned about the severe performance degradation recently. I hate to see game progress lost due to poor software development.
I don't buy cars, only collect the prizes. The personal garage has never lagged at all until after the latest patch - now it is extreme. Last night the image and car selected took 3 to 7 seconds to catch up. Many times the car selected never matched the image displayed.
Closing the game and opening it again did help alleviate some of the issues. No other games are displaying this problem.
The Buy Garage has never and does not currently lag.
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Ah ok, same here. Well, One S actually, but that shouldn't matter. If anything, this isn't a recent issue. It has been plaguing some since the release, like I noted. Odd that you barely got it, you must have just been lucky before lol. The achievements in the game have also been iffy for me since the beginning. I randomly just got some the other day and I have no idea why.
As for the garage, I myself have had it laggy since release. Like you mention, if you try to switch to fast the cars will get locked for a bit and then lag over to the selection its supposed to be. Hell, sometimes it'll even show a car from a different manufacturer for a little bit. The Car Dealership used to be the same way, but oddly enough, I have reverse effects you're having. With this patch, the Dealership has speed up tremendously.
Only thing I can think of, that I haven't even tried yet mind you, is doing a hard reset on the console? Other than that, I don't know what to say, but the issues you've noted are far from new. Aside from that weird Veloster thing, haven't had that happen to me yet.
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If i try and browse thru my owned garage fast then it lag's and if i keep pushing the game crashes, but if i take it easy and wait for the spinning wheel to disappear every now and then. then its all good.
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Hard reset essentially works as a cache clear, to be honest. It doesn't reset/lose any game saves. I have never had an issue doing in since I've bought my first console back in 2014. It's actually recommended when the Xbox starts acting up.Hard Reset and Console in the same sentence always make me nervous
Especially since we have no mechanism to backup game saves - just in case.
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I shut down the XBox every time - it is never in sleep/instant on mode. So everyday a new fresh user session is started.
The problem with a 'hard reset' where you hold the power button until it shuts off, is you are turning off the hard ware with out regard to whether the current user settings have been written to disk.
There is potential for corruption occurring.
Since you mention refreshing cache, I am assuming you are doing a console reset not a restart.
Clearing the local cache is a big deal. The XBox "interface" that you experience at the user level is a combination of the booted OS, the default system settings, the custom system settings (network, power options, audio and video settings), the default user environment and an overlay of the per user settings (game saves/options/account details).
The locally stored cache is all your special user data - that can only be sourced upstream from the cloud if it was correctly written the last time out.
If at any point that data is not complete, you simply lose that component/setting and you get the default.
That is how the OS works.
So purging the local cache is not a trivial matter and you run the risk of losing all progress/personal parameters when ever you do it.
Now, shutting the system completely down is one thing - summarily refreshing everything is another and if you really need to refresh all local data, that by definition implies that corruption has occurred and the data needs to be restored. And if there is any possibility the last upload/save was not complete, the result would then be lost personal data as the restored data would also be corrupt so the OS will then purge it and provide the appropriate default values.
Now combine a hard reset without proper saving of the memory resident data and you see the potential for disaster if it was partially written to the cloud - the entire cache refresh option is simply a way to replace ALL user specific local data with cloud sourced previously backed up data - again, you are hoping that data is still 100% correct.
I would recommend the regular shut downs, but caution folks to refresh cached data at their own risk.
If you knew just how weak the XBox OS was, you would not be so flippant with how you treat it and your data.
Think the worst implementation of Windows ever (WindowsME, Windows 8, Windows10) and then imagine no user control or management of your own personal data - that is the XBox360 and XBoxOne OS.
But I love the games
The problem with a 'hard reset' where you hold the power button until it shuts off, is you are turning off the hard ware with out regard to whether the current user settings have been written to disk.
There is potential for corruption occurring.
Since you mention refreshing cache, I am assuming you are doing a console reset not a restart.
Clearing the local cache is a big deal. The XBox "interface" that you experience at the user level is a combination of the booted OS, the default system settings, the custom system settings (network, power options, audio and video settings), the default user environment and an overlay of the per user settings (game saves/options/account details).
The locally stored cache is all your special user data - that can only be sourced upstream from the cloud if it was correctly written the last time out.
If at any point that data is not complete, you simply lose that component/setting and you get the default.
That is how the OS works.
So purging the local cache is not a trivial matter and you run the risk of losing all progress/personal parameters when ever you do it.
