Forza

[Dave A]

The garage can hold every car, and then some.

 

[Gek54]

The garage can hold every car, and then some.

Well, still doesnt account for GT 1-3 not allowing every car in the garage.

 

[Dave A]

No but it doesn't need to. GT4 is not GT1 or 2, besides it's different technology now, more advanced. BTW in GT3 you could get every car in the garage too.

 

[Gek54]

Still, to say the point of GT games is to try out all the different cars could be applied to any game where you can unlock or buy cars. You could just as easily say NFSU2 is not about racing but drivng and experiencing all the different cars. Its a lame cop out.

 

[kinigitt]

Jesus...flipping....christ.

I am not saying that racing is not a HUGE part of GT. I have already said it is. HOWEVER, this is NOT the FOCUS of the game. It's intent, is to allow you to drive as many cars in different environments and locations as possible. KY has said this, many members of his staff have said this. I just don't see why you would acknowledge something like this one minute, then ignore it the next.

Forza is more competition driven, because the game is geared towards you getting a better "rank" so to speak, and the focus on the development of the AI etc is much more intense.

GT has very little focus on the AI or setting yourself apart from the crowd via skill level and rank.

That is how they are different. Forza aims for you to set yourself apart from everyone else and the standard, while GT aims for you to get every car, and focuses it's intent that you drive a WIDE variety of cars through all of the different races.

I can go on and on, the point is, while they are both racing games, the focus of GT does not lie soley on the racing experience, rather it is more geared towards the driving experience of various different cars.

christ...do some of you not understand what I type? It's simple, just READ it and UNDERSTAND IT. I'm not trying to stand up for anyone, or bash any game, nothing like that at all. It's simple fact. Period. Not a "cop out" nothing. If you can't understand this I would suggest not replying because you are only wasting your time.

don't get so worked up. I understand what you're saying, and it's the truth.

I'm just saying it's a stupid way to make a game is all... *shrugs*

 

[McLaren]

Still, to say the point of GT games is to try out all the different cars could be applied to any game where you can unlock or buy cars. You could just as easily say NFSU2 is not about racing but drivng and experiencing all the different cars. Its a lame cop out.

I suggest you read GT4's slogan. And while you're out, read GT1-3's as well.

The real DRIVING simulator.
The DRIVE of your life.

Racing is the main recipe for the game, but the real beef behind the game is driving a variety of cars, and experencing them. The performance is there to help win the races, and to help alter the feel of the car yet feeling what its like to drive the car with the mods.

 

[Gek54]

Racing is the main recipe for NFSU2/CMR5/Sega GT/TXR and any other game that has several cars and mods, but the real beef behind these games is driving a variety of cars, and experencing them. The performance is there to help win the races, and to help alter the feel of the car yet feeling what its like to drive the car with the mods.

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Slogan smogan, its no more of a "driving simulator" than TOCA2 the "racing simulator"

 

[livemusic]

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Hmmm, smells like code_kev.

 

[Gek54]

No one has been able to explain how GT4 focuses on the player collecting cars more than any other car game that lets you have a collection of cars.

Nintendo: "We are different becuase we focus on games." Slogans are such great things. 👎

 

[McLaren]

You know, I'd appreciate if you didn't change my post and start facing the facts Gek. 👎

You miss the point even when it's clearly put right in front of you.

 

[Gek54]

You know, I'd appreciate if you didn't change my post and start facing the facts Gek. 👎

You miss the point even when it's clearly put right in front of you.

Then spell it out for me. What does GT4 do different that makes it a car "experiencing" game rather than a racing game like all the others?

 

[Dave A]

It has crap AI.

I understand how the driving is such a big part of the game and that KY keeps saying thats the focus for GT, but I still see it as a load of crap putting that before the racing. It's not right and now were into the fourth generation of GT it's not doing it any favours.

EDIT: And were not doing this thread any favours going on about it, theres a GT vs Forza thread in the GT4 section of the site.

