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Just some thoughts on the monthly:
I felt like Esaki was just reading a script for most of this stuff, it didn't feel very natural and I kinda prefer when it feels like he is actually talking to us as opposed to reading at us... Minor quibble though.
I don't really like that GT/touring cars are the options for the permanent things... The Forza community has a lot of "fRoNt WhEeL dRiVe CaRs R sUx!1" attitude, and GT cars are done to death in every sim and "simcade" out there. Hopefully we aren't just stuck driving GT cars if we want full lobbies after the game loses its "new toy" shine and dies off a bit.
Will be interesting to see what the "spec" racing is like. Wonder if we get carefully balanced cars that stay fairly true to their roots, or if we get basically forced "homologated" Division builds from FM7, that weren't balanced well at all and featured some cars that were significantly altered from their normal performance range. Hopefully the former, as some cars drove much worse with a homologated build, for example the Audi TCR was a fantastic car to drive in its natural TCR spec, but when we piled all the extra power in it to speed it up to keep up with the TC1 cars in the "Forza Touring Cars" division, it wasn't nearly as nice to drive.
New track looks alright. Someone above mentioned Silverstone and there is definitely a bit of that in the track map, but based on what we have seen it's hard to say what it looks/feels like. Certainly looks more exciting than Eagle Rock. It looks like it should be a nice balanced track like Road Atlanta or something, where it's big enough to be used for fast cars, but not so big that slow cars feel extra slow. Looks like it only has one variant though, but it does look like the short version could still flow nicely, as corners onto and out of the pass-through don't look awkward.
The lap skip is a neat feature, but I have a feeling it will help feed bad habits for some of the playerbase. Messing up a lap early means you get to experiment with lines and learn for the rest of the lap and build rhythm up before starting another hot lap, but a lot of people will likely just skip to the end and learn nothing.
A little disappointed with how little of the options we got to see of the lobby setup. I get that those details are pretty specific and don't mean much to a lot of casuals, but it would have been nice to have an extra 30 seconds or so to show us the lobby setup screen a bit better.
Annoying to see that tires and fuel are still grouped together. I don't understand why we can't run a race with tires on but fuel off, or vice versa. In FM7 tires were almost never an issue because most cars ran out of fuel before their tires were worn out. Of course having individual tire wear and fuel burn multipliers like GT Sport had would solve this problem, but no mention of those unfortunately. Also didn't see/hear anything about forcing compounds, so we that we could force everyone onto the soft compound so we for sure have tire strategy.
I felt like Esaki was just reading a script for most of this stuff, it didn't feel very natural and I kinda prefer when it feels like he is actually talking to us as opposed to reading at us... Minor quibble though.
I don't really like that GT/touring cars are the options for the permanent things... The Forza community has a lot of "fRoNt WhEeL dRiVe CaRs R sUx!1" attitude, and GT cars are done to death in every sim and "simcade" out there. Hopefully we aren't just stuck driving GT cars if we want full lobbies after the game loses its "new toy" shine and dies off a bit.
Will be interesting to see what the "spec" racing is like. Wonder if we get carefully balanced cars that stay fairly true to their roots, or if we get basically forced "homologated" Division builds from FM7, that weren't balanced well at all and featured some cars that were significantly altered from their normal performance range. Hopefully the former, as some cars drove much worse with a homologated build, for example the Audi TCR was a fantastic car to drive in its natural TCR spec, but when we piled all the extra power in it to speed it up to keep up with the TC1 cars in the "Forza Touring Cars" division, it wasn't nearly as nice to drive.
New track looks alright. Someone above mentioned Silverstone and there is definitely a bit of that in the track map, but based on what we have seen it's hard to say what it looks/feels like. Certainly looks more exciting than Eagle Rock. It looks like it should be a nice balanced track like Road Atlanta or something, where it's big enough to be used for fast cars, but not so big that slow cars feel extra slow. Looks like it only has one variant though, but it does look like the short version could still flow nicely, as corners onto and out of the pass-through don't look awkward.
The lap skip is a neat feature, but I have a feeling it will help feed bad habits for some of the playerbase. Messing up a lap early means you get to experiment with lines and learn for the rest of the lap and build rhythm up before starting another hot lap, but a lot of people will likely just skip to the end and learn nothing.
A little disappointed with how little of the options we got to see of the lobby setup. I get that those details are pretty specific and don't mean much to a lot of casuals, but it would have been nice to have an extra 30 seconds or so to show us the lobby setup screen a bit better.
Annoying to see that tires and fuel are still grouped together. I don't understand why we can't run a race with tires on but fuel off, or vice versa. In FM7 tires were almost never an issue because most cars ran out of fuel before their tires were worn out. Of course having individual tire wear and fuel burn multipliers like GT Sport had would solve this problem, but no mention of those unfortunately. Also didn't see/hear anything about forcing compounds, so we that we could force everyone onto the soft compound so we for sure have tire strategy.
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Multiplayer varities of their sport mode has me listening.
Look at the themes.
Honestly good play from T10.
Look at the themes.
Honestly good play from T10.
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So does private multiplayer have ai?
Also consoles do get RT (inspite of that Nissan z video not having any)
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I don't believe it's impossible, regardless of what Digital Foundry have to say. Hopefully they can make use of FSR 2.0.
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The fact that FM will do 4k60 (presumably with an upscaler like fsr 2) with RT reflections (similar to RT extreme in FH5) probably means you can expect system requirements close to FH5.
