Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread
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Not immediately. My preorder is showing as reserved on my credit card, so I expect it within a few days.
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A really brief explanation of convolution reverb, which would probably run fine on any Xbox unless they've actively recorded samples in 3D rather than stereo since they mention Atmos, which could up CPU usage a bit, hard to tell if they mean the same thing here from that wording.
How they blend the sound between us passing a grandstand really fast compared to empty space and back again at the next stand / bridge / tunnel will be interesting, especially if in 3D.
Basically if you record a click or clap in a big cathedral and just keep the recording of the sound that bounces back, it can then be multiplied with any new input sound, like a vocalist singing, or for us engines/tyres driving past. It saves more CPU and can be more realistic than using dedicated reverb units running their own algorithms of delays which might not sound exactly like a particularly shaped cathedral, or for us tunnel or pit lane.
I'm guessing they'll have went round all the real tracks recording these samples to use as the multiplier inputs for convolution in every part of the track, not too sure what they'll do for the made up tracks other than use somewhere fairly similar. Either that or they'll just settle for something that sounds realistic enough for the rough space types we'll pass for all tracks.
Pretty sure I saw Ian Bell suggest convolution was dated (interested to hear what they will use) when FM8 announced this, although it's definitely still used by the best reverb units in the software world to emulate some of the most expensive hardware units from back in the day which would have heavy duty algorithms that could technically be made into software but the original manufacturers generally don't, though sometimes allow others to use convolution under licence. Reverb units can also be 'stolen' in this way by getting a setting that's great, recording the click then using that, but without much option to alter as well as the original hardware/software unless it's recorded at every possibly setting like those using licences do to make the software versions.
FL Studio Convolver is probably the cheapest/free demo route to explore with decent online tutorials explaining it all better. LiquidSonics make the best, highly praised conversions under licence, along with some of their own, including more recently 3D stuff.
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Or Forza Motorsport no El Ocho.
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For me FM is looking and sounding good with what's been advised thus far. I will be interested to see how the race weekend will be implemented. Maybe a stretch but would love to see a next gen version of Camino Viejo de Montserrat. That was an amazing track and the scenery would look amazing in my humble opinion.
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Welcome to Forza Motorsport 8, the Vocho!
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Up next in 2027: Forza Motorsport Nueve: Revenge of Papa Fernando
"What matters is the physics, not the graphics"
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Poll: What are you most excited to hear more about in Forza Motorsport?
What are you most excited to hear more about in Forza Motorsport? poll If you selected Other please post your questions in this thread so we can monitor community interest: Be sure to read the announcement article published yesterday and watch our Forza Monthly livestream on Tuesday for a...
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Votes are open for what is most likely the themes for upcoming streams for FM.
currently only has 8 votes
the top 5 are (as on now):
Builders Cup Career Mode
Free Play
Post-Release Content
Car Upgrading and Tuning
Cars and Car Pass
Also these are the most asked questions so far on the forza forums (for a future FAQ session):
Question Summary and FAQ Answers
as of post 50| Subject | Question from thread |
|---|---|
| Audio / VO Engineer settings | Can you disable the “engineer” or whoever that was in the trailer talking and cheering me up? |
| Cars / Car count | What is the actual number of cars that’ll be in the game, and why won’t it be over 550? |
| Cars / Car types | Will there by any F1 cars from the 80/90s? Any IndyCars? |
| Cars / License / Post-launch | will there be a focus on bringing race cars from the current WEC and IMSA seasons to the game, at least in post-release updates if not at launch? |
| Cars / Starter choices | What will the starter cars be? |
| Cinematics / Cockpit Animation | What’s the max steering angle of the driver’s animations? Will there be 900 degree steering when using the cockpit view? |
| Cinematics / Replay | Will you be able to watch your last race with comments from a presentator like if you were watching TV ? |
| Connectivity | Can you play this game without an online connection requirement? |
| Creative / EventLab | Will the new Forza Motorsport have an event lab like we see in Forza Horizon 5? |
| Creative / Livery Editor | Will there be improvements to the livery editor to support things such as per-vinyl shape materials like chrome and others, and also vinyl shapes over trim pieces? |
| Creative / rental cars | Will we be able to choose car-specific default colors and perform car-specific default tuning on rental cars? |
