Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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I have a DD2 and Heusinkvelds. Drivehub works whenever I want to remember how horrible GT7 is.
Good for you I guess. I have more important things and different interests that I spend my money on rather than top of the line sim equipment.

A Drive Hub, Xbox Series S and my T-GT will do me. I'd just prefer that I had cheap Fanatec or Logitech options available to me earlier... which is what a (edit: in game) switching button would have done for me.

Edit: What's the problem with an extra button in a game that wouldn't affect you? There should be no need for disabled people like myself having to switch to PC just to play a game.
 
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If you don't mind me saying so, for someone who has dyslexia and whose first language is presumably português brasileiro, your English is pretty damn great. :)
Obrigado for your kindness :cheers:

Also I found the use of language in the video and press release really... odd, being someone who's very much attuned to the world of people with disabilities; I'm guessing British language is a little different from American language (where they still use "handicap/handicapped" as a term). That's why I extensively rewrote it for my article.
Language variates a lot depending from where you are, sometimes a word can have multiple meanings even inside a country with dialets and manners of speech
 
Language variates a lot depending from where you are, sometimes a word can have multiple meanings even inside a country with dialets and manners of speech
I'm aware, what with being a 45-year old British person - a country famous for having five accents every ten miles - and a professional writer who regularly writes in English and American English (as well as having a toddler's understanding of about four other languages that aren't English).


However I'm talking about the gulf in how we approach the language around disabilities - and it's right from the start here. I very much doubt any British gaming company would even think about calling this assist "Blind Driving Assist"; we just... wouldn't say that.

People with disabilities are "people with disabilities", not "disabled people" - they're not defined by the disability, but it's something they have. Everyone in the video seems quite happy with it, but the guy in it isn't a "blind gamer" in English*, he's a "gamer with blindness" (or possibly "vision impairment", or a subset thereof; "blindness" might cover low vision, limited vision, no vision, etc).

It was genuinely odd to read and to hear a lot of what was being said in the release and video, which... just wouldn't fly over here. Hence, as I said, my extensive rewrite of the language in my article. And I'm aware GTP is an American English site - because I have to write "tire" and "color" frequently :lol: - but it's my name on it...


*Of course how a person prefers to refer to themselves is their own prerogative
 
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People with disabilities are "people with disabilities", not "disabled people" - they're not defined by the disability, but it's something they have.
In the UK the pc term is 'disabled people', I was trying to find out why but remember it from our equality training, as an employee of a company who represents disabled people and issues such training I should know more but this was the best I could source, from https://disability-studies.leeds.ac.../sites/40/library/Clark-Laurence-language.pdf

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In the US it's certainly still 'people with disabilities' though, it all gets a bit much, particularly going by official government guidelines https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...o-use-and-avoid-when-writing-about-disability not to use the 'the' prefix (for any minority, as it dehumanises) but one of the most well known charities would be RNIB, the 'Royal National Institute for the Blind', although they changed it to be 'Royal National Institute for Blind People' in 2007...

I think we can still call us 'the Scots' 'the Jocks' etc and we'd welcome it, but who knows nowadays.
 
I'm aware, what with being a 45-year old British person - a country famous for having five accents every ten miles - and a professional writer who regularly writes in English and American English (as well as having a toddler's understanding of about four other languages that aren't English).


However I'm talking about the gulf in how we approach the language around disabilities - and it's right from the start here. I very much doubt any British gaming company would even think about calling this assist "Blind Driving Assist"; we just... wouldn't say that.

People with disabilities are "people with disabilities", not "disabled people" - they're not defined by the disability, but it's something they have. Everyone in the video seems quite happy with it, but the guy in it isn't a "blind gamer" in English*, he's a "gamer with blindness" (or possibly "vision impairment", or a subset thereof; "blindness" might cover low vision, limited vision, no vision, etc).

It was genuinely odd to read and to hear a lot of what was being said in the release and video, which... just wouldn't fly over here. Hence, as I said, my extensive rewrite of the language in my article. And I'm aware GTP is an American English site - because I have to write "tire" and "color" frequently :lol: - but it's my name on it...


*Of course how a person prefers to refer to themselves is their own prerogative
I'll preface this by stating I have Muscular Dystrophy and have been in a wheelchair since around 2005, so have some experience in the disability thing. Not having a crack at you either, as I understand that as a professional you need to abide by the standards of the day on such things.

I really don't get the over sensitivity to labeling, I actually find the hyper sensitivity from the "able bodied" as to how those with an affliction are labeled worse than anything someone could call me. Imo patronising is worse than ignorance. I'd rather all the resources that have been put into "what do we call these ****ers" was used to improve accessibility, like fix a few footpaths, knock up a few more accessible toilets, sound effect things walk signals etc.

