Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[Famine]

You are still diverting attention away from the original point..

You claimed the GT5 thread was locked/banned simply because it was talking about GT5 in an off-topic forum.. This is not actually the case, and I believe that facts exist that prove this to be incorrect or highly unlikely. That is all.

Who moved it, Che or not? Who locked it in the Off Topic forum, Che or not?

The facts are that Che locked it, in whatever location it happened to be in (which was, at the time he locked it, an Off-Topic forum designed to contain discussion about things that aren't FM3), because it was about GT5. He threatened to ban anyone else who created a thread about GT5.

He didn't uphold his own rules and threaten to ban the people flaming others.

My interpretation of that came from...

You know if you stop asking questions in your replies to me, I'm happy to not respond, and we'll leave it at that!

One of their members claimed that their site was more mature than ours. I didn't claim that our site was more mature than theirs. Your interpretation is, thus, your problem.

I'm still waiting for the "obvious prejudice" I have (besides my dislike of crap moderators and their crap moderation).

 

[phil-t]

The point is that as a mod, you either lock a thread which has been opened in a wrong subforum, or you move it there. Moving it to the correct forum and then locking it for having been opened in the wrong section makes no sense.

Remember their forum is a developers forum, They strongly do not allow comparison threads in their main game forum to prevent flamewars which is highly understandable.

The fact that thread was retrospectively moderated, may be unorthodox, but the moderation was made based on the original post being made in the FM3 forum, the actual closing comment states this (i.e. a thread had already been closed in the FM3 forum for the same thing moments before).

I guess I don't subscribe to the 'foul play' notion that is being bounded around.

 

[Famine]

Maybe I'm just used to GTPlanet where the moderators are all appointed because they're of roughly the same mindset, apply the actual rules consistently and talk to each other about most decisions.

 

[Pierced Lead]

Remember their forum is a developers forum, They strongly do not allow comparison threads in their main game forum to prevent flamewars which is highly understandable.

If the risk of flamewars is very imminent, then I think that clearly shows how 'mature' the members of that site are.

This thread has lasted a 100 pages and I see no flamewar going on, so why couldn't it be the same with that site?

 

[nuno2k]

i love gt5 but this game will be mine

http://www.eurogamer.pt/gallery.php?game_id=11897

 

[Blitz187]

No offense, but will you two please stop throwing mud at each other the whole time... you are both starting to fall into repitition here... It started out as healthy discussion, but it has now evolved into a sort of "He said, She said" spectacle...

 

[McLaren]

If the risk of flamewars is very imminent, then I think that clearly shows how 'mature' the members of that site are.

This thread has lasted a 100 pages and I see no flamewar going on, so why couldn't it be the same with that site?

Because for every 10 members there, 8 are morons.

 

[amar212]

Because for every 10 members there, 8 are morons.

I wouldn't limit such a statement for just one particular forum regarding one particular game - because I personaly think it can be said for all open internet communities worldwide - but than it's just me.

 

[McLaren]

I wouldn't limit such a statement for just one particular forum regarding one particular game - because I personaly think it can be said for all open internet communities worldwide - but than it's just me.

I don't know how long you've been there amar, but I've been on that forum for quite a couple of years now, and their idiocy/fanboyism over there isn't just limited to games, it extends well into anything else.

 

[amar212]

Well, in last 2 months - end especially in 24 hours - I've pretty much lost my faith in many forums.

So, I still see no point is calling names just particular members of particular forum when it can be applied so much wider.

 

[Pierced Lead]

Because for every 10 members there, 8 are morons.

And I guess among those 8 is a mod...

 

[FyreandIce]

They ban people just for talking about GT. We've never banned someone just for talking about FM. In fact we have an entire forum just for it and, oooh, this thread.

Your call.

But you do/would ban people for intentionally starting threads about another game. It is flame baiting which is against the rules here just as much as it is over there.

 

[Famine]

Well, in last 2 months - end especially in 24 hours - I've pretty much lost my faith in many forums.

So, I still see no point is calling names just particular members of particular forum when it can be applied so much wider.

I've had similar experiences. Seems that GTPlanet is a very rare exception to the rule.


