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I will agree that RSC2 does look nice but most of the normal screenshots that float around are nowhere near as nice as these uber high res show off pics.
I can easily shove anti aliasing, bump mapping and shedloads of other things on at 1600x1200 in some game and take a screenshot... you don't need 60fps to take a screenshot. If the game looked as good as it does above whilst running then I'd be impressed.
I definitely prefer Richard Burns Rally in comparison...
As for GT4... check out that Celica video on the nurb... although it's short that looks extremely nice, and it's moving footage... not some stupid beefed up screenshot.
Everything in GT4 looks 'right'... the textures may not be as high res as on the Xbox and it may not have bump mapping.. but it clearly doesn't need it.
Pak made some comparison above relating to Doom 3... I'd say that most Xbox racers are akin to Doom 3... and GT4 is akin to Half Life 2... Doom 3 technically uses more new technology and requires more power to run, but does it really look better? I don't think so.
HL2 is another game to be placed beside GT4 in the right way to make a game look box.
I can easily shove anti aliasing, bump mapping and shedloads of other things on at 1600x1200 in some game and take a screenshot... you don't need 60fps to take a screenshot. If the game looked as good as it does above whilst running then I'd be impressed.
I definitely prefer Richard Burns Rally in comparison...
As for GT4... check out that Celica video on the nurb... although it's short that looks extremely nice, and it's moving footage... not some stupid beefed up screenshot.
Everything in GT4 looks 'right'... the textures may not be as high res as on the Xbox and it may not have bump mapping.. but it clearly doesn't need it.
Pak made some comparison above relating to Doom 3... I'd say that most Xbox racers are akin to Doom 3... and GT4 is akin to Half Life 2... Doom 3 technically uses more new technology and requires more power to run, but does it really look better? I don't think so.
HL2 is another game to be placed beside GT4 in the right way to make a game look box.
omg
i played the Forza demo
this game absolutly SUCK.... its a good Sega GT competitor.... but its no where near GT4...
the car model look like ****. even last year's Project Gotham Racing 2 have way better modelling then this. graphically, it looked like putting Sega GT comparing with GT4.... anyone with the right mind can tell which one looked better.
adding bodykit is a retarded feature if u made the car looked like NFS Underground. the GT wing was just a flat piece of polygon that was stuck on to the trunk.
i turned the game off before i even finished 2 laps in the demo and went back to GT4 ....
i might give the final version a try.... but it can never match Gran Tursimo series...
i played the Forza demo
this game absolutly SUCK.... its a good Sega GT competitor.... but its no where near GT4...
the car model look like ****. even last year's Project Gotham Racing 2 have way better modelling then this. graphically, it looked like putting Sega GT comparing with GT4.... anyone with the right mind can tell which one looked better.
adding bodykit is a retarded feature if u made the car looked like NFS Underground. the GT wing was just a flat piece of polygon that was stuck on to the trunk.
i turned the game off before i even finished 2 laps in the demo and went back to GT4 ....
i might give the final version a try.... but it can never match Gran Tursimo series...
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RBR really isn't a patch on it what so ever.
RSC2 really is a stunning game, it's hard to accept how good it really does look, until ya play it yourself on a good tele. The only difference between the shot I showed, and the game, is that the game obviously isn't that sharp. That's it.
But it does. No harm in making it look even better XD
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- un_peacekeeper
SymtexGT3 :
RSC2 :
now tell me again who looks better ? who has jaggies ? come on..
u can see jabs in the RSC2 screen, the mountains.
and CMR 2005 rally games gotta be better, trust me...i played it the damage is way better.
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Hyde
so you're saying that fuzzy, smeared textures make games look better, the world really is crazy. People will go to such lengths to deny the obvious. It's all there to be seen everytime you load it up. Just play both games, and if you have any tv that shows a decent image, it's instantly a better looking game.
It looks better. Some may like GT's car modelling better (I do), but the game has better graphics. Plain and freaking simple. It's a big leap too, like comparing dreamcast racers to current PS2 racers. Technology helps, like it or not.
