Forza
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McLaren F1GTR
PGR3 is a launch game for Xbox 2 so I would imagine there is not a good chance of Forza 2 being close to the Xbox2 release date.
The communist remark I made was not directed at one person who thinks having a plethora of options is worth *****ing about.
And to all those who are already hating on Forza only becuase its trying to dethrone the mighty GT, You seriously need to give Forza a chance. I too was a HUGE GT fanboy and I was prejudice against Forza but after hearing Kaz saying that Enthusia might be too realistic(How can the creator of "The Real Driving Simulator" call something too realistic?), I took off my Sony goggles and played the Forza demo with an open mind and I was blown away by how how good the physics already are in this early build. Forget about its graphics, focus on the ride and you should be in for a real thrill. Both GT4 and Forza are a must for any car enthusiast.
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- Maryland, USA
- swift-bass
Delphic ReasonTo be fair, Swift, your complaint was pretty weak... Still, I'm not sure where communism comes into the picture?...
It really wasn't a complaint. More like an observation. All I was saying is that we shouldn't say one game is better then the other because of the amount of leages that it has. That's all. 5,000 different leages is fine, but it doesn't make a game "good" or "bad"
And I still don't have a clue where the communist thing came in.
Now that's some funny stuff!kinigitt
Hmmm....how many times do I have to say that options are good? Iv'e said in this particular thread twice already. Besides, I don't look at the mount of leagues as an option. I consider that a feature. You can't taylor the leagues to be what you want, unless I'm missing something, so that's a feature. Yeah, I know, nit picking a bit but it's just how I see it. An option would be like being able to turn damage on and off. I believe that been comfirmed that you can. And that's a great option, because you have a choice in the matter. I'm pretty sure we don't have any choice in how many leagues GT4 or XBOX has, unless they let you XBox users download more.
In your words you were "ragging" on Forza's inclusion of all its leagues. This statement is similar to the ideals of communism and as I said before the same complant could be made about GT4's car list. Unless you only concerned about getting the 100% completion status, the leagues are all optional. Since your "ragging" statement all you have been doing is trying to cover your ass.
It is maybe a bit early to say, but I think GT5 will be the biggest step forward ever in the franchise history. I think PD is surely starting to realise Forza and the other competitors are gaining strenght and are knocking at the door. And PD will finally have the hardware to go head to head with competition, so no more PS2 is weak ****. They will be forced to come up with new things (damage, strong online, respectable sounds, balanced car lineup, coveted brands, more real life tracks,etc)
If only Forza had 500 cars with their intelligent way to choose the cars, it would beat GT4 in this department hands down. You don't need 1000 cars to please everyone, just carefully and intellignetly choose the ones you put in (one Vitz instead of 3, only the best version of every EVO generation, 2 R34 instead of 10 but more than 2 Mustangs, at least 1 Firebird, old M3 and M5,more TVRs,etc)
If only Forza had 500 cars with their intelligent way to choose the cars, it would beat GT4 in this department hands down. You don't need 1000 cars to please everyone, just carefully and intellignetly choose the ones you put in (one Vitz instead of 3, only the best version of every EVO generation, 2 R34 instead of 10 but more than 2 Mustangs, at least 1 Firebird, old M3 and M5,more TVRs,etc)
- 30,024
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
Yes More TVR's.
This many TVR's......................
Cerbera 1994
Cerbera 4.2 2000
Cerbera 4.5 2000
Cerbera 4.5 Red rose 2000
Cerbera Speed 6 2000
Cerbera Speed 6 GTO 2000
Cerbera Speed 12 2000
Cerbera Speed 12 GT 2003
Cerbera GT2 1995
Cerbera GT2 1998
Cerbera GT V8 Evo 1998
Chimera 1995
Chimera 4.5 1996
Chimera 5.0 1997
Chimera 500 2000
Griffith 1990
Griffith B340 1996
Griffith 500 1998
Griffith 500 2000
Sagaris 2004
Speed 12 TVR 1999
Speed 12 GTS 1999
T350C 2004
T350T 2004
T400R 2004
T400R-GT 2004
T440R 2004
Tamora 2002
Tamora Concept 2000
Tasmin 1981
Tasmin convertible 1983
Tuscan Challenge 1998
Tuscan R NA 2000
Tuscan R-GT 2002
Tuscan 2 Speed six 2005
Tuscan S 2001
Tuscan Speed six 2000
Typhon 2004
Vixen 1970
Vixen S1 1967
This many TVR's......................