We only have 20% moron penetration

But you do/would ban people for intentionally starting threads about another game. It is flame baiting which is against the rules here just as much as it is over there.

No we wouldn't - and haven't.

Firstly we have dedicated forums for XBox and XBox360 games. Secondly look at the title of this thread.

 

[nuno2k]

amar212 i was expecting yesterday new footage from you , of backfire :/

 

[amar212]

We only have 20% moron penetration

Picture talks a thousand words

 

[El Drifto]

There has been a large influx of newbs, and n00bs.

 

[C-ZETA]

Picture talks a thousand words

Still full of logic as ever.

Also don't forget about the type of wheels that the games use. DFGT is for example actually based around Gran Turismo, but does Forza have one? Hmm...nope. Haven't seen one.

 

[FyreandIce]

No we wouldn't - and haven't.

Firstly we have dedicated forums for XBox and XBox360 games. Secondly look at the title of this thread.

If you read the topic title and the original post you would realise this thread has been off topic since about page 5.

It was never intended to be a Forza vs GT thread.

Still full of logic as ever.

Also don't forget about the type of wheels that the games use. DFGT is for example actually based around Gran Turismo, but does Forza have one? Hmm...nope. Haven't seen one.

The current top of the line Fanatec 911 wheel is being designed for Forza 3. Just happens to support PC and PS3 aswell (with a dongle that is)

 

[phil-t]

Who moved it, Che or not? Who locked it in the Off Topic forum, Che or not?

The facts are that Che locked it, in whatever location it happened to be in (which was, at the time he locked it, an Off-Topic forum designed to contain discussion about things that aren't FM3), because it was about GT5. He threatened to ban anyone else who created a thread about GT5.

He didn't uphold his own rules and threaten to ban the people flaming others.

One of their members claimed that their site was more mature than ours. I didn't claim that our site was more mature than theirs. Your interpretation is, thus, your problem.

I'm still waiting for the "obvious prejudice" I have (besides my dislike of crap moderators and their crap moderation).

Your whole argument is about the fact you believe that the thread was locked because it was purely about GT5? and anyone who creates a thread about GT5 is threatened with a ban?

Well, there is a thread over in the off-topic forum with the title "Have PD pulled a fast one on relase date for GT5???" at the top of the first page that has 20 replies over 12 hours.. No lock, No threats, totally contradictory to your assumption.

It was locked, as I keep saying, because comparison threads are highly discouraged in the main FM game forums (especially when it comes to GT), they always have been, that is their 'style' of moderation, and it works fine.


And I've stated my reasons for the 'obvious predjudice' statement, I am not going to change my stance on that no matter how many times you ask the question or try and subvert the reasoning.


If you believe comparative threads are so amazingly good, please feel free to trawl this very thread and see how really constructive it is, 1 person has been banned, and lots of un-necessary guff has been spouted... Then tell me how unreasonable it is to not allow such threads on any forum?

 

[Tenacious D]

To use that list as some 'proof' that one game is better then another is borderline fanboyism..

I could say the same thing about someone ignoring the more-than-childish antics of Turn 10 developers, except I might not say "borderline"...

 

[Famine]

If you read the topic title and the original post you would realise this thread has been off topic since about page 5.

It was never intended to be a Forza vs GT thread.

Oddly it has the words "Forza3", "better" (a comparative) and "GT5" in the title.

Fancy that.

Your whole argument is about the fact you believe that the thread was locked because it was purely about GT5? and anyone who creates a thread about GT5 is threatened with a ban?

Belief has precious little to do with it.

The thread was about positive aspects of GT5. Che locked it after it had been moved to the appropriate forum and threatened a ban for the next person who attempted to do the same.

Well, there is a thread over in the off-topic forum with the title "Have PD pulled a fast one on relase date for GT5???" at the top of the first page that has 20 replies over 12 hours.. No lock, No threats, totally contradictory to your assumption.

Indeed and I've seen many other threads where completely negative discussion of GT5 is permitted.

Funny that, really. Talk about GT in a negative aspect and the thread is permitted. Talk about GT in a positive aspect and the thread is locked and the starter threatened with a ban. In case people start flaming, obviously.