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kinigitt
I'll take that one square on the chin. Good point. But I still don't belive Forza can best GT3. PD's had seven years to fine-tune Gran Turismo, and I don't see some new jack (the game/franchise, not the developer) dethroning it on it's first go.
kinigitt
because GT3 actually looks more realistic then paper thing texture on polygons.
i'm sure PD would make the game as high res as possible, but there is a limit on the PS2. they rather have a more realistic looking game then a game with worst modelling, and bad use of texture. there is the sharpness in the graphics, but there is no depth. because u can see the texture so well that it doesnt look 3D and it makes u see it more clearly that is a flat picture of rocks
Play what you like. Who cares if Forza de-thrones GT from its perch at the top of the mountain. If you like it, fine! If you don't, fine!
Hell, I think GT has a "player-friendly" physics engine, but it is far from being the most realistic racing sim that they claim to be. I think that title should be resereved for Grand Prix Legends. But that's my opinion.
David
Hell, I think GT has a "player-friendly" physics engine, but it is far from being the most realistic racing sim that they claim to be. I think that title should be resereved for Grand Prix Legends. But that's my opinion.
David
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WeAreN1nja
I don't beleive it will either, to be perfectly frank. But I'm glad they're making the effort. Practice makes perfect. To completely dismiss all the upstarts is to guarantee the leader becomes fat and complacent (much like the Gt series on the PS2. None have been compelling enough or even available here in North America to warrant the sky-high praise.) while continuing unchallenged.
As has being shown in the above page, people completely overlook the obvious talents of some developers because they're so accustomed to saying Gran Turismo is the best. I truly believe that, until Gran Turismo 4 is released, there are better racing games out there because the competition is finally catching up, and there's a lot more than before.
Then again, almost every bit of info on Gran Turismo gets me all giddy. That's what makes a great game (or a tremendous dissapointment, like Gran Turismo 3).
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Japanese developers do develop better games and more attention to details. u can see how lack of little details in Forza when compare to GT4.
Quality is the number one thing in Japan. thats not the case in america or europe. just look at the cars.... i wont even use American brand vs Japanese brand. just the quality between American made Nissan is a big difference from the Japanese made Nissans.
in Japan, if anything doesnt work as well during production, the works will fix it before letting a inperfect product release.
in america, if the same happen, they will pretend they did not see it and continue with the next car.
Japanese developers do develop better games and more attention to details. u can see how lack of little details in Forza when compare to GT4.
Quality is the number one thing in Japan. thats not the case in america or europe. just look at the cars.... i wont even use American brand vs Japanese brand. just the quality between American made Nissan is a big difference from the Japanese made Nissans.
in Japan, if anything doesnt work as well during production, the works will fix it before letting a inperfect product release.
in america, if the same happen, they will pretend they did not see it and continue with the next car.
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Hyde
My point is, play the game, instead of judging from still shots, and you will realise the error of your words. Or shamelessly deny you were wrong in the first place.
Your choice.
there is a difference between simply having better graphics, and just looking better . I can explain further, but if you want to hear it just PM me, we're wasting thread here.
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"also Japanese developers do develop better games and more attention to details. u can see how lack of little details in Forza when compare to GT4.
Quality is the number one thing in Japan. thats not the case in america or europe. just look at the cars.... i wont even use American brand vs Japanese brand. just the quality between American made Nissan is a big difference from the Japanese made Nissans.
in Japan, if anything doesnt work as well during production, the works will fix it before letting a inperfect product release.
in america, if the same happen, they will pretend they did not see it and continue with the next car."
Okay, you just lost all credibility there. Yeesh, prejudice again the reason people slag off on games.
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I don't believe that GT is withoug reproach. Gran Turismo has always been a "flawed" racing game. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a racing game that has worse opponent AI; One car pulls ahead, the others form a conga line a few seconds behind. But I always viewed as a driving game, not a racing game. A game you monkey around with settings until you pull the fastest laps in cars other games wouldn't include.
Forza may actually be a better racer, but GT4 will remain the better driver. Either way, come 2/2/05, when both games are released, I won't sleep for days.
Forza may actually be a better racer, but GT4 will remain the better driver. Either way, come 2/2/05, when both games are released, I won't sleep for days.
