Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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I think a primary divider here is people who enjoy racing vs people who enjoy gaming.

If you are in this game for the pure racing and driving, it's great. Feels better than anything else on a pad imo and the improvements fr toom previous games there are huge.

Then there are the MP improvements that make it easier to find much better races much faster. Combine that with the above and as a racing experience it's pretty grand.

Then there are the gamers who just want to get their points, or worse the YouTubers who only care about cranking out the next "OP build* to drive clicks. They hate it because you actually have to, you know, play the game. Makes it hard to crank out a new video every day with some massively upgraded hypebeast machine when you can't just slap it together in 3 minutes and claim it's some big deal that no one else could have thought of.

Dunno, that is just my two cents. As someone who is just here for the racing and driving, and intends to play this game for years, I am over the moon with it cause it just feels so damn good. I also think YouTubers are almost universally a cancer in every game they play so seeing them seethe is giving me the fuzzies.

Also damn I've been gone from this site for a long time lol
If you wanna do some driving and racing, get on a PC, get a sim rig setup, get a proper sim racing game. I'm enjoying the racing too, but I can't see myself on this game a month from now - I hope I'm wrong though!

I'm sat here watching YouTube, and typing this while my car drives round on fully assisted to boost my car level so I can be competitive in Rivals 😂 #ModernGaming
 
If you wanna do some driving and racing, get on a PC, get a sim rig setup, get a proper sim racing game. I'm enjoying the racing too, but I can't see myself on this game a month from now - I hope I'm wrong though!

I'm sat here watching YouTube, and typing this while my car drives round on fully assisted to boost my car level so I can be competitive in Rivals 😂 #ModernGaming
I live in a tiny apartment and literally do not have space for that. Sorry.
 
I live in a tiny apartment and literally do not have space for that. Sorry.

You don't have to have a full sim rig to get the most out of a game like FM. One of those adjustable, foldable metal stands on which you can bolt your wheel, pedals, and shifter is plenty. I don't have a huge living space either and I can still manage to stuff that in a corner without too much trouble when I'm done playing. But granted, I also play on PC, and I can set the stand in front of a dedicated PC desk. If that's not similar to your situation, that might be an issue.
 
Yeah, a lot of YouTubers are just cancer all they want to do is spread negativity and destroy everything. Negative people waste of time. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to listen to them 🤷 best thing to do in everything in life is to make your own mind up.

Edit: it's a bit like watching the news, all negative, hidden agendas, pointless!
 
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You don't have to have a full sim rig to get the most out of a game like FM. One of those adjustable, foldable metal stands on which you can bolt your wheel, pedals, and shifter is plenty. I don't have a huge living space either and I can still manage to stuff that in a corner without too much trouble when I'm done playing. But granted, I also play on PC, and I can set the stand in front of a dedicated PC desk. If that's not similar to your situation, that might be an issue.
I was more responding to the "hurr durr if you just wanna drive/race play iRacing" logic of the post I replied to. As if people are not allowed to want to play FM for the same reasons someone else might play iRacing.

My space is extremely limited currently for several reasons, and while I do play on PC I would not be able to set a rig up at my PC desk because of space from the desk to the bed behind it. I am crammed in using my chair and would not be able to have pedals/wheel at a comfortable offset. I do own a sim rig that I used to use but it is in storage at my parents because I just can't get it to fit in my current place.

Hopefully whenever I move next it will be into a place that has a spare bedroom to make into an office/gaming lair, but that is probably several years out cause I'm not leaving my current place just to rent somewhere else, and I'm not buying at these interest rates lol
 
I was more responding to the "hurr durr if you just wanna drive/race play iRacing" logic of the post I replied to. As if people are not allowed to want to play FM for the same reasons someone else might play iRacing.

My space is extremely limited currently for several reasons, and while I do play on PC I would not be able to set a rig up at my PC desk because of space from the desk to the bed behind it. I am crammed in using my chair and would not be able to have pedals/wheel at a comfortable offset. I do own a sim rig that I used to use but it is in storage at my parents because I just can't get it to fit in my current place.

Hopefully whenever I move next it will be into a place that has a spare bedroom to make into an office/gaming lair, but that is probably several years out cause I'm not leaving my current place just to rent somewhere else, and I'm not buying at these interest rates lol

That's completely fair on all counts. It's a point in FM's favor, you can just grab the controller and have a good time even with damage on and little to no assists. Best of luck with your situation, don't let that stop you from enjoying games however you want to.
 
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New KRC Japan Widebody Kit available for the S15 - actually kinda makes the car look decent.
 
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I think a primary divider here is people who enjoy racing vs people who enjoy gaming.

If you are in this game for the pure racing and driving, it's great. Feels better than anything else on a pad imo and the improvements fr toom previous games there are huge.

