Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[Strittan]

I somehow get the feeling that Turn 10 and the Forza fanboys are evil.

 

[TeamStig]

Wow, for a company so confident about their product being "THE DEFINITIVE RACING GAME FOR THIS GENERATION," they don't seem to like hearing about the competition. Especially when it plans to outdo them.

 

[sumbrownkid]

^That's some serious hypocrisy going on in the Turn 10 forums. I'm thinking making an account there just to bring up GT5.

 

[BenzAMG]

If I may be honest, many of you guys act just as pathetic as the ones on Forza forum.

I think that all people, who have an account on either the Forza or the GT forum, may not compare these games in any way! Simply because there opinion is not subjective.
Some people really think they are subjective, but in fact there not, and they make a huge fool out of themselves in the eyes of a non fanboy(hate that word).

Play the game you like the most.

 

[Strittan]

^That's some serious hypocrisy going on in the Turn 10 forums. I'm thinking making an account there just to bring up GT5.

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[Grandi]

If I may be honest, many of you guys act just as pathetic as the ones on Forza forum.

I think that all people, who have an account on either the Forza or the GT forum, may not compare these games in any way! Simply because there opinion is not subjective.
Some people really think they are subjective, but in fact there not, and they make a huge fool out of themselves in the eyes of a non fanboy(hate that word).

Play the game you like the most.

Meaning objective...?

But yeah, I agree with the message.

 

[sumbrownkid]

You need to have an Xbox360 to register.

This tells pretty much about them as well. 👎

Dammit I've been foiled by Turn10!

 

[BenzAMG]

sorry! I thought objective was a fact, and subjective a opinion, apperently i'm wrong.

 

[Terronium-12]

If I may be honest, many of you guys act just as pathetic as the ones on Forza forum.

I think that all people, who have an account on either the Forza or the GT forum, may not compare these games in any way! Simply because there opinion is not subjective.
Some people really think they are subjective, but in fact there not, and they make a huge fool out of themselves in the eyes of a non fanboy(hate that word).

Play the game you like the most.

And that's your opinion.

See how that works? 💡

 

[phil-t]

I mentioned the "Fail" thread because one of the objections raised was "posting about GT5 in a FM3 forum". The forum in question is called "Miscellaneous" and is for all non-FM3 topics, which the topic was.

The thread itself wasn't a flame thread. It contained relatively sensible discussion of GT5 until Che locked it. Compared to most of the FM3 threads there - which generally last about 4 posts before someone makes a derogatory comparison to GT5 - it was almost adult.


I see no reason to lock a thread simply for being about another game in an area of the site dealing with threads not specifically related to their game of choice, never mind threaten a ban. I don't recall "Talking about GT" as an offence in their Terms of Service...

I think you missed the point, did you actually read the thread, or just Che's post?

I think the pertinent points are
1. It was actually posted in the FM3 sub-forum and was subsequently moved..

First off, why is this in the Forza 3 section?

Expect the thread to be moved.

Em I guess you weren't aware of this, but a topic just like this was created a few hours ago and was deleted, the reason for this was that this has nothing to do with a Forza general discussion. There wouldn't be anything wrong with putting this in the Miscellaneous / general discussion section.

2. You say there was no 'flaming'?.. well here's a selection of quotes from the first page..

Lol........im am speechless......lol..

Going by the fact that 170 cars feature full damage and interiors, does that mean the rest of the cars carried over wont have damage and/or the interior?
That's a shocker, if so.

The one this suspiciously missing from this is a release date.....

You're going to compare a game thats trying to repair a damaged reputation because consumers weren't given what they were told for how many years? To a game that comes from an always successful, relatively new franchise. Trust me, GT5P is a pretty decent platform to base an opinion of GT5 on and it feels sterile as hell.

GT5 release date 2015 lol

I think they'll just keep talking about it and adding stuff to it so it becomes better than FM3 but by the time that comes

Granny Turismo 3 - The Real Wheelchair Simulator...LMMFAO!!!

I don't like Che as much as the next man, but I'd say you are just jumping to conclusions based on obvious predjudice.

 

[TeamStig]

If I may be honest, many of you guys act just as pathetic as the ones on Forza forum.

I think that all people, who have an account on either the Forza or the GT forum, may not compare these games in any way! Simply because there opinion is not subjective.
Some people really think they are subjective, but in fact there not, and they make a huge fool out of themselves in the eyes of a non fanboy(hate that word).

Play the game you like the most.

You could make that argument about comparing any two things. Everyone is biased in some respect. Some are biased less than others. That's the way it is. Just because most people on this forum prefer GT doesn't mean that their judgment is too flawed to recognize other good games.

EDIT: After reading your second post I see you were confused. Sorry about that^

 

[Northstar]

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This tells pretty much about them as well. 👎

No you don't, you can make a gamertag on your computer.

