Forza

[code_kev]

The faces in hl2 were gobsmacking I thought.

"It's a style of painting that became prominent in the 1970's. Artists render subjects with sharp, photographic precision. Extraordinary detail, tremendously subtle range of values and objective physical accuracy. Finished works of art look as if they are a photo, even though several photos may have been combined to complete the work of art. Sometimes the term Trompe l' oeiil is connected with this style. It is French meaning "fool the eye."

To fool the eye in to thinking it's real. I'm not fooled.

I do think it's good though, just not quite as amazing as you make out. I'm not making Gt4 out to be unrealistic looking, as it certainly has moments where it's like "blimey, that looks great".

 

[cobragt]

I do think it's good though, just not quite as amazing as you make out.

This can be said about you and hl2, rsc2, or forza See how easy it is to counteract someone

 

[code_kev]

Yeah but the difference is I've actually played em all. And you aint, thus I kinda know what I'm on about. Your going off touched up screenshots, and you don't like the fact that I said some thing that didn't jump on your "GT4 is the best" bandwagon.

My judgements are from playing the games, just remember that while I said that the Nurb on GT4 didn't look as nice, it did look more realistic (due to the darker shadows), it just lacked some of the nicer details found in PGR2, that is all.

 

[cobragt]

I have played forza, the demo, rsc2, and hl2, pgr2 aswell., so your little point is flawed.

 

[code_kev]

I have played forza, the demo, rsc2, and hl2, pgr2 aswell., so your little point is flawed.

I notice that any of the gt4 demos aint in that list. FFS all I said was that the nurb just looked a little rough, I didn't say it was crap. IT IS A LITTLE ROUGH, 2d trees, bad textures. It just is. I didn't say it looked crap, it didn't, it looke fine. All I made was a small observation.

 

[cobragt]

Well I'm making observations aswell damnit! People like us are the reason why there are political parties But dont think you are off my hot water list code, I'm gonna be watching everything you say, I missed the little comment about pgr2's nurb looking better than gt4's

 

[98cobra]

I have to say, I have yet to experience a moment in any game where that is apparent. The most realistic looking game I've EVER seen is half life 2, mainly because of the faces etc. Games aint gonna look photo realistic for a long time, elements of Gt4 do look realistic for a game granted, but other elements look pretty damn awful when compared to real life. Games are FAR to clean looking, lack the detail, the texture, the colour, the lighting etc etc to look anywhere near like a photo for me.

GT4 SHOT!!!!

Look at the emotion!

Comparing this to a game is OFC totally unfair, but it demonstrates why I think that when presented with high quality screenshots of Gt4, you would have to be a FOOL to think it's real.

PS4 and X-Box 3 would probably look like that.

 

[tiptopcream]

This war still raging on why? It's been proven with the demo Forza is no match for the King of console racing. So shouldn't this topic be off loaded somewhere else, and not located in the same vicinity as the elite (GT4 board)? The topic is like a pesky fly you can't get rid of... somebody please swat it for me.

 

[code_kev]

*swats tiptopcream*

 

[tiptopcream]

*swats tiptopcream*

Just stating the truth if people are blind to this, then that's their problem.

*Whistles*

 

[code_kev]

I'd say it was you who was blind tbh. I just like other games along side Gt, simple as.

 

[Ubiquitous]

Oh well Symtex.. I can honestly say I couldn't care less about Ferrari being in GT4... likewise with Porsche... we have RUF who actually make Porsche's fun and they do me fine. As for no Ferrari's, I'm gonna have far more fun in the Volvo 240 estate to bother caring about Ferrari's... or perhaps I'd just drive one of the many other strange and wonderful cars that are in GT4. Supercars get so boring so quickly.

 

[BlackZ28]

I wish GT4 had a 1984 Ferrari 288 GTO.

 

[FozzyFan116]

Dont forget guys that we haven't seen any new forza shots in over a month now, and the ones from mid-november were absolutely jaw-dropping compared to the early shots. I'm thinking that the step up from the early shots to the most recent shots is a HUGEEEEE jump, and I can only imagine what they have done recently to make it more realistic.

Compare these three shots.

MOST RECENT: 11.22.04

STILL RECENT: 10.14.04

OLDER: 9.15.04

OLD: 8.18.04

OLD: 8.4.04

OLDEST: 7.22.04

super super old: 5.7.04

My point by posting all of these shots is to show that the game has improved DRASTICALLY in the past 4 months, and I expect another drastic improvement coming up, with a new slew of good shots. Don't underestimate forza, remember, they still have 2 more months left of development. And we haven't seen any *NEW* shots.

Those are all high res doctored images. You may as well take GT4 photo mode pics and brag about them.

 

[FozzyFan116]

actually there are many benifits to both design but, the xbox does have a tried and true design, while the ps2 works of the idea of do many small things and do them fast, xbox is brute force.

problem is ps2 didnt see the xbox coming, and in terms of the ps1 is a HUGE improvement, but in terms of raw power it seemed like they missed something, they put fast ram but only put a little, for whatever reason they did, if the ps2 had memory like the xbox in all accounts and had one more cpu or VU to do its media it would be a whole nother ball game, although thats what ps3 is trying to do.