I had someone once get stuck into a mate of mine, we were at an airport and he was on the phone to the guy that was picking us up as he couldn't find us. He must have been a bit loud out of frustration and said "we are near the Starbucks at arrivals, look for the guy in a wheelchair" We then had a couple come over and had a go at him about how insensitive he was and that I was more than a guy in a wheelchair blah blah. Virtue signaling gone mad. I know they meant well, but it's just crazy. To me it's common sense, old mate that was looking for us found us a lot quicker than if he was just looking for 2 men with brown hair in a crowded airport.

It almost feels like people are afraid to say it as that they are worried we don't realise we are disabled, trust me, we know. I've had this discussion with a few other people I know in a similar position to me, and they feel much the same.

Sorry to go off topic, just I've seen a lot of media on the subject, but not in an area where I can comment on it.

On topic, well done to Turn 10. Great initiative and I'm sure that those with dodgy eyes will love it and it will be a pretty good thing for a lot of others as well.
 
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I really don't get the over sensitivity to labeling, I actually find the hyper sensitivity from the "able bodied" as to how those with an affliction are labeled worse than anything someone could call me. Imo patronising is worse than ignorance. I'd rather all the resources that have been put into "what do we call these ****ers" was used to improve accessibility, like fix a few footpaths, knock up a few more accessible toilets, sound effect things walk signals etc.
Our world is unequal place. In some regions of my country people cares about labelings and in other 30% of population going into outdoor ******** style toilets in -20* Celsius. Our mind is very limited thing - we can't properly care about all our world. Our focus is always on problems around us. Good thing is, at the time everyone get accessible space comparable to W.Europe proper labeling system also would be in our minds. And proper labeling system means that everyone would cares about minorities by default.
 
Today I feel that the pressure for FM to suceed will be too much, with all the recent bad news for Microsoft (the Activision deal, the Redfall disaster, the slump in hardware sales). Xbox really needs a big win of its own and a return of a true flagship game!
 
Today I feel that the pressure for FM to suceed will be too much, with all the recent bad news for Microsoft (the Activision deal, the Redfall disaster, the slump in hardware sales). Xbox really needs a big win of its own and a return of a true flagship game!
Forza Motorsport is too niche to be a system seller flagship unfortunately. Starfield, Fable and some of those rumoured games hold more weight. In fact, FH is more of a system seller than FM will ever be at this point.
 
I feel there are going to be more eyes on motorsport; if it ships a broken mess then that'd be another PR nightmare. Shame what happened with redfall.
 
Forza Motorsport is too niche to be a system seller flagship unfortunately. Starfield, Fable and some of those rumoured games hold more weight. In fact, FH is more of a system seller than FM will ever be at this point.
But then why bother putting more technical and financial resources on a mere "niche" game? I think it really needs to be a prestige title, regardless of system/software sales, and it can't really afford a FM7-style launch (remember that?)
 
Forza Motorsport is too niche to be a system seller flagship unfortunately. Starfield, Fable and some of those rumoured games hold more weight. In fact, FH is more of a system seller than FM will ever be at this point.
True, Forza Motorsport finds itself in a weird spot if Microsoft wants to position it as a console seller. While we are approaching 6 years without a Motorsport game, it is probably not enough to make the upcoming game break the sales chart record for the franchise. Plus if Microsoft wants to emphasise its commitment to accessibility further, it is unlikely to turn FM into a hardcore sim to capitalise on that audience.

Funny how what was initially conceived as a spinoff (Forza Horizon) has far surpassed the mainline franchise (Motorsport) in popularity.
 
But then why bother putting more technical and financial resources on a mere "niche" game? I think it really needs to be a prestige title, regardless of system/software sales, and it can't really afford a FM7-style launch (remember that?)
It is a good addition to the line up of first party games, especially in the current scenario where they have very few. Plus FM is kinda unique in the PC space (i guess even on the console space) being an entry sim-ish title with loads more content.

Plus FM and FH develop in tandem, sharing a lot of tech, data (like car models/sounds, assets) and engine updates. It becomes easier to justify dumping money into a game engine or asset developments, when it is used across multiple games. Iirc, forzatech is used for some elements of flight sim and Fable will run on forzatech too. FM can now be a a long term game with big engine updates alongside every new FH release.
 
I kinda forget Alan exists most of the time. EHhh anyways, I hope that's a hint that we might get something of note during June haha. (I'm going insane)
 
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I’m beginning to wonder if Thrustmaster is waiting on FM8 for its T818 console release. I don’t know which I am more impatient for.
 