 

[phil-t]

You need to have an Xbox360 to register.

This tells pretty much about them as well. 👎

They can (if you have one) link your account to the forum, they then have the ability to gift you stuff for the game, access uploaded photo's, etc. They've had several events that have gifted unicorn cars for posting comments to news stories.. How shocking that they want to interact with their community.. Shame on them

Of course, if PD get around to this type of thing, it'll be the best thing since sliced bread (And actually I'm not being that sarcastic, it would be bloody fantastic)..



I think a lot of people need to stop the mis-reading of T10 as some evil empire that have declared some 'war' against you that you must now fight on PD's behalf..

It's a game for crying out loud, two very good games by the looks of it.. Shame that isn't enough for some people.

 

[TeamStig]

They can (if you have one) link your account to the forum, they then have the ability to gift you stuff for the game, access uploaded photo's, etc. They've had several events that have gifted unicorn cars for posting comments to news stories.. How shocking that they want to interact with their community.. Shame on them

Of course, if PD get around to this type of thing, it'll be the best thing since sliced bread (And actually I'm not being that sarcastic, it would be bloody fantastic)..



I think a lot of people need to stop the mis-reading of T10 as some evil empire that have declared some 'war' against you that you must now fight on PD's behalf..

It's a game for crying out loud, two very good games by the looks of it.. Shame that isn't enough for some people.

There's nothing wrong with community interaction (hell, I would love to see PD recognize that we exist every now and then). That's not the problem though. It's the childish name calling, arrogance, and constant bashing of the competition that has given them a bad reputation. I have no doubt FM3 will be a very good game, but that doesn't excuse Turn 10 from the way they act.

 

[BenzAMG]

You could make that argument about comparing any two things. Everyone is biased in some respect. Some are biased less than others. That's the way it is. Just because most people on this forum prefer GT doesn't mean that their judgment is too flawed to recognize other good games.

People with a high fan level(like people who go to a forum every day to discuss it) are probably too much biased. Therefore there opinion is worth nothing... It's just another fanboy opinion. We already have enough of those i think.

Just trying to say that some of you look stupid(with all the fanboy talk), and you probably don't know it because your blinded with love...

 

[phil-t]

There's nothing wrong with community interaction (hell, I would love to see PD recognize that we exist every now and then). That's not the problem though. It's the childish name calling, arrogance, and constant bashing of the competition that has given them a bad reputation. I have no doubt FM3 will be a very good game, but that doesn't excuse Turn 10 from the way they act.

I'd say you are just looking far too hard for reasons to hate them.

I remember Kaz once saying (after been asked directly does FM influence his decision) that he didn't look at the competition as the poor quality meant he couldn't play them for more then 5 minutes (paraphrased).. That's hardly setting out on the right foot is it?

I agree T10 (especially Che) aren't shining examples of an ethical mentality, but just do what the rest of us do, ignore them, and let their product speak for itself, in the same way we ignore Kaz and PD's marketing rhubarb (GTHD roadmap? GT4 Online?, GT5prologue promised damage) and just let the game speak for itself..

 

[Famine]

I think you missed the point, did you actually read the thread, or just Che's post?

Yes I did.

2. You say there was no 'flaming'?.. well here's a selection of quotes from the first page...

Indeed, the contents of the opening post were not a flame. It was informaton only without bias. Interesting to note then that all the quoted vitriol came from the Forza "side" and yet the guy who created the thread was the one threatened with a ban.

That's a ban for talking about GT at all. Not one of the "flamers" was cautioned in any way. Which is actually against their site rules - being abusive or talking about GT?

I don't like Che as much as the next man, but I'd say you are just jumping to conclusions based on obvious predjudice.

What obvious prejudice would that be?

I'll grant you I hate inconsistent, bad moderating - the sensible moderator would abide by their own rules and discipline the people who can only hurl abuse rather than people who want to have a sensible, adult discussion.

 

[Joey D]

Why do people make accounts to go on other forums and say stuff against the theme of the site? You are the one causing problems, whether you want to have a "civilised" discussion or not. We see it here, hell I've been apart of it, a Forza fan voices their opinion about how they liked the game and they get flamed for it.

Would you go on a BMW forum and tell them how much better Audi's are? No you are just asking for trouble. Seriously what's the point of flame baiting in another forum like that?

 

[Hereward]

The Forza Forum is prety much a vehicle for turn 10 to put out info abou it's products, which is fine, great in fact, theres a steady stream of info from the devs straight to the fanbase. Compared with info from the GT devs the Forza devs put them to shame......but because the forza forum is basicly run by turn 10 they are VERY restrictive about what people post there. Unlike GT planet where you'll find most games discussed (in the right section) to the extent of "rival" driving sims having GTp compertions organised on the forum.......Che would probubley explode if you say tried to organise a NFS Shift leauge on there forum LOL.....No please don't try it LOL

What is interesting is GTp members and mods are happy to discuss and even join in with rival game comps....theres no hint of "fanboy" or "flamewars" going on, it dosn't happen on GTp with regular members. maybe the forza forums "control" of subject matter and reaction to "off topic" articles has an effect on it's members and there reaction to "non foza friendly" topics?