 

[Gek54]

It has crap AI..

Thats it? Because the AI? So let me get this straight, any racing game that has GT quality AI or less should not be considered a racing game but a driving game with racing elements?

I think that thread was deleted.

 

[Dave A]

Thats the only thing I can think of.

 

[Greyout]

AI isn't all.

the lack of any structured racing.

Even the most narrow, single-model races don't hold a candle to the performance-equality-efforts made in real life.

There need to be a few series that have real(ish) rules, not just a drivetrain. Thats how you have the Cusco WRX vs. Silverado SS and call that a "race".

how about a world challenge event, or american lemans, or even improved touring, with only vehicles that would really be in those series, with only modifications that would normally be alllowed (obviously it has to be dumbed down to fit the arcadey "click here for power level xx" tuner interface, but it could work)

 

[tha_con]

Gek...you are a child. Your mindset is that of a todler. You obviously will see nothing but your way, regardless of the facts and statements.

In one post you complain because KY states he makes GT series for his own passion and to make it so he can drive cars, not for the fans.

Then you turn it around and call THAT a cop out? How can you acknowledge it once, then deny it the second go round?

Fact is that the games focus is driving, this is what it was CREATED for. HOWEVER, no one will BUY a game that you only DRIVE in. SO they put RACING in, HOWEVER, it is NOT the focus. the FOCUS is to make the game as REAL as possible, not so much the handling, but the overall EXPERIENCE. which is why we see the DFP, the photo realism, etc etc. They want to recreate that experience for each car. Period.

Now, if THAT is TOO HARD for YOU to understand, STOP REPLYING, because that is in ENGLISH, it's REALLY easy to learn.

 

[Dave A]

I think this argument is dead anyway, thoes are the facts, whether you think that SHOULD be the focus or not is personal opinion. I've stated mine now can we get back to Forza.

 

[kinigitt]

AI isn't all.

the lack of any structured racing.

Even the most narrow, single-model races don't hold a candle to the performance-equality-efforts made in real life.

There need to be a few series that have real(ish) rules, not just a drivetrain. Thats how you have the Cusco WRX vs. Silverado SS and call that a "race".

how about a world challenge event, or american lemans, or even improved touring, with only vehicles that would really be in those series, with only modifications that would normally be alllowed (obviously it has to be dumbed down to fit the arcadey "click here for power level xx" tuner interface, but it could work)

that would be a great start. A GT game with different classes of GT racing, so you can see just how accurate the car's performance is compared to similar ones.

Or a division of classes like the way the SCCA regulates the runoffs

 

[Dave A]

That would be a nice addition buy guys were not in a GT4 thread here .

 

[kinigitt]

That would be a nice addition buy guys were not in a GT4 thread here .

oh right.

so does forza have a more realistic distinction between different classes of race cars? or is a free-for-all randomness like GT? tha_con?

 

[Minnesota01R6]

oh right.

so does forza have a more realistic distinction between different classes of race cars? or is a free-for-all randomness like GT? tha_con?

I don't know since I don't have the FM demo, but your thoughts just led me to (what I think is) a great idea: Have the game suggest 3 cars for every race series: an easy to win with car, a medium car, and a challenging car. It always ticked me off that I never knew what cars I was going to face in GT3 until I actually entered the race (most of the time).

 

[McLaren]

Gek, like tha_con said, racing is added.

Racing is the main recipe for all GT games.

 

[Joey D]

I don't feel like reading everything you guys have been hashing out.

But in my opinion Forza looks better then GT4. Which wouldn't surprise me because after getting an Xbox I really see how much better it is then the PS2. The thing I really like about the Xbox is the fact that you can go online without a ton of hassle.

Forza will be on Xbox live which I think will make it better then GT4, considering the pain it will take to get that online.

Forza also has a tuning factor that I think will be good, not like need for speed underground, but in a good way.