Then there are the MP improvements that make it easier to find much better races much faster. Combine that with the above and as a racing experience it's pretty grand.

Then there are the gamers who just want to get their points, or worse the YouTubers who only care about cranking out the next "OP build* to drive clicks. They hate it because you actually have to, you know, play the game. Makes it hard to crank out a new video every day with some massively upgraded hypebeast machine when you can't just slap it together in 3 minutes and claim it's some big deal that no one else could have thought of.

Dunno, that is just my two cents. As someone who is just here for the racing and driving, and intends to play this game for years, I am over the moon with it cause it just feels so damn good. I also think YouTubers are almost universally a cancer in every game they play so seeing them seethe is giving me the fuzzies.

Also damn I've been gone from this site for a long time lol
Totally agree with your comments about youtubers,so many of them post crap just for clicks.Whilst i do watch youtube,from games to dogs being washed,(yes really),i am definately not`influenced`by them at all.I tend to read forums,read all the comments and make my mind up from there.With GT7 and FM my mind was made up before release,ive had my moneys worth from GT7,with all its faults,and im sure i`ll have my moneys worth in FM.The same with Ride 4 and the motogp series,I like them and so buy them.
 
If you wanna do some driving and racing, get on a PC, get a sim rig setup, get a proper sim racing game. I'm enjoying the racing too, but I can't see myself on this game a month from now - I hope I'm wrong though!

I'm sat here watching YouTube, and typing this while my car drives round on fully assisted to boost my car level so I can be competitive in Rivals 😂 #ModernGaming
I don't find the upgrade system that bad, I'm no world beater and was only upgrading cars within their class but I managed to get some top 20s. And actually enjoyed driving my chosen car and getting use to it and the track. 😐
 
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New KRC Japan Widebody Kit available for the S15 - actually kinda makes the car look decent.
And the wheels properly fit!

Don't know if it's a bug, but I've definitely seen a Merc (& I think an Aston) with widebodys being raced by the AI & the wheel fitment was still stock, so you get this really stupid looking widebody overhang on the wheel arches.
 
I have to say I rather like the upgrading system and the Builders Cup format of gradually increasing the PI limit as the series goes on, it's been creating some visibly interesting strategies. I just finished up the Fox Body Challenge and, expecting it to be an unending sea of Cobras because of the PI disparity, picked up the SVO and ran it up to level 5 in some freeplay races to give myself a larger upgrade budget at the start of the series.

Turns out a lot of other people have had the same idea, because the field was split pretty evenly between the two, and the Cobras were actually at a disadvantage through most of the series as they didn't have the extra headroom for upgrading until the last couple rounds. Many of the SVOs were sporting upgraded tires and full rollcages from the first race where the Cobras were mostly stock, and the only time a Cobra got into the podium was on Grand Oak when the front half of the field displayed a shocking lack of track awareness and four cars attempted to occupy the same spot going into the corner leading up to the pit entry.

The fields in the various series are going to look really interesting in a couple months, after a large number of players have had the chance to try out different cars with different builds for different PI caps. Everything feels a bit samey right now because I think early adopters are still in the mindset of "find the meta car and min-max it, then never mess with it again", but I can see that's going to change fairly quickly.
 
Quite a lot has been already said about the current status of the livery editor, the awful lighting as a starter point, but what strikes me the most is the fact that the entire overhaul seen in FH5 is 100% absent, as if Playground/Turn10 don't share ideas/improvements or simply dropped the ball entirely.

It's funny how they claimed they moved the layers view in FH5 to a vertical view to a side to make more sense, and BTW, makes also seeing the car better, the horizontal view took too much space. In FM 2023...back to old system, it seems they thought it was a bad idea altogether or something.

The menu view when selecting a shape is excellent in FH5, it's very visual, you don't even need to read the texts to know what single option is for, and since it's a grid view, you can move quickly from one to another.

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FM 2023? It looks like someone was given the task to do the menu and had 5 minutes to do so. All texts, in a scroll view, so not only you have to move from one to one, but also means you can see all options at once. It looks souless.

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Even the vinyl shapes are an issue now. Since they are now black in the select shape menu for some reason, it adds to the eternal darkness look of the whole thing, I really like dark themes, I use them in my PC all the time, but they went overboard here, it's depressing.

In fact, until something is done to it (if anything is done at all) I'll be creating new logos and much as possible for new liveries in FH5, and then import them to FM2023. I don't like working here at all.
 
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Has anyone found out some good ways to make credits? I've been testing different cars on long races and nothing has stuck out much. I'm already using and testing highest AI and ruleset. 30 laps at Eaglerock Speedway paid out only 35k I believe. Seems a little light for the time I spent there.
At least the cars aren't that expensive. I don't think I've seen a car for over 400k unless I'm mistaken.
 
