Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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Just set up my G290. Ready to drive the 2020 Shelby GT500! In the meantime I'll be finishing off FM7 as I've been putting it off
Got my backup batteries ready to drive the Shelby Daytona... :P

Two of my '10 favourite' cars are in 'Vintage GT Racing' (if that's still a thing) :nervous:
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The idea of just dropping all of the GT cars into one class really doesn't appeal to me. I found this annoying in FM7 and I found the class mixing annoying in GTSport & 7.

I just hope there's a custom race mode similar to the blueprints feature in the Horizon games where I can select my opponents to at least keep tihngs accurate that way.
 
I haven't seen any Brazilian content creators who have played, The T10 could have paid more attention to this.
Because Brazil dont have any content creator revelant. Muka is just focus on online race, he doent talk about anythijg else. Others are small or do something for children's things like "policia e ladrão", "cidade camuflada"... No one talks about how to improve game or comunity. Look to who they choosen and their work over the years and compare
 
It is most likely the very same.


I have also found it odd that T10 have decided that Current Sports cars are a great starting point for the Builder's Cup, racther than the 6 average hatches that they have confirmed:

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Man...that older gen list of hatches would have been perfect starter cars, in what world a 5.0L Mustang is a starter car is beyond me...

I think it must just come back to where this game is appealing too. Back in FM4 days...was a a Ford KA exciting to kids? No it wasn't, but that wasn't the point at all.

It really makes me wish these games had modding support, like...PROPER modding support where we could re-do campaign, re-do car lists, add or remove cars, set our own rules, essentially make it sand boxy.

They want people in "sorta fast" stuff ASAP and it's depressing. You should start from the lowest possible class or maybe the one up from that, not from B/A.

I kind of wish you had a way to "choose" which builders cup intro event you started at as I am just gonna start at all the retro hatch stuff and the sod the rest of it haha. I'll stop at B/A class.
 
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We're close to the final car list and I think we'll miss a lot of cars from the previous games. But I have a feeling that they are updating cars quicker than before and they will add a lot of free cars after lunch. In five years of development, they updated 500 cars, so a hundred a year. I think that's a lot and that's a good news for the future.
Adding a lot of cars after lunch? Does this mean we get none of them before lunch and after breakfast? 😂
Just set up my G290. Ready to drive the 2020 Shelby GT500! In the meantime I'll be finishing off FM7 as I've been putting it off
I'm currently working through buying the 100 odd cars I still need to buy, rerunning single player events where I didn't get maximum points before. Don't think I'll get them all before launch though (or even before lunch...)
 
I have also found it odd that T10 have decided that Current Sports cars are a great starting point for the Builder's Cup, racther than the 6 average hatches that they have confirmed:

Man...that older gen list of hatches would have been perfect starter cars, in what world a 5.0L Mustang is a starter car is beyond me...

I think it must just come back to where this game is appealing too. Back in FM4 days...was a a Ford KA exciting to kids? No it wasn't, but that wasn't the point at all.

I dont know if you guys know, but you guys know that its a old non-launch bulid and that it is likely that that maybe they can change the cars for the career and that probally can be others, right? it was talked a lot by the people that got this bulid that it was not a full representation of the game that car options could be different and that they were only trying to show the pace of the game
 
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Man...that older gen list of hatches would have been perfect starter cars, in what world a 5.0L Mustang is a starter car is beyond me...

I think it must just come back to where this game is appealing too. Back in FM4 days...was a a Ford KA exciting to kids? No it wasn't, but that wasn't the point at all.

It really makes me wish these games had modding support, like...PROPER modding support where we could re-do campaign, re-do car lists, add or remove cars, set our own rules, essentially make it sand boxy.

They want people in "sorta fast" stuff ASAP and it's depressing. You should start from the lowest possible class or maybe the one up from that, not from B/A.