Nonesense. The PS2 was built to outclass the Dreamcast in terms of raw power and did just that. While taking raw power into consideration, you do realize PS2 has a more potent CPU? Not exactly faster than Xbox's but more potent per MHz Xbox lacks bus bandwidth and it shows. Why do you think the best looking Xbox games tend to run at 30fps (And lower) while the best looking PS2 games usually run at 60? The PS2's problem isn't the lack of VRAM. What it lacks is texture compression, but that's irrelevant. Xbox has absolutally no VRAM at all as a matter of fact. PS2 was built with an ultra potent CPU (EE) to stream data fast off the DVD which it does extremely well. Xbox has more DRAM than PS2 I believe if that's what you mean by memory, but that doesn't have anything to do with textures at all in most cases. It's silly to say "they should have done this and should have done that". Sure, Sega SHOULD have made the Dreamcast more powerful so it could equal or upstage PS2. Microsoft SHOULD make Xbox 2 uber freakin explosively powerful so teh evil Sony has no chance of outdoing them with PS3. But in reality (Our reality, not yours) companies are always thinking with $$$$ in mind, it's business. As time goes on, technologies become less expensive to produce making things more cost effective. Did you know that for the first year (Or more) that Xbox was on shelves, Microsoft didn't make a dime off it? They relied entirely on software sales for profit because the Xbox was not cost effective at the time, but having the most powerful console was so much more important. Really what they did (and are doing) with Xbox is punching their way into the console gaming industry, creating good brand name recognition for future endeavors such as Xbox 2 and so on. The point is, newer=better. Xbox has a little over one year on PS2 from a technological standpoint and it shows. PS2 had a 1 year hardware advantage over DreamCast and IT shows, see the pattern? Ps3 will likely upstage Xbox 2 technologically. You look like a fool insinuating that PS2 should have been this and that and stating that "Sony didn't see Xbox coming". They did, they just didn't care.

but even though it was barely a year apart, i am supprised they didnt use more memory the common pc at that time had huge memory, yes it has fast ram but little of it, they figured streaming rather than caching and in huge textures caching is essential, i just dont think sony thought of it, i dont know how they missed it, i just dont know which is a shame because i do like the ps2's openedness but with little support of how to go about things sony also hindered themselves hope they dont do that with the PS3 cuz i do look foward to that machine along with X2.

Please, stop acting all impartial cause I know you're not. When you make ridiculous claims like "PS2 can't do anti-aliasing and "GT4's framerate will be unstable", your GT and PS2 fan disguise comes flying off revealing the moronic troll beneath.

 

[kinigitt]

Nonesense. The PS2 was built to outclass the Dreamcast in terms of raw power and did just that. While taking raw power into consideration, you do realize PS2 has a more potent CPU? Not exactly faster than Xbox's but more potent per MHz Xbox lacks bus bandwidth and it shows. Why do you think the best looking Xbox games tend to run at 30fps (And lower) while the best looking PS2 games usually run at 60? The PS2's problem isn't the lack of VRAM. What it lacks is texture compression, but that's irrelevant. Xbox has absolutally no VRAM at all as a matter of fact. PS2 was built with an ultra potent CPU (EE) to stream data fast off the DVD which it does extremely well. Xbox has more DRAM than PS2 I believe if that's what you mean by memory, but that doesn't have anything to do with textures at all in most cases. It's silly to say "they should have done this and should have done that". Sure, Sega SHOULD have made the Dreamcast more powerful so it could equal or upstage PS2. Microsoft SHOULD make Xbox 2 uber freakin explosively powerful so teh evil Sony has no chance of outdoing them with PS3. But in reality (Our reality, not yours) companies are always thinking with $$$$ in mind, it's business. As time goes on, technologies become less expensive to produce making things more cost effective. Did you know that for the first year (Or more) that Xbox was on shelves, Microsoft didn't make a dime off it? They relied entirely on software sales for profit because the Xbox was not cost effective at the time, but having the most powerful console was so much more important. Really what they did (and are doing) with Xbox is punching their way into the console gaming industry, creating good brand name recognition for future endeavors such as Xbox 2 and so on. The point is, newer=better. Xbox has a little over one year on PS2 from a technological standpoint and it shows. PS2 had a 1 year hardware advantage over DreamCast and IT shows, see the pattern? Ps3 will likely upstage Xbox 2 technologically. You look like a fool insinuating that PS2 should have been this and that and stating that "Sony didn't see Xbox coming". They did, they just didn't care.



Please, stop acting all impartial cause I know you're not. When you make ridiculous claims like "PS2 can't do anti-aliasing and "GT4's framerate will be unstable", your GT and PS2 fan disguise comes flying off revealing the moronic troll beneath.

my console can do the dishes. the next generation is said to also do laundry. I can't wait.

Good, now that the issue is settled... Everyone shut up and go play some dreamcast. That's the best console of this generation.

