Forza

[super supra]

But Forza cars dont have realistic handling like GT4 have, its made up what ive heard of.

Anyway i think it will be a good game, it wont beat GT4 yet. Anyone notice that the GT series have a bit "dull" feeling compared to Forza. Forza have better light in game.

Forza

 

[Pillo-san]

So funny when Conan Played behinde the wheel..Anybody thinking of batman returns when pingwin took control over batmans car.....haha...so funny.....but so embarrasing for the forza team.... but the game looked so nice.....

 

[Ubiquitous]

But Forza cars dont have realistic handling like GT4 have, its made up what ive heard of.

Anyway i think it will be a good game, it wont beat GT4 yet. Anyone notice that the GT series have a bit "dull" feeling compared to Forza. Forza have better light in game.

Forza

Way to go... lets compare a doctored screenshot of Laguna Seca looking bright and sunny in the desert or wherever it is... to a fairly bland undoctored screenshot of GT4 on the nurburgring... It's quite obvious that GT4's ring is not setup to be a tropical uber bright spectacularly coloured circuit.. it's meant to be pretty dull.. that's what it 's like most of the time in reality.. it rains there a great deal etc.

 

[Dave A]

But Forza cars dont have realistic handling like GT4 have, its made up what ive heard of.

Unfounded comments like this are not wnated, unbiased people that have played Forza mostly are in agreement the handling is great, so next time do decide to make a comment try to back it up will you.

 

[Omologato]

Way to go... lets compare a doctored screenshot of Laguna Seca looking bright and sunny in the desert or wherever it is... to a fairly bland undoctored screenshot of GT4 on the nurburgring... It's quite obvious that GT4's ring is not setup to be a tropical uber bright spectacularly coloured circuit.. it's meant to be pretty dull.. that's what it 's like most of the time in reality.. it rains there a great deal etc.

PGR2 has the ring in it as well, and I would say that the PS2 version of the Ring is right on cue lighting wise with PGR2. Thats just the nature of the track. I wouldn't call it dull, though.

 

[super supra]

Unfounded comments like this are not wnated, unbiased people that have played Forza mostly are in agreement the handling is great, so next time do decide to make a comment try to back it up will you.

Wtf! i just said that ive heard, tho im not in to Forza that much, and i dont say i dont like it.

And maybe the pictures was a bad comparison, but GT4 have a bit dull feeling, and GT3 is worse. Not because i hate it, but i whish i whould be a litte more "bright"

 

[Rabbi_Doom]

Rabbi Doom, these things happen when games aint finished.

Ya they do but not at a ces presentation, and especilly not in front of bill gates at a ces presentation. I have never seen a game crash during a presentation of even close to this magnitude. They usually run through the presentation as much as possible to eliminate all of the possible bugs so something like the above doesn't happen.

All i'm saying is I think microsoft is rushing it a bit. PD been at this for 8 years now. It's not an easy genre to break into especially when you call your game the "gt4 killer". Honestly i think it might be microsofts biggest mistake comparing forza to GT4. Now everybody will expect forza to deliver more than GT4 and I think that's pretty much impossible at this point in its life. The game obviously has some issues that need ironing out but i will still grant it an unbiased opinion when it is in my x-box.

 

[code_kev]

Rabbi Doom, you are aware that they NEVER called it the GT killer? Well you are now. The devs actually praised the GT series muchos.

Anyway, just sounds to me like they got the demo as fast as poss tbh.

 

[Ten]

Unfounded comments like this are not wnated, unbiased people that have played Forza mostly are in agreement the handling is great, so next time do decide to make a comment try to back it up will you.

Having played the demo, I kind of have to agree with super supra. Taking an Impreza around Laguna Seca and understeering like mad frustrated the crap out of me. No matter how many different approaches I take, it's just insulting understeer. No Subaru handles like that. I refuse to believe it. It's a 4-door AWD sedan, not a damn Ford LTD.