Cerbera 1994
Cerbera 4.2 2000
Cerbera 4.5 2000
Cerbera 4.5 Red rose 2000
Cerbera Speed 6 2000
Cerbera Speed 6 GTO 2000
Cerbera Speed 12 2000
Cerbera Speed 12 GT 2003
Cerbera GT2 1995
Cerbera GT2 1998
Cerbera GT V8 Evo 1998
Chimera 1995
Chimera 4.5 1996
Chimera 5.0 1997
Chimera 500 2000
Griffith 1990
Griffith B340 1996
Griffith 500 1998
Griffith 500 2000
Sagaris 2004
Speed 12 TVR 1999
Speed 12 GTS 1999
T350C 2004
T350T 2004
T400R 2004
T400R-GT 2004
T440R 2004
Tamora 2002
Tamora Concept 2000
Tasmin 1981
Tasmin convertible 1983
Tuscan Challenge 1998
Tuscan R NA 2000
Tuscan R-GT 2002
Tuscan 2 Speed six 2005
Tuscan S 2001
Tuscan Speed six 2000
Typhon 2004
Vixen 1970
Vixen S1 1967
I've played Forza in a demo, and it's not as realistic as GT4. The handling is a little drifty, the graphics(from what i've seen) are a little bit more blurred. i think that overall, GT4 is the better game. but Forza will get a better rating because of the fact that it has Ferraris and stuff, which i'm not sure GT4 has or not. 
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live4speed
more realistic? it doesn't feel that way to me, i have the demo, but since it's only playable with the xbox controller i really can't make a final judgement, but GT4 + DFP plays better than forza + controller, feels more realistic. the physics seem ok in forza, but again.. untill i play it with a wheel, i can't make final judgement, but GT4 is pretty accurate, there are still tons of shortcomings, but for the most part the driving experience feels right.
but i still think that missing the braking point in GT4 is still more forgiving than in other sims, even if not by much.
I will own both, and play both. The GT series has always been great. Unfortunatly, it seems to have always been really delayed too! 
Speculate, speculate, speculate. No telling which is better until they come out. Even then people will still disagree. Some love graphics and online play. Some love huge selection of cars and guaranteed quality. People are setting up racing teams for Forza. Hopefully an online version will come out after GT4's release. In the end, I'll get both.
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whats to complain about the graphics? I had this idea that they were aboslute doodoo, but i mean theyre like mid pgr gt not mid nfsu pgr like most people said, i mean they look well enough so that you dont say this loooks like absolute **** when youre playing.
i own both consoles, and have tried the demo version of forza, and if it is anything to go by, then they need a serious wake up call. having all the power (xbox specs being 3times more powerful than PS2), and not knowing what to do with it, is a big shame.
Question, what kind of GT4 would we be playing if kazounori was developing it for the xbox? ....... like i said, a big shame!
maybe they are just trying to throw us off guard by making it seem so bad in the demo, so when the actual game comes, it may not seem so bad. whatever the strategy is, i don't believe they should even think of comparing themselves to GT.... maybe enthusia, but definately not GT.
Question, what kind of GT4 would we be playing if kazounori was developing it for the xbox? ....... like i said, a big shame!
maybe they are just trying to throw us off guard by making it seem so bad in the demo, so when the actual game comes, it may not seem so bad. whatever the strategy is, i don't believe they should even think of comparing themselves to GT.... maybe enthusia, but definately not GT.
- 10,116
- Maryland, USA
- swift-bass
The thing that I don't get is that the hardcore Forza fans think that Forza would exist without the GT series. It wouldn't! Microsoft has never invented anything. They have the Japanese philosphy, get a good idea and make it better. You can bet if GT didn't sell millions and millions of copies worldwide that Forza motorsport wouldn't even exist. You can also bet that they are being influenced by the GT series...they would be fools not to!
This is not directed at any one person, just a general observation of comments that I've noticed. Forza is a direct result of the existence of the GT series, period.
This is not directed at any one person, just a general observation of comments that I've noticed. Forza is a direct result of the existence of the GT series, period.
- 30,024
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
Ofcourse if GT didn't do well and didn't get much coverage you would all be playing Ridge racer 26 by now, Forza like other games made by many different developers PD included is simply many ideas taken from other games with one or two of it's own additions thrown in for good measure. GT wasn't the first game to use licensed cars, it wasn't the first game where you buy and tune cars either it merely mixed the two (but even that had been doner before). Business is business, if you can make loads of money using similar ideas to the other guy, do it.
- 10,116
- Maryland, USA
- swift-bass
live4speed
True true. But I think you would agree that some peole have the attitude that Forza was some perfect evolution of GT and was in a class by itself for some reason.
But yeah, I'm with you. Just wanted to get that off my chest since I don't think it's been stated in this thread yet.
- 30,024
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
Yeah there are overly fanboyish fans but they can be found for Forza and GT4, there are people here whove posted "Forza sucks GT4 is the daddy" and people making comments that GT games will only ever be bettered by the next GT, what kind of crap is that. I personally don't think Forza will be a good as GT4, I think it will be great and very fun especially with online but it will take one or two sequels to make it better than GT (if it ever gets better), but thats the thing everthing is an if or maybe, when Forza does come out we will know for ourselves which is better, different people will favour one over the other even if Forza does become a better game over time there will still be people sticking with GT saying GT is the best.
Anyway, in short I agree with you but it can be said for both sides of fans.
Anyway, in short I agree with you but it can be said for both sides of fans.
robin2223
Heh, must be a young'un... *sits on the porch and reminisces*
To my knowledge, Test Drive might have been the first. I can't remember what cars were in the very first one, but the second (called 'The Duel') only featured TWO cars! A Ferrari and a Porsche... wow...
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Jesus that sucks only two cars? not even two brands just two cars.