This also inclused the 4k30 RTGI cutscenes, garage and replays.
This also inclused the 4k30 RTGI cutscenes, garage and replays.
I think they already are. A lot of stuff in the Dev Direct video like the fences getting smudged, shimmering etc. point towards an FSR implementation.
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True, but they didn't seem to mention FSR at all.
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@ProjectWHaT has provided detailed summaries of the last two Forza Monthlies in this thread in case you haven't watched those streams. While there are still a few questions regarding multiplayer and the career mode experience mechanic, it seems to me that they've provided a lot more answers than questions so far.
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Given that the price of entry is simply 1 month of gamepass, I just don’t see why pre-evaluating a game like this is even needed.
Just try it when it launches via game pass. Or buy it if you are someone who always preorders Forza like me because you have faith in the developers
Just try it when it launches via game pass. Or buy it if you are someone who always preorders Forza like me because you have faith in the developers
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They said that only featured wouldnt have beacuse of its due competitve nature
its probally obivus that they will put on custom lobbies
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I've no idea what you're on about
If you want to upload something, go ahead
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I mean i have no problem with people criticing the game or telling they expected something different. But this guy has only posted how he is not interested and Turn10 false promises or how its not gonna be anything different compared to older titles. Which is hilarious since they talked about lots of new stuff that was not in the older games with all the other improvements.
Also about Horizon
It almost seems like he doesn't like Forza 🤔(which is fine tbh everybody has there own personal taste).
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Even your screenshots are classy @turk1993. Gotta love dark modeI mean i have no problem with people criticing the game or telling they expected something different. But this guy has only posted how he is not interested and Turn10 false promises or how its not gonna be anything different compared to older titles. Which is hilarious since they talked about lots of new stuff that was not in the older games with all the other improvements.
Also about Horizon
It almost seems like he doesn't like Forza 🤔(which is fine tbh everybody has there own personal taste).
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His video made the same point I touched on earlier, the XP system limits player freedom when it comes to custom/private racing, straight-up calls it an awful design choice.
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It's the same guy who absolutely obsesses over VR in GT7 meanwhile basically turning a blind eye to every glaring issue the game has. Oh, and only posts in the Forza forum to remind everyone how much he doesn't care about Forza.
Well hey, Forza might not have VR with a $1,000+ entry barrier, but it does have single player content. Will it be good single player content? We'll have to wait and see, but beating GT7 in that regard is a pretty low bar.
EDIT: I want to add some more context so it doesn't sound like I'm just dismissing VR entirely. I'm sure the VR experience in GT7 is great, I imagine it could add some new life to the game just by jumping in a bunch of different cars on different tracks and immersing yourself in them, but that's "it". Does VR fix the game's horribly unbalanced and grindy economy? No. Does VR fix the worst AI you've ever seen in a modern racing game? No. Does VR fix the game's clunky menu structure and UI inconveniences? No. Does VR fix the game's outdated road and race car list? No. Does VR fix the shallow and very uninspired campaign mode that is GT Cafe? No. And as a result, does someone like me, a PS4 user, feel enticed to spend over $1,000 on a PS5 and PSVR2 to fix none of those issues? God no. Again, I'm certain VR could be a great experience and I would at least try it if given the opportunity, but it doesn't fix ANY of the core problems that plague Gran Turismo 7. And no, no amount of going on and on about it incessantly will suddenly change anyone's mind.
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Wow. So are we once again using the "old hardware is the issue" excuse? Whatever happened to the "power of the cloud" hmmm. I must say I am...disappointed but not surprised. This game is really feeling like that FM5 felt on the XB1, a sort of...prologue game, before the full version of FM6 came out. Am I way off on this? That game also felt like a reboot as does this one. I dunno. Trying to remain positive but it's starting to get harder.
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I could understand some people would be upset about splitscreen not making it at launch. But we also have to remember how GT7's splitscreen mode is basically broken and how PD doesn't give a damn about fixing it. T10 seems to have their priorities in a place that is most important: the single player modes and online multiplayer, which is totally understandable. Multiplayer especially needs to have as much priority as possible since that is where most players are going to be in. But at the same time, I'm so so glad T10 hasn't forgotten about its offline players, unlike GT7.
I just like that T10 have made a focus for the Motorsport series. Besides, I'd rather have class-based rivals over splitscreen anyday, unlike in FM7 which was the total opposite.
I just like that T10 have made a focus for the Motorsport series. Besides, I'd rather have class-based rivals over splitscreen anyday, unlike in FM7 which was the total opposite.
Let's not forget how T10 ACTUALLY COMMUNICATES with its fans and doesn't leave them in the dark like PD does on a regular basis. All that VR talk and yet GT7 still doesn't feel like a 'game' worth playing.
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This game doesn't sound like it'll be quite as barebones on launch as FM5 was.
Poopies incoming...
Last time I saw the inside of an ambulance in virtual reality was when my mate fell over in the pub after a heavy drinking session. It was on the NHS so cost a lot less than a grand though.
(Don't worry, they soon had him back on his feet.)
Splitscreen never worked for me. If I get the top screen the other player's view puts me off as I tend to look at the ground ahead when racing.
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Splitscreen gaming is great. Playing Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with my family using 4 players split screen is probably one of my fondest racing game memories so far.
For a game like Forza Motorsport though, not that big of a loss I think. It's disappointing but I can understand why that was first in the line to get cut out.
For a game like Forza Motorsport though, not that big of a loss I think. It's disappointing but I can understand why that was first in the line to get cut out.
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