 

[FozzyFan116]

my console can do the dishes. the next generation is said to also do laundry. I can't wait.

Good, now that the issue is settled... Everyone shut up and go play some dreamcast. That's the best console of this generation.

I hope the PS3 can turn stupid people into intelligent ones with the flick of a switch, it'd be the first thing I'd buy for wolverine

 

[Hyde]

but will you able to drive this car in GT4 ?

i feel really happy for u that u can enjoy this car in Forza

i prefer driving the real thing tho.

 

[Hyde]

No...it's the wheels, the ride height, and the pastel-red color. I've seen better quality pics of it...still looks like @ss.

excactly. look at the Impreza in Forza and compare it with the one in GT4.... u can see how much more detail is put into just the head lights on the one in GT4

 

[Hyde]

innovative huh? how about realworld tuning? something GT4 has yet to have. How about damage that actually affects aerodynamics and everything else. Not in GT4. How about online play? Not in GT4. how about the community live is going to have. Not in GT4. The paint schemes? not in GT4. Tire Marks? how about ones that stay for entire race and affect car handling ie marbles and grooves? Not in GT4.

because KY actually respect the cars and wont make it ugly

the car damage in Forza looks retarded. even PGR2 had better damage modelling.

 

[Lamp]

HOLY ****, I'm so gonna buy Forza now, trade in my PS2 for Xbox and buy Forza, BECAUSE MAN!!!!! You can drive crappy modelled Ferraris in it!!!!

 

[Lamp]

code_kev you're just as big fanboy to Forza than cobra is to GT4.

CONGRATZ!

 

[amar212]

Forza blah, first game and they will learn nothing from it.

Same as PGR - when you already speak about Dreamcast - who learned nothing even since the Metropolis time, and all they've done in 6 years was releasing two indeticaly crappy games on the endeavour of the first game, without even considering making it better.

But, some light will be given by Konami's Enthusia Pro Racing who has just been given an Japanese release date of 17th March. Can't wait to compare SLRs on Nurb with GT4 and EPR.

 

[TriplePlay]

HOLY ****, I'm so gonna buy Forza now, trade in my PS2 for Xbox and buy Forza, BECAUSE MAN!!!!! You can drive crappy modelled Ferraris in it!!!!

That's pretty much what I did, and I don't regret it. Halo 2 is worth $300 to me, the game is just THAT good. The only good game i see on the ps2 right now is GT4 and MGS3. Just MY OPINION, no flames intended. (or needed back )

 

[code_kev]

Ummm Lamp, I actually though the Gt4 demos were better then Forza, try reading the other posts before storming on here.
Idiot.

Why do you think the best looking Xbox games tend to run at 30fps

The ones that tend to run ar 30fps tend to be games that the ps2 could never run anyway, like riddick and doom 3.

 

[Lamp]

You say GT4 is better than Forza, yet you bash it in every possible way?

When someone says something good about GT4, you bash him.
When someone says something bad about Forza, you bash him.

 

[code_kev]

I said the Nurb looked abit rough, hardly bashing it. I even said that forza looked rough as hell, and lacked the level of polish Gt4 did, but seeing as your on your little "GT4 pwnz all" crusade, you obviously missed that.
I only bash people when they are talking crap, your my target for today.

I'm harsher on GT4 as the expectations are very high, oops looks like you've been shot down.

ama212, MSR was a cool game! Pgr1 wasn't too hot, but pgr2 was great fun! Tsk

 

[Lamp]

True, you didn't bash GT4's Nurb, but you made PGR's Nurb sound like it was ungodly, with all the 3D trees and stuff, better feel and more alive stuff.

I'm harsher on GT4 as the expectations are very high, oops looks like you've been shot down.

Forza's expecations aren't high? And how the **** am I shot down? I have't even said anything about GT4 in this board yet (except I said to wolverin that GT4 will be 60 fps locked with no framedrops). The only bad thing I have said about Forza is the crappy looking models, wich everyone will agree with.

Yet everything you have said is how unpolished GT4 is, how it lacks this and that, yet every other post you say how good Forza is and how good it will be? Look's like your little "Forza to rule 'em all" crusade was just shot down.

Oh, I forgot something, Forza is better than GT4.

 

[code_kev]

I said Gt4 was un polished? BW AHAHAHAHAHAH. Ok your a new member, I'll forgive you, but in future, don't talk crap about me ok?

I said forza was good, I hardly said it was the UBER KING of racing games. And look, your making stuff up now, awww. Listen, I said that the PGR2 ring looked nicer, big deal, but if you bothered to read, I said that the GT4 one was much better to race. Shot down once again chumo. Comedy, I'm being called a forza fan boy hahah, not bad considering I think Gt4 is gonna be better.

"oh look, code_kev was mean and nasty about GT4, I'm gonna have a big cry about it, and posts bollocks on the forum before reading the other posts, or really taking anything in"

 

[Lamp]

Sorry kev, you're the master of un-bias, you're not a fanboy. Sorry, I have mistaken, forgive me for being stupid, ok?