 

[Dave A]

Yes but you are one and there are many more who dissagree with you than agree with you on this. 99% of road cars understeer, 4wd cars understeer more than Rwd cars and Fwd cars understeer the most, the setting in Forza allow you to change how realisticaly your car will handle and everyone who says it's great (many of which are avid GT fans remebe) are referring to the game with the driving aids turned off, with them on I've heared that they are a bit too noticable. Also the demo is about 6 months old or something like that, even thoguh it only went on mmagazine covers a month ago so wait for the final release even if there are a couple of faults.

Super Supra I misunderstood your comment sorry for having a go.

 

[bmw5150]

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1073_en.html

It's a video of a ces presentation and billy boy gates and Conan O'Brian demonstrate how "smooth" forza is.

I think it might have something to do with the delay. Looks like we can't escape MS blue screen of death no matter how hard we try, i didn't know the x-box had one.

it's hilarious!!!!! They are the best when it comes to public self humiliation!!! And they are so counting on competing with GT4!!!!!! hahahahaha... did you hear the guy? "Forza will have a variety of cars including Ferrari and Porsche..." how funny!!!!! and then I saw another interview at gamespot w/ the developer (interview2) and he says that they will provide a good online experience and that they'd never release their game without it!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha too funny!!!

 

[Gek54]

I dont know about it looking better being 30fps and all but the physics and online play should be very interesting.

 

[Dave A]

Gee, your mature arn't you. Whats funny about them saying they'll never release the game without online on a console with a good online user base. And ofcourse they're having a stab a Sony and PD, it's a fault of theirs that GT4 isn't being boxed with online and thats a BAD thing, it's not good that they took that out. As for the cars, you find that funny too, Ferrari and Porsche are among the most coveted car makers in the world, infact Ferrari is rated as the number one why shouldn't they use every opportunity to let people know they're in Forza.

 

[livemusic]

Yeah, but they say this BECAUSE GT4 doesn´t have this features. Codemasters did the same thing with Toca 2, saying that a driving simulator gotta have damage.

I find it funny too.

 

[Dave A]

Well I'm laughing my tits off

 

[tha_con]

Okay, here's what I gathered from the Presentation.

The load times might be a tad slow, and the presentation of the game just didn't seem smooth to me. i.e. did you guy's notice how the cars have to load up between switches and just instantly appear? PD has a smoother approach with the fade in , and it's sleeker.

The Wings on the cars looked very misplaced, and far from real world. Some of them looked good, but it looked a lot like they just added what they could to make as many options as possible.

The game crashed. (do NOT say "the demo is six months old", because NO ONE has stated that, it's rumor)

The frame rate got REALLY choppy when conan smashed up his car (though I can't tell if damage was on or not).

Also...I just love how conan was able to get his car to slide around in 1st gear from a dead stop like that, that's quality stuff.

Notice when bill hits the wall, his car "jumps" and floats, primary example of what I was talking about, cars don't jump walls, they stop, smash, bounce back,etc.

Still, I am not excited about Forza motorsport, because their focus is not racing, I feel it, more than anything. To me this game is a commercialized attempt to put racing simulation in the mainstream. They have taken a few things from GT, like physics, and ability to tune, and thrown in mixes of NFSU and SRS where you can rice out your car. Let's face it, none of those body kits will HELP your car perform, but I can almost promise you it will be the case in Forza, I feel it, just from listening to the guy talk.

Okay...sure I'm pointing out all the negative, but their presentation and focus just isn't what I think it should be.

I'll stick with GT series and GTR...but I'm staying away from this...I'll continue to say it.

 

[Dave A]

Apparently the demo that appeared on the mags is exactly the same as a demo that appeared at a game show some 6 months or so ago, which would make it old. However I will take a neutral stance and agree with you until it's actually proven.

Forza's emphasis is on car customisation and racing, the actual physics of the game are top notch even if the cars do bounce when they hit walls, were used to it by now in the GT series. Also the AI in forza is looking like it will beat GT4's with an alluminium bat. As for the bodykits in Forza if you look around you'll see a combination of race car aero parts and parts to make your car "look good", and all the body parts will affect your cars performance for better or worse.

There are big flaws in GT4 too you know, Forza is just getting nitpicked at more because it's on the X-Box.

