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Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread
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UKMikey
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I didn't say it was. The services are similar but the two games under discussion are different in the way they deliver content and how long it's available for.
I didn't say you did. But FM may be affected by being targeted at Game Pass users because the events are time limited and you have to play it regularly to get all the content. It forces players to engage with the game regularly whether they want to or not. Some (a lot) of those players are Game Pass players resulting in increased revenue for Microsoft.
EA SPORTS WRC is different in that once a Moment is posted it's up there for the duration of the season. The fact that some of them require EA Play doesn't affect the structure of the game for everyone else. FM being designed around making people either boot it up or login regularly IS affected by Game Pass whether you have it or not because the FOMO is built in for every player.
They didn't have to make the game that way, but it's designed to make Game Pass users login regularly. The rest of us who don't use it are just along for the ride, but we also have to play regularly because that's the way the game is designed.
I think that's the point @sirjim73 was making. He didn't say FM forces you to get Game Pass. He said the reason game content isn't permanent is because of Game Pass.
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the track was confirmed even before the launch
Also the fact that there has another one coming in december
Great news, hopefuly he uses his position to throw more money to Forza and give more staff for them
No, just no
It is good as it is
I think that they will add more events to career, and those cars leaving will eventually be the bonus cars of such events
They mentioned on Monthly that the defaut career would also change with more events and tracks added, actually they said that would be recommended we replay the career again to notice the new events and the differences
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I would argue that having the new cars come in should be enough of an initial draw, and then having a big archive of previous ones keeps people in long-term.
Yes, however they’re not time limited.
My advice to anyone who doesn’t have EA Play and wants to play those moments is to simply wait 6 months for a few dozen of them to be in the archive, then get a month of EA Play, and complete them all before your sub runs out.
There’s no real FOMO here because the events never expire, it’s just an extra thing and of all the potential EA Play integrations (which every EA game sort of has to have in some way) I think this one’s the fairest.
Also, if WRC goes to Game Pass (via EA Play) then it’s a moot point as they’re all unlocked by default then. In fact, that’s how I have access to them on Xbox right now.
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Guess I should get cracking with the Track Tour then.
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Me too.
Slaves to the wheel, we are 🤣
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That's not the point.
I think we're more "worried" about the way the game appears to be structured around limited availability cars in general and what we might miss out on in the future if they continue to wall off cars in this way.
I was three races off finishing the tour so it's more of a sunk cost fallacy and it would've been a wasted effort if I didn't push through till the end.
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There’s a good chance they aren’t.
The name above the door may be the same but people switch jobs and teams in the industry all the time.
I’m sure there are some veterans (there’s a few people still at Codemasters from Colin McRae Rally 2.0) but there’s likely been a lot of change in the last decade too.
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Ironically it was one of the EA play moments at Monte Carlo that changed my mind about purchasing the game yesterday evening. Great stage but it had the worst performance I've come across so far. So hope I don't have to wait that long for the performance to improve.
And for the record, I have no bias here, both games are disappointing to me, Forza for its content and WRC for its performance, I was just pointing out that both games have elements designed to push you toward a subscription service.
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Man we just to need to accept the old developers who made the games we cherished no longer work there.
They have either retired or moved on.
They have either retired or moved on.
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The main thing is they should at least make it clearer and easier to understand how to get the cars you want. Between the Car Pass cars, featured tour timed exclusives, new cars added permanently to the Autoshow in updates (GMA T50?), Open tour reward exclusive car (?), its a bit too convoluted if you don't want to watch the Forza monthly or read 10 pages of Forza.net articles.
Seems a lot of people, me included, weren't aware the Acura was a timed exclusive.
Seems a lot of people, me included, weren't aware the Acura was a timed exclusive.
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This bloody game isn’t saving my data properly. I’ve completed the MX-5 Cup and the Class C Open twice over but the game says I haven’t. What the hell. It’s really frustrating and I hope it gets fixed because I don’t want to miss out on future reward cars.
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I've watched a lot of the live streams and read articles, but it still hasn't been clear to me that the reward cars are timed exclusives. I guess we can infer it from the fact they use the term "unlock" rather than "obtain", but that's about it, and even attaching significance to the word "unlock" doesn't mean there won't be other ways to unlock it in the future. I haven't once seen/heard them explicitly say that completing these tours during these periods will be the only way to ever obtain these cars.
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I can't help thinking the team or budget has been reduced. The presentation at least rivals 3 & 4. It's the decline of the AI since those games that is most painful for me. I want to play single player to get away from Forza's crazy MP but there's little difference now.
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Okay so I have now found out that the new R8 is behind a timeout event. It says ends 50. I'm assuming that means 50 hours or is it 50 days? Never saw the timer before so simply assumed it was a permanent prize car.
I briefly saw somewhere that the Acura DPi is only available until 16 November I believe but I do wish they would make these things more obvious to players. I take it no one knows if these cars will be added to the showroom or not?
At least in FH5, they make it abundantly clear what is required to win the prize cars.
I briefly saw somewhere that the Acura DPi is only available until 16 November I believe but I do wish they would make these things more obvious to players. I take it no one knows if these cars will be added to the showroom or not?
At least in FH5, they make it abundantly clear what is required to win the prize cars.
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This seems pretty clear here. If I were to guess, I would say that it would come back again? I can't understand the logic in making a car for a game that will disappear from your chances of ever obtaining it again. But then again, I've been baffled by a few things here in FM since it's release.
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Even in FH5 they still don't have a simple indication for each car of whether it's exclusive or not. They apologized when one car recently said exclusive when it wasn't, but they never apologise for constantly showing cars as something other than exclusive when they are exclusive.
Right, yes, finally, a clear statement about it. That needs to be in the game itself.
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Beacuse there is lot of players in comunity that like the idea of exclusive cars beacuse they can brag that have all the rare cars
its no different of someone that buys a NFT or a Pokemon card and brag about how rare it is and how much it values now beacuse of rarity
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I've long since come to the conclusion that they deliberately don't WANT to make it clear what is/isn't exclusive or timed or whatever. If they leave everything vague, it forces everyone to rush before the end of the "series" which means more Gamepass logins.
I still don't trust that the 3 "permanent" series reward cars in career mode won't just disappear after next week, or change to other cars. If you know those 3 cars are permanent 100% sure, you don't need to do those races before next week.
I still don't trust that the 3 "permanent" series reward cars in career mode won't just disappear after next week, or change to other cars. If you know those 3 cars are permanent 100% sure, you don't need to do those races before next week.
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They made clear what cars are, they have had made the distintion between Exclusive cars and Autoshow cars and made various posts since 2 weeks before launch about who was who, even making a graphic pic showing who is who as well so people could share in a more easier way online
NOW, I think they should had better communication about it, I agree such phoros should had been posted in game or some graphics ingame could explain who was who, they need be more clear and explicative about what types of cars
I dont think there has bad intentions in not explain the type of cars, its more time for more priorities or just ingoring it non-purposly while focus in better matters for the game like bug fixing
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There's a saying that when it comes to deciding whether something is cock-up or conspiracy the former is much more likely, so it's hard to imagine the designers who seem to have got so many things wrong are secretly evil geniuses on the side. I guess we'll see whether
future FOMO content is flagged well ahead of time, or if what happened with the Open tour prize is the norm going forward.
future FOMO content is flagged well ahead of time, or if what happened with the Open tour prize is the norm going forward.
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