Either way, it's interesting to see how both forums are run and how there members "behave" and "react" I'm personaly looking foreward to the next Forza instalment though if I'm honest it's about 4th on my raceing games to get list.....just so you know.

GT5
NFS Shift
Supercar Challenge
Forza

Don't show Che that though, he would ban me LOL

 

[Famine]

Why do people make accounts to go on other forums and say stuff against the theme of the site?

They like trolling?

You are the one causing problems, whether you want to have a "civilised" discussion or not. We see it here, hell I've been apart of it, a Forza fan voices their opinion about how they liked the game and they get flamed for it.

We have XBox/360 subforums. Last I checked in there, the FM/FM2/FM3 discussion were going just fine.

Would you go on a BMW forum and tell them how much better Audi's are? No you are just asking for trouble. Seriously what's the point of flame baiting in another forum like that?

If you went on a BMW forum and told them you had a BMW but were considering getting an Audi as well (and posted a couple of reasons), would they threaten to ban you?

 

[warpspeed2slow]

Famine please, the post was started in the wrong forum and the rules state specifically not to compare the 2 games because it descends into a fanboy mosh pit. You may be more inteligent but you still act like a fanboy.

 

[phil-t]

Yes I did.



Indeed, the contents of the opening post were not a flame. It was informaton only without bias. Interesting to note then that all the quoted vitriol came from the Forza "side" and yet the guy who created the thread was the one threatened with a ban.

That's a ban for talking about GT at all. Not one of the "flamers" was cautioned in any way. Which is actually against their site rules - being abusive or talking about GT?



What obvious prejudice would that be?

I'll grant you I hate inconsistent, bad moderating - the sensible moderator would abide by their own rules and discipline the people who can only hurl abuse rather than people who want to have a sensible, adult discussion.

The simple fact is, a GT5 thread in the FM3 subforum (Where the OP posted) is asking for trouble, and oddly, on the first page, the inevitable fanboys jumped in.. (same thing happens on all forums before we single them out)..

Clearly, having just deleted one topic in the same forum for the same thing, perhaps Che was just annoyed that people do this..

Now lets parallel this here, with say threads of speculatory release dates, and any other 'pet hates' of the moderators, and see how quickly threads are locked etc..

To an outsider it could be misconstrued that this place won't allow free discussion of these things unless tightly controlled, however the reality is you are just stopping unnecessary rumours and spamming of the forums..

 

[Famine]

Famine please, the post was started in the wrong forum and the rules state specifically not to compare the 2 games because it descends into a fanboy mosh pit.

I've looked, but I can't find that one.

If a sensible post about a game that isn't FM1/2/3 degenerates into a "fanboy mosh pit" then it's the fault of the fanboys and of the moderators who continue to allow them to act that way despite their "expected behaviour" clause.

You may be more inteligent but you still act like a fanboy.

Way to illustrate a point by hurling a baseless accusation! 👍

The simple fact is, a GT5 thread in the FM3 subforum (Where the OP posted) is asking for trouble, and oddly, on the first page, the inevitable fanboys jumped in.. (same thing happens on all forums before we single them out)..

Who is at fault, the person who made the sensible OP or the fanboys who jumped in?

Clearly, having just deleted one topic in the same forum for the same thing, perhaps Che was just annoyed that people do this..

The topic had already been moved to the Misc forum (presumably by an unknown second moderator. Possibly behind the grassy knoll). Che threatened to ban the guy who made the thread and not the fanboys who jumped in. Bad moderation.

Now lets parallel this here, with say threads of speculatory release dates, and any other 'pet hates' of the moderators, and see how quickly threads are locked etc..

To an outsider it could be misconstrued that this place won't allow free discussion of these things unless tightly controlled, however the reality is you are just stopping unnecessary rumours and spamming of the forums..

Has anyone been banned or threatened with it for posting a release date thread?

 

[Terronium-12]

Consider this, read the primary title of this thread and look where it's been stationed (so to speak).

Has it been closed?

Has anyone been threatened with a permanent ban because they prefer Forza over GT?

No, and no again. For the most part a great deal of us here own both consoles and both games as well, and we criticize both equally. In fact, you might even notice GT is criticized more, give or take.

Furthermore, even if it was started in the FM3 section of the forum and was moved it adds absolutely no credibility to either of your statements. She decided to close the thread because it was moved from where it didn't belong (rightfully so) and members kept conversing on the matter?