 

[SaintKamus]

Actually I must say that Forza looks better and better, they really work at the game and when it's released I think that it really will be a goooooood game. I even thinkt hey have released a demo based on (build2) where the weels have a better looking profile but where to get it, I dunno... People here seems to mock forza and I think its not fair to do so. I mean I wish xbox all sucsses with forza cuz it will only benefit us(the players).Still i dont own an xbox but will get one soon but some people think like the old me...An xbox game mus suck hehe. Some people are just acting like fanboys . First time I saw forza I thought that no way in hell xbox could put forward a game that could come close to GT4 but now I have changed my mind and think that it is kinda more exiting game then GT4....I had to high expectations(sp) when it comes to GT4 and Forza kinda Grew on me as time went on... I really like that everything is in 3d in forza but lets hope that they dont forget about the feeling in the game......(simulation).......hehe.......

ok, so you haven't played either game and now you preffer a different game over the other because it "grew" on you... right. that's dumb. and you know it.
Forza isn't a real simulator untill they show wheel support (wich they say they'll have. but nothing yet...). untill then, it's just another console game. not sim.

 

[tha_con]

Apparently the demo that appeared on the mags is exactly the same as a demo that appeared at a game show some 6 months or so ago, which would make it old. However I will take a neutral stance and agree with you until it's actually proven.

Forza's emphasis is on car customisation and racing, the actual physics of the game are top notch even if the cars do bounce when they hit walls, were used to it by now in the GT series. Also the AI in forza is looking like it will beat GT4's with an alluminium bat. As for the bodykits in Forza if you look around you'll see a combination of race car aero parts and parts to make your car "look good", and all the body parts will affect your cars performance for better or worse.

There are big flaws in GT4 too you know, Forza is just getting nitpicked at more because it's on the X-Box.

No, I completely understand that GT has flaws. And I'm not holding it to a higher standard because it's on xbox, because the fact is that Xbox games are developed with the exact same tools that PC games use, which is why they can come out quirky, buggy, and often over simplified, like forza appears to me.

Even on their website some of their numbers seem a bit off. Like on their Sylvia for instance, I don't know if this is a reflection of it's game counterpart, however "adding" the "sport" exhuast and intake yeilds 27hp...NEVER. Not as stand alone mods. GT4's numbers as far as tuning go are a lot more realistic, as well as combined numbers. Alone the exhuast will yeild less, however, if you put on a turbo first, and then exhuast, you will get more, and vice versa.

With all their claims etc, it's not really impressing me.

Also if you watch the race closely, you'll notice that bill gates rams the wall at around 28mph...his car bounces off the ground. Then the game AUTOMATICALLY places him back on the track. I HOPE this is a feature you can turn OFF.

And when in GT have you run into a wall at 28mph and bounced off the ground? I don't even remember seeing this in GT3, the only time I can remember bouncing off the ground in a wall collision was going high speed, like 70+, or floating the car at the test track on the turns, and that's because the phyics were odd.

I'm sorry but I take Forza like a grain of salt, regardless of all the bells and whistles, it's just flashy show, so far they haven't shown me anything to impress ME, and that is my opinion, I'm not saying it will be a bad game, but it in no way impressed me, nor does it entice me to buy it.

 

[TSi_Shiftz]

People please stop with the, It will be better or be worse, or get p3wned or It rules the other sucks. Those are opinions, how about being smart and points out Pros and Cons not your little unimportant opinion.

 

[Gek54]

Also the AI in forza is looking like it will beat GT4's with an alluminium bat.

Where did you get this impression about Forza's AI. From the latest demo I thought the AI was very similar to GTs as far as it avoiding colistions.

I cant believe how many posters can be so opinionated without having played both games.

 

[TSi_Shiftz]

Double Post Sorry

 

[TSi_Shiftz]

Unless you have played both games extensively and the entire game clear through than stop complaining, and/or comparing.

 

[Lambo88]

Where did you get this impression about Forza's AI. From the latest demo I thought the AI was very similar to GTs as far as it avoiding colistions.