Has anyone found out some good ways to make credits? I've been testing different cars on long races and nothing has stuck out much. I'm already using and testing highest AI and ruleset. 30 laps at Eaglerock Speedway paid out only 35k I believe. Seems a little light for the time I spent there.
At least the cars aren't that expensive. I don't think I've seen a car for over 400k unless I'm mistaken.
Most expensive car in the game is the Jesko at 450,000 cr. I think they did this in compliment to the Upgrade system and wanted folks to be able to have "access" to their favorite cars right away so they could level them up sooner.
 
Has anyone found out some good ways to make credits? I've been testing different cars on long races and nothing has stuck out much. I'm already using and testing highest AI and ruleset. 30 laps at Eaglerock Speedway paid out only 35k I believe. Seems a little light for the time I spent there.
At least the cars aren't that expensive. I don't think I've seen a car for over 400k unless I'm mistaken.

I’m not sure grinding for credits is much of an issue. Free play, rivals, career all pay out well enough and the most expensive car is 450k.
 
Has anyone found out some good ways to make credits? I've been testing different cars on long races and nothing has stuck out much. I'm already using and testing highest AI and ruleset. 30 laps at Eaglerock Speedway paid out only 35k I believe. Seems a little light for the time I spent there.
At least the cars aren't that expensive. I don't think I've seen a car for over 400k unless I'm mistaken.
The 20 laps race at Le Mans I did paid out $135,000 CR iirc.
 
Placement races done, good start.
Be careful, I got punted T1 in my first 2 races post qualifier and immediately lost 300 skill rating because I placed about 10th in the end (out of 24). I'm not sure how its going for everyone else but it seems like it can change pretty rapidly.
 
I'm finding the AI to be a bit hit and miss. I've got it on level 4. First race at Suzuka short the AI would have won but got held up behind back markers (in a 8 lap race!) And I was able to pass him around Casio. The 2nd race was a very wet Silverstone I caught the leader on the last lap but he won by less than 4 hundreds of a second. The third race I got a good start, got the lead and never looked back.
 
Well I got home today and got the game loaded up on my PC, made some wheel settings for my Fanatec CSL DD based on gamermuscle's recommendations and I guess the word I can use to describe the game so far is Ewww...... It really looks bad. Everything looks bleached out. There is no sense of speed at all. Blasting down the Kemmel straight at Spa just looks like you're going down the street to the grocery store.

Using those wheel settings cars drive ok I guess but nothing special. Maybe if I can find some different settings that might change. FWD and AWD cars like hot hatches are ok. I've only driven one GT car the Acura and it doesn't feel like any GT race car that I've driven before in ACC or AC. Cars in general do have more grip than FM7 did. I want to try some other cars later tonight to see how they feel.

I ran the opening two races of Builders Cup in the Civic. AI behavior really hasn't improved over FM7 at all. You still get barreled into going into corners and the AI will brake check or even stop at random times. I ran some Free Play races in both the Acura NSX GT3 car and the Volkswagen GTi hot hatch using AI level at 5. I could finish as high as 3rd in the Acura with laptimes very similar to the winner. But in the VW I smoked the field with a lap time nearly 4 seconds faster than anyone else and I was in the lead by lap 3 out of 5.

I haven't touched anything with graphics settings yet as I'm not sure what to do or how to do it. I know @FordGTGuy said something about turning on DLAA but I don't know where that is or what it is. But something needs to be done because here is my opening benchmark.

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So tell me what needs to be changed from here.
 
After actually putting a few hours in, honestly, from a driving and racing perspective this is flat out the best game T10 have ever produced. We were driving around online for a couple of hours, I had my wheel, and even with default settings save the brake outer dead zone (why it starts at 50% is completely beyond me, but whatever, easy fix) every car I drove, mostly road cars and the Formula Mazda and the Honda TC, felt pretty good and behaved as expected, actually! A few settings tweaks and I'd imagine it could feel as good as anything else. I haven't even set tire pressures on anything. Any crashes I had (and there were a couple of spectacular ones) were the result of me pushing to find the limit and the limit finding me first, not just some seemingly random physics thing.


As for the career and everything, I'm not overly bothered by it. Really, most of my preferred games don't feature upgrades at all, when you think about it. I'm not a huge painter or anything, so the paint shop being what it is, I guess I can see how if you're into these things how it would be dealbreakers. The Steam side, I'd be angry if I was dealing with what they are, certainly there are some weird bugs and glitches, but I haven't had a crash on the XSX and played for over two hours online without so much as a lag spike.

For me, Ima just gonna go and drive me some race cars and have some fun.
 

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