Wish we can fast forward to June to see all these new, juicy details on FM8. Coincidentally, the Xbox Games Showcase falls on the same day as the end of Le Mans.
I thought about it and it's hilarious. Why don't we steal some chronitrons so that it'll be June already? (Yes I got that from a Futurama reference)

On a serious note, maybe we'll see some new Le Mans content? We had some of the wares to coincide the event.
 
I thought about it and it's hilarious. Why don't we steal some chronitrons so that it'll be June already? (Yes I got that from a Futurama reference)

On a serious note, maybe we'll see some new Le Mans content? We had some of the wares to coincide the event.
At this point it would be criminal for FM8 not to include any Le Mans Hypercars and LMDh's at launch.
 
At this point it would be criminal for FM8 not to include any Le Mans Hypercars and LMDh's at launch.
Doesn't the wec game from MSG have rights to all LMh?
Lmdh on the other hand, might get dropped in post launch. Although I think T10 can go license these directly from the manufacturer themselves, like they had the up to date F1 car from Renault/Lotus in every FM from 2013 to 2017.
 
At this point it would be criminal for FM8 not to include any Le Mans Hypercars and LMDh's at launch.
With them just now including the last generation of DPi I would highly doubt seeing any of the new hypercars or LMDh's certainly at launch or anytime soon depending on licensing. I don't know how that works if say Ferrari get to choose which game the 499P appears in and Porsche gets to choose where the 963 shows up, etc.
 

Shadowdrop at June 11 Showcase
This car will be the cover car of the game, its very fitting since is the last Ford GT of current model (car that was cover on last few forzas)


Doesn't the wec game from MSG have rights to all LMh?
IMSA ones will be on Forza but probally at end of the year
 
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The summer tweet thing has hit reddit, and people in the replies are less than enthusiastic. Let's hope June builds some hype, cause it's pretty dead right now.
 
Intresting you say that beacuse this year is 100th year of LeMans and Xbox will be one of the sponsors this year once again
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Theres also this:

Porsche continues its anniversary celebrations just outside Stuttgart at Retro Classics. The leading trade fair for classic car culture takes place from 23 to 26 February. On 9 June, the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen will then open an extensive special exhibition. On 10 and 11 June, Porsche Germany will highlight the anniversary at the ‘Festival of Dreams’ at the Hockenheimring. At the Porsche Experience Center there, the sports car manufacturer will exhibit the history, present and future of the brand.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2023/company/porsche-75-years-sports-cars-success-story-31047.html
Sounds like a car announcement to me.

Just like when FM7 got to reveal the gt2rs to the world at E3 2017
 
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Huh...I was thinking maybe they'd reveal the new gt2 rs alongside fm8 a few days ago and then I dismissed the idea as too farfetched lmao, maybe we might actually see it happen though?
 
I thought about it and it's hilarious. Why don't we steal some chronitrons so that it'll be June already? (Yes I got that from a Futurama reference)

On a serious note, maybe we'll see some new Le Mans content? We had some of the wares to coincide the event.
Possible. I can't remember which title, but I believe there was a year in which T10 had a Forza Motorsport booth at Le Mans.
Shadowdrop at June 11 Showcase
This car will be the cover car of the game, its very fitting since is the last Ford GT of current model (car that was cover on last few forzas)



IMSA ones will be on Forza but probally at end of the year
Doubtful. It already graced the cover for FM6 because T10 got early access to the car before it debuted, similar to the P1 & GT2 RS, hence why it & the McLaren are on display at their offices.

Going by tradition, the cover car will be whatever the next big supercar is. Or, personally expecting since the game is supposed to be going back towards a more motorsport-oriented base, whatever the hottest race car is at the moment. Maybe the 963 based on T10's past solid relationship with Porsche.
 
future of the brand
Maybe they will announce the new Porsche Cup Eletric Car and this car will be in FM alongside Mission R? 🤔🤔🤔
They said on goodwood few years ago that Misson R was the besis of what would to be the new Porsche Cup series car

people in the replies are less than enthusiastic
Everyone is kinda meh beacuse of the RedFall thing + people trashing Forza for whatever reason they think on their minds
 
Maybe they will announce the new Porsche Cup Eletric Car and this car will be in FM alongside Mission R? 🤔🤔🤔
They said on goodwood few years ago that Misson R was the besis of what would to be the new Porsche Cup series car
I have a feeling they won't do an EV as the cover car, that'd make quite a few people angry.
 

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