Now, shutting the system completely down is one thing - summarily refreshing everything is another and if you really need to refresh all local data, that by definition implies that corruption has occurred and the data needs to be restored. And if there is any possibility the last upload/save was not complete, the result would then be lost personal data as the restored data would also be corrupt so the OS will then purge it and provide the appropriate default values.
Now combine a hard reset without proper saving of the memory resident data and you see the potential for disaster if it was partially written to the cloud - the entire cache refresh option is simply a way to replace ALL user specific local data with cloud sourced previously backed up data - again, you are hoping that data is still 100% correct.
I would recommend the regular shut downs, but caution folks to refresh cached data at their own risk.
If you knew just how weak the XBox OS was, you would not be so flippant with how you treat it and your data.
Think the worst implementation of Windows ever (WindowsME, Windows 8, Windows10) and then imagine no user control or management of your own personal data - that is the XBox360 and XBoxOne OS.
But I love the games
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Just the same if you turn the console on or off normally. Just leave the game, let it sit for a while, and then do it, just to make sure that anything saving is done. I shut my console off every day too, but that hard reset does work.
No, hard reset works as a cache clearer, pretty much. I'm talking about holding the power button for about 5-10 seconds.
Never have, in 4 years. Don't think I can recall anyone else losing any data from doing it also. It's also something that Xbox themselves recommend. Of all the times doing it, I've had absolutely zero issues.
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/power-cycle-console
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/How_to_do_a_Hard_Restart_on_Xbox_One
If at any time that local data is different than cloud data, it will ask you which you would like to have as the default. Although, can't say this has ever occurred outside of one time that was entirely my fault, as I accidently started an offline profile and overwritten my cloud save.
From what I understand, its from the Xbox not communicating correctly, not the data itself.
Always has been, for me. This so far has 100% worked as intended, every time I've used it, for going on 3 years now. I trust it, as the results have shown that it works. Thanks for the warning, but if something hasn't been an issue 100% of the time of me using it so far, I think I can come to the conclusion that it's probably good to go. I'd recommend anyone with start up issues, hanging issues with games, or general xbox live connectivity issues to give it a shot, as it has alleviated many issues that I've had in the past.
Eh, like I've said, in 3 years I've had absolutely no issues. Can't recall anyone else either.
Be weary all you want. It's your console. I just haven't experienced one thing you're warning me about.
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And I am telling how the Operating System works. These are the facts.
This forum is but a fraction of the console population. Corruption due to hard reset and cache clearing is real.
Here, tell this guy that just lost an awesome Livery Rich Game Save Hard Reset is 100% safe.....
https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/...ns-and-Replicas--Sad-news---save-is-gone.aspx
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The facts seem to point at the opposite. Never have I ever ran into an issue. Not exactly sure what this forum has do to with this
As for the link, a hard reset doesn't erase a file like this guy said his did. If your facts are anything to go by, it would have corrupted it not deleted it. Hell, no one even knows what caused it so go ahead and make all the conclusions you want. I'm betting he very much did what I did where I selected the wrong save to be the primary one.
As it sits, I have been 100% issue free by using this method.
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Again, the way the process and the OS works is that if the data is corrupted and that data is uploaded, you will get the default empty game save simply because the OS will purge that data.
To try claim that data has never been lost or that game saves are never lost or that all XBox data related functions are always 100% perfect is not correct .
What it has to do with this forum is that telling people to refresh cache for no technical reason other than "I do it and never have a problem" is irresponsible.
To try claim that data has never been lost or that game saves are never lost or that all XBox data related functions are always 100% perfect is not correct .
What it has to do with this forum is that telling people to refresh cache for no technical reason other than "I do it and never have a problem" is irresponsible.
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Does anyone know how long the speciality dealer lasts and when it starts and finished. I’m getting on soon want to get those sweet rides and hope it’s still there. Not at my house at the moment. Loving Forza 7 though can’t wait for all features to be available
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No, it's the user the removes the save for themselves. It doesn't do it automatically at all.
Good thing no one said anything of the sort. Try actually going off what is said
I don't see how that relates to
It almost seems like it literally had no correlation to work you were originally implying.
I was merely offering my side off the fence, offering a suggestion, a method that i continually use for years now that has caused none of the things you're warning about. If you're worried about it not getting uploaded correctly, than common sense says to wait and close all programs before hand. How that isn't obvious is beyond me. If you're still worried about that then power down your console normally and unplug it for 10 seconds as it will literally do the exact same thing as the method I suggested.
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