I kind of wish you had a way to "choose" which builders cup intro event you started at as I am just gonna start at all the retro hatch stuff and the sod the rest of it haha. I'll stop at B/A class.
We live in a different generation now, full of teenagers and young adults with low attention spans. Look at the popularity of tiktok, Instagram reels and VOD. People want everything instantly. A kid playing a racing game now wants the Lamborghini right away otherwise he's bored and will play something else. Where as back in the day we had to work up to the fastest cars. Even though we always wanted to drive them right away, it was the progression that made us fall in love with the games back then. It was the journey not the destination. Now in Forza Horizon 5 for example you start with a Corvette C8. Where's the progression? You start with a bloody supercar so all sense of progression is dead, you've already made it. This is what the players of today want but for us old schoolers it's just a bummer.

Now obviously FM is much better in this regard but even a Mustang is too much for a starter car imo. FM4 had it ****ing nailed starting in those cheap **** boxes, honestly the progression in that game is one of the main reasons people think of that game as the best in the series without necessarily even realising the reason.
 
Now obviously FM is much better in this regard but even a Mustang is too much for a starter car imo.
You guys are assumming that they wont change, again, IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT CAN BE DIFFERENT
Some/most cars were missing in that bulid and it is likely they adapted the career mode for the cars that had in the demo

Lets wait the true launch bulid comeout before make talk about starter cars and such to make assumtions about the game, the (true) pre-download isnt even in the Xbox Live/Network/Store yet
 
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You guys are assumming that they wont change, again, IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT CAN BE DIFFERENT
Some cars were in that bulid and it is likely they adepted that bulid for the cars that had in the demo

Lets wait the true launch bulid comeout before make talk about starter cars and such to make assumtions about the game, the (true) pre-download isnt even in the game yet
Yes they'll totally have Toyota Aygo as a starter car again! But yes we shall see. Surprised GT7 had the balls to start you in proper ***** boxes but I spose it's their staple. Shame the cafe ruined that game for me
 
Yes they'll totally have Toyota Aygo as a starter car again!
I dont think that will be the Aygo lol, but the hatches that already have in game could be great starter cars specially grassroots race with them a lot on real life
Also I'd argue that the Mustang or the Subaru are indeed cars that people get their first experience with
In fact they are expanding the idea of Mustang is a great car to start driving on tracks that the Ford Peformance School and IMSA are getting together to make Mustang Challenge from next year

 
Yes they'll totally have Toyota Aygo as a starter car again! But yes we shall see. Surprised GT7 had the balls to start you in proper ***** boxes but I spose it's their staple. Shame the cafe ruined that game for me
Maybe GT7 started you in a lesser car but that lasted all of 20 minutes before they were handing you C7 Corvettes and then full on racing cars. They laid doody in their bed with that career for sure. It had no rhyme or reason to it what so ever. And why did my collector level stop at 50 when I was still collecting cars? What was the point of that anyways? People buying cars they didn't want for an "extended" cafe menu all to get a roulette ticket where you were awarded a quarter of the cost of the initial car. lol
An 8 year old boy could come up with a more creative and intuitive career than that mess. 👦
 
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Maybe GT7 started you in a lesser car but that lasted all of 20 minutes before they were handing you C7 Corvettes and then full on racing cars. They laid doody in their bed with that career for sure. It had no rhyme or reason to it what so ever. And why did my collector level stop at 50 when I was still collecting cars? What was the point of that anyways? People buying cars they didn't want for an "extended" cafe menu all to get a roulette ticket where you were a quarter of the cost of the initial car. lol
An 8 year old boy could come up with a more creative and intuitive career than that mess. 👦
They just had to rehash Gran Turismo 4's career mode with new cars and tracks and it woulda been perfect, for me anyway
 
We live in a different generation now, full of teenagers and young adults with low attention spans. Look at the popularity of tiktok, Instagram reels and VOD. People want everything instantly. A kid playing a racing game now wants the Lamborghini right away otherwise he's bored and will play something else. Where as back in the day we had to work up to the fastest cars. Even though we always wanted to drive them right away, it was the progression that made us fall in love with the games back then. It was the journey not the destination. Now in Forza Horizon 5 for example you start with a Corvette C8. Where's the progression? You start with a bloody supercar so all sense of progression is dead, you've already made it. This is what the players of today want but for us old schoolers it's just a bummer.

Now obviously FM is much better in this regard but even a Mustang is too much for a starter car imo. FM4 had it *ing nailed starting in those cheap * boxes, honestly the progression in that game is one of the main reasons people think of that game as the best in the series without necessarily even realising the reason.