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WeAreN1njaI don't believe that GT is withoug reproach. Gran Turismo has always been a "flawed" racing game. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a racing game that has worse opponent AI; One car pulls ahead, the others form a conga line a few seconds behind. But I always viewed as a driving game, not a racing game. A game you monkey around with settings until you pull the fastest laps in cars other games wouldn't include.
Forza may actually be a better racer, but GT4 will remain the better driver. Either way, come 2/2/05, when both games are released, I won't sleep for days.
that sorta makes sense in a way. GT4 is something that has a deeper impact, but forza aims to be more of a visceral, direct video game affair. I really need to try out GT4, the suspense is killing me (no prologue).
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SlipZtrEm
the A.I. has actually been pretty good. Not as good as TOCA2, but it's definitely a step up from the drones from past GT games.
Having logged a few hours with the demo, they really have a track presence, and occasionally do stupid things. Which actually means they're more unpredictable and life-like. That's the point of A.I., isnt it? If you race people online, people screw up sometimes, race cleaner lines with more experience, and generally act unpredictably, so races are always different.
In gt3, it was a test of endurance to keep your eyes open as you swerved past 5 robotic "opponents" for umpteen laps to unlock the secret car that was actually just a regular model with a different colour. Time trial, and multiplayer were the only enjoyable things in the game. The a.i. was a waste, and the events always felt like a chore. A.I. in a game that isnt heavily centered around multiplay is absolutely critical.
GT appeals to car fans, the cars themselves are the attractions. The cars alone are worth purchasing the game for, but it isnt enough to make it a great, noteworthy game. Actually playing the "game" as it was supposed to in single player was not fulfilling, at least for me.
Basically, the crappy A.I. ruined that game for me. Forza's is fun to race against, therefore, it's not "complete ass". Then again, the demo has serious flaws in other areas, but the A.I. is not one of them.
You haven't played the game, so hearing you say it has "complete ass" A.I. is more irritating than insightful or helpful.
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And that's why I believe that Gt4 will deliver more entertainment in racing. GT2's AI wasn't AI at all, They were just cars that was in your way to get into first place, and If GT3 is the same way, I not even gonna consider buying it. If GT4 is basically a major upgrade to GT3, then the're is no reason for me to buy it.
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kinigitt
Exactly. I haven't participated in an actual race in over a year, but I'll run time trials against my ghosts several times a week. But, I'm a car fanatic and I'll run lap after lap and marvel at the difference between the way the RX-7 handles after running a Skyline. I doubt I'll be able to say that about Forza.
Then again, I haven't really been impressed with any of the 'Box's "exclusive" titles. [Keep in mind that] This is my humble opinion, but none Microsoft's exclusive stuff (with the exception of Halo, which I'm not a fan of) has turned it's respective genre on it's ear. Their first-party sports titles (which have subsequently been scrapped), never posed a threat to EA or ESPN, Tao Feng didn't land any punches in the fighting arena (but held it's own in the softcore porn category) and Sudeki was a footnote in the annals of RPG history. That's the main reason why Forza won't be the "be all, end all". Though the clerks at my local game shop swear it'll stomp all over GT because Microsoft shelled out the duckets for Ferrari and Porsche...
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- un_peacekeeper
kinigitt
hey it's really weird how u r comparing a game, RCM2, with a game made years before it, GT3. so stfu. technology improves
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- un_peacekeeper
WeAreN1njaI don't believe that GT is withoug reproach. Gran Turismo has always been a "flawed" racing game. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a racing game that has worse opponent AI; One car pulls ahead, the others form a conga line a few seconds behind. But I always viewed as a driving game, not a racing game. A game you monkey around with settings until you pull the fastest laps in cars other games wouldn't include.
Forza may actually be a better racer, but GT4 will remain the better driver. Either way, come 2/2/05, when both games are released, I won't sleep for days.
i don't get why ppl assume outdated technology onto new tech like GT4
just like my previous post - TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES OVER TIME DAMMIT!
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un_peacekeeper
True, but this will be the fourth, fifth, or sixth game in the series depending on where you live, and GT has always had all but non-existent AI...