I cant believe how many posters can be so opinionated without having played both games.

Live is right on this one, absolutely right. Play the damn demo and you will see that the AI tries to avoid you when you get back on track after an accident instead of continuing their way an Ram you like a train. And when you are stopped in the center of the track since 15 secs and waiting for them to see if they will hit you (like in GT4) SURPRISE they don't. I tried these myself.

And here's a comment I made on another Forum:

It's too bad GT fans are just generally too fanboyish to realise Forza has potential.

See ya

 

[jjboi]

No, I completely understand that GT has flaws. And I'm not holding it to a higher standard because it's on xbox, because the fact is that Xbox games are developed with the exact same tools that PC games use, which is why they can come out quirky, buggy, and often over simplified, like forza appears to me.

Even on their website some of their numbers seem a bit off. Like on their Sylvia for instance, I don't know if this is a reflection of it's game counterpart, however "adding" the "sport" exhuast and intake yeilds 27hp...NEVER. Not as stand alone mods. GT4's numbers as far as tuning go are a lot more realistic, as well as combined numbers. Alone the exhuast will yeild less, however, if you put on a turbo first, and then exhuast, you will get more, and vice versa.

With all their claims etc, it's not really impressing me.

Also if you watch the race closely, you'll notice that bill gates rams the wall at around 28mph...his car bounces off the ground. Then the game AUTOMATICALLY places him back on the track. I HOPE this is a feature you can turn OFF.

And when in GT have you run into a wall at 28mph and bounced off the ground? I don't even remember seeing this in GT3, the only time I can remember bouncing off the ground in a wall collision was going high speed, like 70+, or floating the car at the test track on the turns, and that's because the phyics were odd.

I'm sorry but I take Forza like a grain of salt, regardless of all the bells and whistles, it's just flashy show, so far they haven't shown me anything to impress ME, and that is my opinion, I'm not saying it will be a bad game, but it in no way impressed me, nor does it entice me to buy it.

I like salt,...in small doses.

 

[welshgtlover]

It's too bad GT fans are just generally too fanboyish to realise Forza has potential.

See ya

Very nicley put Lambo88!! 👍 👍

 

[squeek]

ill admit, forza does have potential, but imo it has that potential in different areas than gt4. gt4 in my eyes is more realistic (ive played demo's of both games). forza however, offers the customization part, swapping engines and trading cars online. this is going to be the make and break bit of forza, but when gt4 comes online, if it is stable, forza will be on thin ice

 

[Ten]

the setting in Forza allow you to change how realisticaly your car will handle and everyone who says it's great (many of which are avid GT fans remebe) are referring to the game with the driving aids turned off, with them on I've heared that they are a bit too noticable.

Ahh. Haven't had much of a chance to play around with any options, as I usually get yelled at for playing games on the job. I'll give it a rent at release and give the game a more thorough review. 👍

 

[code_kev]

No it won't, because forza will have xbox live behind it.

Xbox games are buggy and oversimplified? WTF? Tha_con, have you actually PLAYED on an xbox EVER?

I'm not saying forza wil pwn GT or anything, I frankly don't know, but at least it will have multiplayer gubbins XD
I also like the car customisation, yeah yeah call it NFSU stylee, frankly I don't car because I'd rather have it, then not. Plus it actually effects the cars too, so nerrr.

 

[Rabbi_Doom]

Rabbi Doom, you are aware that they NEVER called it the GT killer? Well you are now. The devs actually praised the GT series muchos.

Anyway, just sounds to me like they got the demo as fast as poss tbh.

Ok i am sorry they didn't call it the "GT4 killer". "At the Microsoft conference in Los Angeles, Microsoft's Peter Main announced what is being touted as a 'Gran Turismo killer', referring to Sony's top selling racer Gran Turismo."

They called it the "Gran Turismo killer". Just google forza and gran turismo and killer and you will end up with a lot of results. Here's one of my favorites

http://microsoft.gamerfeed.com/gf/games/3121/

The first one under related news.

You know you should really check this stuff out before you go and get some idiot on your face.