| Economy / Loyalty Rewards | Do you know if there will be system that gives veteran players added cars and or credits at the start of the game like previous entries? |
| Editions / Demo | Will the game have a demo, just like FM7 and 6 did? |
| Editions / Premium benefits | What advantages will have the premium edition ? |
| Free Play / rental cars | Will Free Play have every car available as rental cars? |
| Gameplay / Custom racing | Will there be robust support for custom races, including upgraded ai cars and specific homologation settings (power limits, weight limits, displacement, engine type, etc)? |
| Gameplay / Drivatar behavior | What advancements have been made with singleplayer AI opponents? |
| Gameplay / Qualifying, FRR | Can we have qualifying and full Race Regulations in single player? |
| Gameplay / Team management | Will there be a team creation mode in the new Forza? Being able to manage sponsors? |
| Graphics / HDR | Will Forza Motorsport support native Dolby Vision HDR like Halo Infinite does? |
| Live content updates | Will it be seasonal updates with new cars or tracks ? |
| Multiplayer / Split Screen | Will it be possible to play in split screen ? |
| Multiplayer / Split Screen | How will it perform if split screen is added? How much resolution and frame rate? |
| PC requirements | What are the PC system requirements? |
| Performance / FPS | Will there be a 120 FPS performance mode for Xbox Series X and S? |
| Performance / FPS | Does it keep 1080p 60fps smoothly on Xbox Series S? |
| Performance / Resolution | Will there be a quality mode for both s/x? Like 1440/30 for series s and 4K/30 for series x? |
| Peripherals / PC | Any VR support planned at or post launch for the PC version? |
| Peripherals / TrackIR | Will there be TRackIR support? |
| Peripherals / Wheel | Is there an improvement in the experience when using a steering wheel for racing? |
| Peripherals / Wheel | Has wheel support improved over FM7? |
| Tracks | Will there be more new tracks updated? |
| Tracks | Are there any plans to include tracks that fans have asked for for years, such as Fujimi Kaido, and other fantasy tracks from the 360 games? |
| Tracks / Penalties | Have the inconsistencies in track limits and the game deciding you MUST have made contact with anyone within 0.8s of you, as well as an instant slowdown for deliberately jumping corners and chicanes, been sorted out? |
| UI | Is the UI final? |
| Upgrades / Race cars | What does “build” mean exactly, especially in refer to race cars? I’m curious since in previous Forza Motorsport games cars like these were usually basically unupgradeable |
| Upgrades / Tires | Will we be able to equip and change tyre letters (Michelin to Good Year for example) for race spec and road cars? |
You can ask your own questions here:
Official Forza Motorsport community questions thread
Official Forza Motorsport community questions thread On Sunday, 11 June 2023 during the Xbox Showcase we showed off a new trailer announcing the release date of 10 October 2023. Tune in on Tuesday 13 June 2023 for full walkthrough of our single player career gameplay during Forza Monthly...
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Sure, there is more detail. But in terms of color FM7 looks a lot more true to life, especially the sky? I guess due to the fact that they finally use a lighting and skydome system for 24h dynamic daytime and weather, they had to compromise looks for performance.
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Had to pick 'Post-Release Content' to hopefully learn more about future tracks, see it's top choice now after quite a few more votes.
From the Xbox app there's some slightly expanded descriptions when we select each DLC individually, mostly already covered here (the car pack in full) but just a few more words to help explain it all to some of us;
Forza Motorsport Welcome Pack
Give your Forza Motorsport career the ultimate jump-start with five immediate car unlocks and bonus credits that you can use towards purchasing a car. The Welcome Pack has everything you need to begin your career in the Modern Tour Championship with additional credits to help you acquire the car of your dreams.
Forza Motorsport VIP Membership
Enhance your Forza Motorsport experience with VIP Membership to receive exclusive rewards and boosts that help you stand out at the racetrack including a PERMANENT 2X CREDITS BOOST. Collect, build and race 5 specially modified custom Forza Edition cars reserved only for VIP Members, equip the exclusive VIP Driver Gear with 5 colourways to choose from, as well as a VIP Player Card and VIP Crown Flair, and enjoy additional perks both on and off the tarmac including VIP-exclusive Rivals events.
Forza Motorsport Race Day Car Pack (already detailed in this thread)
Race Day Car Pack features 8, new-to-Forza cars built exclusively for the racetrack including high-performance machines like the 2018 Acura #36 Gradient Racing NSX GT3 and the 2017 Vauxhall #66 Power Maxed TAG Racing Astra. Collect, build and race these powerful track legends of motorsport from day one.
Forza Motorsport Car Pass
Expand your Forza Motorsport garage with 30 extra cars at one low price! Car Pass delivers 30 new-to-Forza cars to your game weekly, one per week, for you to collect, build and race.
Your first redemption of every car in the Car Pass is granted at no additional in-game credit cost. Car Pass is included with Deluxe and Premium Editions, and the Premium Add-Ons Bundle.
Get the Forza Motorsport Car Pass today!
[Purchase options not available] for any idea on pricing.