 

[Hereward]

lets parallel this here, with say threads of speculatory release dates, and any other 'pet hates' of the moderators, and see how quickly threads are locked etc..

To an outsider it could be misconstrued that this place won't allow free discussion of these things unless tightly controlled, however the reality is you are just stopping unnecessary rumours and spamming of the forums..

The fact you can't post GT5 info on the forza thread is because it starts fanboy posts and flaming.......this comes from the forza members, rather than deal with it's own members it or rather Che and mods find it easier just to "lock volatile discussions" to parralel it here, simply go look in the Wii, PC, PS3 and 360 threads.....every game under the sun is discussed without problems for the mods.

 

[warpspeed2slow]

Turn10 has a far closer relationship to that forum than PD has to this one. It make sense that they would be stricter with content.

I will say that rabbid fanboyisim is accepted and almost encouraged here which I don't find the same in that Forza forum. I will say that I do enjoy this forum more though.

The issue I sense is that the GT fanboys have had a shock with GT5 and are lashing out to save face. The Forza fanboys did the same when some bad screenshots started surfacing. The funny thing is that they don't think they are doing the same thing.

 

[Northstar]

PD has nothing to do with this forum, the official GT forum is over at Playstation.com.

 

[phil-t]

Who is at fault, the person who made the sensible OP or the fanboys who jumped in?

The topic had already been moved to the Misc forum (presumably by an unknown second moderator. Possibly behind the grassy knoll). Che threatened to ban the guy who made the thread and not the fanboys who jumped in. Bad moderation.

Has anyone been banned or threatened with it for posting a release date thread?

The bottom line is, you are just now arguing for the sake of arguing (I recognise this, as it's one of my primary tactics )

Your original statement was

I mentioned the "Fail" thread because one of the objections raised was "posting about GT5 in a FM3 forum". The forum in question is called "Miscellaneous" and is for all non-FM3 topics, which the topic was.

The thread itself wasn't a flame thread. It contained relatively sensible discussion of GT5 until Che locked it. Compared to most of the FM3 threads there - which generally last about 4 posts before someone makes a derogatory comparison to GT5 - it was almost adult.


I see no reason to lock a thread simply for being about another game in an area of the site dealing with threads not specifically related to their game of choice, never mind threaten a ban. I don't recall "Talking about GT" as an offence in their Terms of Service...

The facts are,

1. The OP was in the FM3 sub-forum.
2. The thread was actually littered with Fanboy comments.
3. The thread was not locked and a ban threatened because of talking about GT in a miscellaneous forum section.

It's not a case of someone trying to get one over on you, we all make assumptions and mistakes sometimes, or perhaps don't fully explain our motivations for our comments in our posts, but as far as I can see, the issue has been addressed, the worst we can say is that moderation on FM.NET is inconsistent, but the actual original insinuation did not bear out.

 

[Hereward]

I think the issue is simply regarding this....

Next person to do this gets a perm ban.

Thanks.



Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manage

In response to a thread on GT5 which I could not see as being iflamitory, nor did any subsequent posts get to the point of personal abuse, far from it. The reaction is so over reactive it's quite comical.

I once posted up a link to "angry german kid" on youtube and got a PM explaining why it had been removed by the mods.........I didn't get a post up on the thread threatening me with a permanent ban.........

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

The issue I sense is that the GT fanboys have had a shock with GT5 and are lashing out to save face. The Forza fanboys did the same when some bad screenshots started surfacing. The funny thing is that they don't think they are doing the same thing.

I see it entirely different because currently the whole online racing world is buzzing with the news/videos of GT5.

As for Turn 10. Well i've been posting on the forza forums for many yrs now and I shall tell you exactly why GT5 cannot be mentioned but we can post about Forza on here. The reason is FEAR! Im not going to beat around the bush but tell it how it is!


Just the EU sales of GT5 will outsell FM3 worldwide sales. You could see this fear in the way Turn 10 presented FM3 at E3. How many times did they refer to their competition with statements such as "best looking racing game on any console". Now fair enough your going to promote your game but the constant references to their competition did nothing more than show their fear. You then had Che the community manager trying to bribe members to vote for a meaningless poll with a free unicorn car which backfired on them. The image of Turn 10 has certainly taken a knock because many disliked the E3 presentation and many disliked the bribe. Im frankly amazed Che is still the Turn 10 community manager!!

This post isn't me being a fanboy just posting some facts. Based on previous GT sales, FM sales you would estimate that GT5 will outsell FM3 x3/4. So the reason why Turn 10 don't like GT5 being mentioned is because they have alot more to lose i.e sales of FM3.

Just realised im going to be very popular when I post back on the forza forums after this post! Still I have said many times I will buy both games but openly admit my preference is with GT5.