It was locked, as I keep saying, because comparison threads are highly discouraged in the main FM game forums (especially when it comes to GT), they always have been, that is their 'style' of moderation, and it works fine.

I don't see that in Che's response. I don't see that in their rules.

If it's against their rules they need to say so.

And I've stated my reasons for the 'obvious predjudice' statement, I am not going to change my stance on that no matter how many times you ask the question or try and subvert the reasoning.

You haven't stated anything about the "obvious prejudice" statement. I'd like to know what my "obvious prejudice" is, since you accuse me of it. Against what am I prejudiced?

If you believe comparative threads are so amazingly good

Quote me saying that, please. Otherwise this is yet another "interpretation".

1 person has been banned

Why was he banned? It wasn't for posting about Forza, that's for sure.

Then tell me how unreasonable it is to not allow such threads on any forum?

It's perfectly reasonable to allow comparison threads. Comparing two (or more) things permits objective analysis of factors and a reasoned conclusion from that analysis.

We compare cars before we buy them, so why not compare games before we buy them?

The problem arises when objectivity gives way to subjectivity and reason gives way to irrationality. That's not a flaw with comparison threads. It's a flaw with people.

 

[aspect8]

Hi all, first post here.

With regard to this argument, to be fair, Forza Motorsport forums are the official Turn 10 forums. GT Planet is a community forum. They're quite different beasts. I'd be very surprised if Sony allowed you to post Forza comparisons on their official forums... I could be wrong though. I believe a close comparison to GTPlanet would be Forza Central, who also have sections dedicated to other games, including GT.

 

[Famine]

Hi all, first post here.

With regard to this argument, to be fair, Forza Motorsport forums are the official Turn 10 forums. GT Planet is a community forum. They're quite different beasts. I'd be very surprised if Sony allowed you to post Forza comparisons on their official forums... I could be wrong though. I believe a close comparison to GTPlanet would be Forza Central, who also have sections dedicated to other games, including GT.

The closest Forza site comparison to GTPlanet would be... www.forzaplanet.net...


Incidentally, I agree. The official Sony Forums aren't a patch on GTPlanet. Stuffed full of keyboard mashing fanboys.

 

[FyreandIce]

The closest Forza site comparison to GTPlanet would be... www.forzaplanet.net...

lol

 

[aspect8]

The closest Forza site comparison to GTPlanet would be... www.forzaplanet.net...

I see what you did there!

Do Sony even have official forums? I've never found any, and GTPlanet comes up first on a Google search, along with... not much else.

 

[Famine]

Amazingly, yes they do.

The fact they're incredibly tortuous to get to is probably one contributing factor to their lack of success. The lack of focus ("PS3" is a pretty broad subject) and structure ("PS3 Games" is a pretty broad subject also), no moderation and that it's brimming with illegible fanboys probably also don't help.

And ugly. I forgot ugly. here you go.

(incidentally, we are genuinely forzaplanet also)

 

[phil-t]

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Still being subversive to the extreme, I believe there are enough 'facts' the dispel your original post, trying to change the argument to something else is not getting you anywhere.

Stick to your beliefs and opinion, that's fine..

Over and out..

 

[Famine]

Still being subversive to the extreme, I believe there are enough 'facts' the dispel your original post, trying to change the argument to something else is not getting you anywhere.

Stick to your beliefs and opinion, that's fine..

Over and out..

Interpret that however you wish.

 

[Zathra5_]

Amazingly, yes they do.

The fact they're incredibly tortuous to get to is probably one contributing factor to their lack of success. The lack of focus ("PS3" is a pretty broad subject) and structure ("PS3 Games" is a pretty broad subject also), no moderation and that it's brimming with illegible fanboys probably also don't help.

And ugly. I forgot ugly. here you go.

(incidentally, we are genuinely forzaplanet also)

I find the North American GT forum to be really good. Some of the very best racing that I have been a part of has been organized through that site. Several guys from there also post here. It is heavily moderated though. Comparisons to other platforms are simply locked.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=granturismo

 

[Famine]

Pap. I forgot that the different regions have different forums. Don't forget to clear out your cookies when hopping between them though.