I can honestly say that I'm looking forward to the release of Midnight Club 3 on Feb. 22 then I am of GT4.

 

[McLaren]

I am too.


For some reason, I just like Forza's graphics better. They seem so nice and and in a wierd way, make me feel at home with the races.

I am waiting to see what GT4's got. And I'm sure, I'll feel right at home in it too.

 

[Gek54]

Gek...you are a child. Your mindset is that of a todler. You obviously will see nothing but your way, regardless of the facts and statements.

In one post you complain because KY states he makes GT series for his own passion and to make it so he can drive cars, not for the fans.

Then you turn it around and call THAT a cop out? How can you acknowledge it once, then deny it the second go round?

Fact is that the games focus is driving, this is what it was CREATED for. HOWEVER, no one will BUY a game that you only DRIVE in. SO they put RACING in, HOWEVER, it is NOT the focus. the FOCUS is to make the game as REAL as possible, not so much the handling, but the overall EXPERIENCE. which is why we see the DFP, the photo realism, etc etc. They want to recreate that experience for each car. Period.

Now, if THAT is TOO HARD for YOU to understand, STOP REPLYING, because that is in ENGLISH, it's REALLY easy to learn.

No, I am asking questions trying to understan what exactly makes GT so different from other games that it should be called a driving simulator and not a racing game. GT having weak AI seems to be the only arguement for it being a "driving experience".

Find the post where I complain about KY's reasons, I want to see it.

Lots of games are made where you just drive and there is little to no racing. Driver being the first that comes to mind and I am pretty sure that sold millions. PGR is more geared to driving than racing, much more than GT ever was.

Gek, like tha_con said, racing is added.

Racing is the main recipe for all GT games.

How is the main recipe for anything just an addition??

 

[kinigitt]

I am too.


For some reason, I just like Forza's graphics better. They seem so nice and and in a wierd way, make me feel at home with the races.

I am waiting to see what GT4's got. And I'm sure, I'll feel right at home in it too.

My DFP is getting antsy. I need my copy of GT4.

I want Forza almost as much, but I'll have to wait and see what the wheel is like. I'll buy it just for online racing if it turns out "meh".

 

[McLaren]

No, I am asking questions trying to understan what exactly makes GT so different from other games that it should be called a driving simulator and not a racing game. GT having weak AI seems to be the only arguement for it being a "driving experience".

Find the post where I complain about KY's reasons, I want to see it.

Lots of games are made where you just drive and there is little to no racing. Driver being the first that comes to mind and I am pretty sure that sold millions. PGR is more geared to driving than racing, much more than GT ever was.




How is the main recipe for anything just an addition??

It is a racing game, but that's pretty much the recipe for the game.

Race, tune, race, buy car, race, tune, race, buy car. Racing is the main point of the game, but its there to give the game a purpose. The game is truely about driving each of the cars and understanding what's like to drive these machines. KY knows, many people in Japan, America, and Europe and other countries will most likely not get the chance to drive many of the cars that are mostly known to other countries different from their own.

 

[Gek54]

It is a racing game, but that's pretty much the recipe for the game.

Race, tune, race, buy car, race, tune, race, buy car. Racing is the main point of the game, but its there to give the game a purpose. The game is truely about driving each of the cars and understanding what's like to drive these machines. KY knows, many people in Japan, America, and Europe and other countries will most likely not get the chance to drive many of the cars that are mostly known to other countries different from their own.

Except you could just as easily apply that to Forza or TOCA2...ect.

 

[kinigitt]

Except you could just as easily apply that to Forza or TOCA2...ect.

that's where the pretty graphics kick in... Driving said cars with prettier presentation makes it more enjoyable to a lot of people.

I prefer the audio side of things... but what can I do. being a minority sucks.

 

[McLaren]

Except you could just as easily apply that to Forza or TOCA2...ect.

You obviously aren't getting the point.