FRL~WSC VIII - GTP #1 Enduros! FURI & ANDIL WIN THE FINAL AT SPA!Finished 

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Add Bathurst to the WSC VIII calendar?

  • Yes! (Will make it 10 rounds, with 3 drops).

    Votes: 17 77.3%

  • No! (Will stay at 9 rounds, with 2 drops)

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
Will Le Mans have potential rain, and will it be superPD rain that wets the track in 10 seconds and then dries off in 20 more?
 
FlyingFox
It would be nice to simplify set up for GTO cars. Just sports suspension on them would be a good start.
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That's what I originally thought (also because I don't quite know what I'm doing to make a car better). But in the meantime I've discovered that there's a downside to using a fixed suspension in GT-O ... i.e. that the spread in cars' performances is higher, because some cars are naturally fast and balanced round corners and some are not at all. With a fully custom suspension you can bring corner speeds closer together (cars with great default-chassis don't gain as much in lap time by adding FCS), so you have also less of a spread in top speeds, because that way some cars don't have to make up as much time on the straights.

I found that there are very decent setups out there for almost every car I've BoP'd so far, you just have to develop an eye for the weird ones, so you don't waste too much time testing setups that don't lead anywhere.

As a service I thought I'll also post the ones I used for BoP-ing once the next season gets officially launched. I hope this should put everyone on a level playing field to begin with.
 
I don't know why he's waiting so long to make the announcement considering a lot of us already know what's happening to the car we drive.
 
Maybe a prescribed range of settings for suspensions?
 
snowgt
That's what I originally thought (also because I don't quite know what I'm doing to make a car better). But in the meantime I've discovered that there's a downside to using a fixed suspension in GT-O ... i.e. that the spread in cars' performances is higher, because some cars are naturally fast and balanced round corners and some are not at all. With a fully custom suspension you can bring corner speeds closer together (cars with great default-chassis don't gain as much in lap time by adding FCS), so you have also less of a spread in top speeds, because that way some cars don't have to make up as much time on the straights.

I found that there are very decent setups out there for almost every car I've BoP'd so far, you just have to develop an eye for the weird ones, so you don't waste too much time testing setups that don't lead anywhere.

As a service I thought I'll also post the ones I used for BoP-ing once the next season gets officially launched. I hope this should put everyone on a level playing field to begin with.
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Well that is all well and good but if you are running the cars with a set up you have found then to keep things equal then these set ups need to be publicised otherwise you're odding the evens instead of the other way round.


Having a simple suspension set up can be offset with the BoP. Can't it?
 
FlyingFox
Well that is all well and good but if you are running the cars with a set up you have found then to keep things equal then these set ups need to be publicised otherwise you're odding the evens instead of the other way round.


Having a simple suspension set up can be offset with the BoP. Can't it?
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Putting together a BoP with fully custom suspensions and LSDs is, of course, not an exact science. But I find the results are better than trying to squeeze some cars that are behaving well and some that behave badly together. Yes, you can never be sure for each and every car, how much better it could be made with a better setup, but in my experience, if you find a setup that makes the car feel controllable and where you don't feel any major flaws and you can start to push the car to its limits, you can get pretty close to what you are theoretically able to get out of the car. And the better these setups you test with are and the smaller these possible improvements are, the better the BoP will be. For most cars, there's at least a couple of setups out there that people have published, and naturally the more there are the more likely that you get closer to what a car can do.

But like I said, it's not an exact science, so it's entirely possible that someone finds a better setup for any given car, proving that its BoP-classification should be changed.

I also don't think that this should be a tuning championship as I think we all enjoy driving more than anything else, so I'm all for transparency when it comes to setups. I really don't regard them as a tool to gain an advantage over your opposition, just as helping bringing the cars closer together and also making some of them better to drive.
 
snowgt
Putting together a BoP with fully custom suspensions and LSDs is, of course, not an exact science. But I find the results are better than trying to squeeze some cars that are behaving well and some that behave badly together. Yes, you can never be sure for each and every car, how much better it could be made with a better setup, but in my experience, if you find a setup that makes the car feel controllable and where you don't feel any major flaws and you can start to push the car to its limits, you can get pretty close to what you are theoretically able to get out of the car. And the better these setups you test with are and the smaller these possible improvements are, the better the BoP will be. For most cars, there's at least a couple of setups out there that people have published, and naturally the more there are the more likely that you get closer to what a car can do.

But like I said, it's not an exact science, so it's entirely possible that someone finds a better setup for any given car, proving that its BoP-classification should be changed.

I also don't think that this should be a tuning championship as I think we all enjoy driving more than anything else, so I'm all for transparency when it comes to setups. I really don't regard them as a tool to gain an advantage over your opposition, just as helping bringing the cars closer together and also making some of them better to drive.
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And so ends today's lesson in "Shut the **** up Ed, Snow knows better than you"..........FOOL.
 
Test day time then. @PatrisS136 is scheduled to be a test day only entry. Weekend Schedule:

TONIGHT:

7.00pm - 8.30pm Session #1 (Day)
8.30pm - 8.45pm Practise Race Start.
8.45pm - 10.15pm Session #2 (Night)


TOMORROW:
6.00pm Room Opens
6.35pm Qualifying
7.35pm Race session countdown (aiming to start 7.45pm.)
 

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