I think it's time to take off the nostalgia glasses for five seconds, because that is a load of crap.

Are we seriously going to argue FM is a lesser car game because you can get into a modern V8/RWD muscle car from minute one? Do we always HAVE to start in a crapbox (plus or minus the AE86, depending on the game) from the late 80s or early 90s? Because quite honestly, I'm over that era.

This is not because I'm tired of the cars specifically, but yeah, the world has moved on. "KEEDZ these days and their attention spans / back in MAH day" isn't just a ridiculously asinine rah-rah take, it's critically missing the point and much simpler explanations.

Maybe the average person playing the 2023 racing game wants to drive relatively modern cars and not the idea of a starter car that worked in 2007? Maybe it's about providing a selection of cars that showcases different driving styles, like, oh, I dunno, a front-wheel drive Civic Type R, a rear-wheel drive Mustang, and an all-wheel drive Imp S209 can showcase? (All three of which I'll note looked like they were B-class cars, which in Forza has always meant "Not overly slow, not overly fast" and are generally good beginner cars.)
Maybe let's not stress over the starter cars, especially if you're already an enthusiast or experienced at racing games???

And I could also cover the current real-world automotive context we live in, with used prices being absurd, modern cars being anything but cheap, and the fact your beloved crapboxes are either as old as, or approaching the age of, a classic Mustang when FM4 came out.
I do, in fact, love the classic old hatchbacks and every manner of what was once considered cheap cars you can throw at me. But these cars are old. They should be in the game, but it doesn't make sense not to showcase a sampler of interesting, modern cars to make a good first impression.

They just had to rehash Gran Turismo 4's career mode with new cars and tracks and it woulda been perfect, for me anyway

Ah, there it is, the mating call of "I refuse to get out of my comfort zone."

Q.E.D.
 
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Maybe the average person playing the 2023 racing game wants to drive relatively modern cars and not the idea of a starter car that worked in 2007? Maybe it's about providing a selection of cars that showcases different driving styles, like, oh, I dunno, a front-wheel drive Civic Type R, a rear-wheel drive Mustang, and an all-wheel drive Imp S209 can showcase? (All three of which I'll note looked like they were B-class cars, which in Forza has always meant "Not overly slow, not overly fast" and are generally good beginner cars.)
Maybe let's not stress over the starter cars, especially if you're already an enthusiast or experienced at racing games???
Not sure a S209 with '209' units ever produced, is the best choice for a Starter Car. They don't have any other AWD vehicles?

The S204 was a Unicorn back in Forza 4, as much as it is in real life, so should this S209.
 
Not sure a S209 with '209' units ever produced, is the best choice for a Starter Car. They don't have any other AWD vehicles?

The S204 was a Unicorn back in Forza 4, as much as it is in real life, so should this S209.

Now that's a good point.

Yes indeed, why pick an S-car? Every S-car and the 22B have been Subaru's rare unicorns (even beyond what Forza called them). It is surprising they haven't gone for a more "regular" WRX STi, but since the very latest one Forza has is a 2015 car that is no longer the latest model, and Subaru hasn't yet produced an STi version of the current WRX (and probably never will), which by the way, is not in Forza... The most likely explanation is they'd probably say that's the best fit they had.

But that says less about the concept of picking recently-produced cars to serve as starter cars, and more about the vagaries of licensing and asset availability. Functionally, I don't have a problem with driving an S209 from minute one in FM. I'll never come close to touching one in real life and the more hardcore sims aren't rushing to make that car drivable in their games.
 
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I think it's time to take off the nostalgia glasses for five seconds, because that is a load of crap.
Can't lie, I'm only picking the Honda just in case it helps me get one of my 10 'favourites' quicker lol.
Ideally, I would love to get to pick my first car within a budget that would unlock certain events. But we'll see how it goes when the Forza icon stops taunting me..

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Can't lie, I'm only picking the Honda just in case it helps me get one of my 10 'favourites' quicker lol.
Ideally, I would love to get to pick my first car within a budget that would unlock certain events. But we'll see how it goes when the Forza icon stops taunting me..

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Pristine taste, no notes. I'm taking the S209 because, well, Look at my profile picture.
 
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