Forgot to say, and this could be really useful for car modification in Car Builders that reverb could be cleverly used for different exhaust systems, possibly even in engine bays (but I can't see them taking supercars to bits to record engines in isolation due to cost).
I'm hoping we'll hear advanced sound inside and outside car views totally differently (or with options to let us hear whatever variant we want with whatever view we race with). Whether that changes when a window is missing or there's glass sliding from side to side to enhance the audio perception of G forces could be something special in Atmos. I'm not sure if we drive under a flipping car it'll have the sound go right over our heads but that'd be pretty special, despite bass having no discernible direction to human ears we'd still hear the low end above whatever (.1) frequency directionality happens.
It'll be interesting to hear also how other cars are processed, say we park or sit in a stand for replays near a tunnel and there's a hairpin behind us coming into the opposite side from the tunnel will it be blending all the cars coming round there with their own environmental convolutions, mixed in with the ones already racing through the tunnel/in other directions/different track areas? Or whether they'll only be able to give us our own car noise and cars next to us (which themselves should bounce our sound back the same as the visual reflections, to some extent).
Technically they could maybe even use the 3D map of tracks in a similar way to ray-tracing but within the sound spectrum to record the spaces virtually, then just convert whatever wizardry that would take into convolution to reduce CPU requirements per track area, but that'd be hyper advanced.
A trailer that focuses solely on car sound recordings like the chase scene in Bullitt in a creative fun/musical(?) way would rock.
Wasn't too keen on the stylised distortion effect choice used here either (if we can tone that down in a settings?), unless she's an actual robogirl who transforms into a hypercar after upgrades.
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Fine by me, FM4 is by far the best in the series, was a joy to navigate. Hopefully it's not the only inspiration they've taken from that game.
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Also quite surprised by its inclusion. But I would argue that it has historic relevance (in its IMSA livery though) as it won Petit Le Mans overall in 2015, the first (and I believe) only time a GT car achieved that.
As this car somewhat completes the 2014/15 IMSA GTLM field, I am really hoping for the possibility to almost manually create races. For example, I would like to be able to have 2 Corvette C7.R's, the two Z4 GTE's that were in Forza Motorsport 7, the Risi Ferrari 458, two Viper GTS-R's, and 2 Porsche 911 RSR's. And then throw in some of the prototypes from those years as well for a good multi-class race with dynamic time of day. That's basically all I want from this game.
Also, the inclusion of the 991.1 RSR makes me hopeful to see my favourite racing car get included: the Aston Martin Vantage GTE from 2012-2017. And apparently, wheel textures for the 2017 Vantage GTE (Le Mans GTE Pro winner that year) were found in Horizon 5 files
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These comments about colour of lighting crack me up. First of all there’s dynamic weather and time of day in the new FM. Secondly it was built from the start with HDR and global illumination in play: lighting will change every lap, and SDR YouTube videos really can’t display its splendor.
Thankfully anyone can try out FM(8) via game pass so it’s basically a permanent full game demo, so the real lighting on your high quality HDR TV will be visible.
Thankfully anyone can try out FM(8) via game pass so it’s basically a permanent full game demo, so the real lighting on your high quality HDR TV will be visible.
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VIP always existed on Forza, i think it is just a way to win money from uninformed people thinking that VIP is something important that you need for the game or some stupid thinking like that but at end of the day all you are paying for is for just a stupid crown next to your nickname and that is just about it...
Also most VIP Cars on older Forzas were just random cars that some default car with a good setup would easly beat them, nothjing to worry about
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In terms of races we didin’t get what we wanted in gt7, but gt7 offers a lot in career mode forza wont, like licenses, missions circuit experinces, forza as of late just have the races, but we still dont know yet what kind of career mode we will have in forza motorsport, until later today, i hope its good one and more simular to fm4, where you class racing, i also hope you start with slow car and build your way up
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Aren't mission circuits and weekly #Forzathon roughly equivalent to each other? Set tasks that you have to complete with a specific vehicle or group of vehicles?
I'm not sure as I haven't gone back to GT7 after the first week or so's play as once the café menus and most of the licence tests were done, I wasn't really sure what to do next and it was difficult to progress without amassing in game cash through excessive grinding.
It's a shame and a bit of a disappointment for me tbh as I was hoping to play the game for months, not days. Perhaps I should give it another chance but I don't use my PS4 for any other games so there's little incentive for me to boot it up.
I'm so glad I didn't buy the latest PS5 console to play it as I did with GT5 and PS3 at the time. I didn't play that game for very long either although GT6 was slightly better for me.
If FM2023 turns out to be a dud, at least I have quite a few other games on the Xbox to keep me occupied. I was surprised at how much I got out of FM7's career, though, so would expect to play the upcoming game for longer than I did GT.
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