Gay Marriage

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Yes, it is, but unfairness interrupts my happiness, whether it's unfairness directed at me or not.
 
Pako
Most of the points discussed here we can banter back and forth, but one point that you seem to try and make is that it's ok because no one gets physically hurt?
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Because no one gets hurt, or has the potential to get hurt (which would address your stoplight-running ;)). That's not my only contention – destruction of property is another – but it's a big one for me. Point is, John and Tom having sex does not cause you any harm in any way.

danoff
I can see an argument for the government recognizing pair bonding since that's what we're genetically designed to do, but I would suggest that perhaps marriage should be done away with completely at the government level.
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I fully agree with you, but I just figure that it'll be infinitely easier to get gay marriages approved under law instead of trying to force the government out of it altogether… I really don't see how the latter would pass in an election anytime in the near future, while I can see government-recognized gay marriage recognized. Just a matter of choosing the path of least resistance, but I do definitely agree that it'd be better to just do away with government-recognized marriage.
 
It's nice to see that people are backing up their points now, and not just saying "good'' ''bad'' , ''yes'' ''no'' etc. without saying WHY. I think people still need to work on why theyre that way and not just saying that they arent or arent, but rather give us an explanation on your opinion. Great debate guys, i havent seen a single cod thrown into the audience yet.

[Edit] lol i think this should be called the "Mod-man Discussion Forum"
 
Sage
Because no one gets hurt, or has the potential to get hurt (which would address your stoplight-running ;)). That's not my only contention – destruction of property is another – but it's a big one for me. Point is, John and Tom having sex does not cause you any harm in any way.

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There's also emotional scaring/damage which is something that you seemed to be avoiding intentionally, not sure why.

Off-topic, but how is painting on the sidewalk a nice picture of flowers and butterflies destruction of property? I don't think the paint will deteriorate the concrete anytime soon, do you?
 
Pako
There's also emotional scaring/damage which is something that you seemed to be avoiding intentionally, not sure why.

Off-topic, but how is painting on the sidewalk a nice picture of flowers and butterflies destruction of property? I don't think the paint will deteriorate the concrete anytime soon, do you?
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Well, if your homeowners agreement doesn't allow you to do it, then you can't. If there's nothing there about it, and you own the property, then what's the problem? Fact is, not allowing gay marriages DOES hurt people. Majority rule is never an excuse for descrimination, especially when it concerns something like two people loving each other.
 
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What's the point of being right if your not happy? Isn't happiness the ultimate goal here or am I missing something?
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You're missing something. Government does not exist to make people happy. It exists to maintain order and protect human rights. Happiness is something that you're free to pursue if you choose to.

There's also emotional scaring/damage which is something that you seemed to be avoiding intentionally, not sure why.
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Why do you care what other people do consentually?

Off-topic, but how is painting on the sidewalk a nice picture of flowers and butterflies destruction of property?
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If I don't want my sidewalk painted it's defacement of property.
 
Um, one could argue that if America wanted to stop homosexuals from having sex, then they should allow them to get married....

But in retort to Ghost C:
homosexuals hate heterosexuals because they think they're be opressed.
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Um, sorry mate, but of homosexuals I know, none of them hate heterosexuals because they're heterosexual. They might extremely dislike one, but that would be because s/he was being either a prejudice biggot, an asshole, or very annoying, not because the person is straight. They're not out there to have a crusade to "convert" everyone to being homosexual, they just want to be legally and socially accepted, and I see no secular reason why they shouldn't be.
 
All I know is that Marriage should not ever be in the Constitution. Marriage is a religious idea and institution. Even straight couples should be given legal unions. If you want to get married, go to your church, if you want the government to recognize you 'partnership' get a legal union. Thats how it should be. Oh, and ANYONE should be able to get a legal union.
 
It's said in the bible that being gay is a sin, like killing. Therefore gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married in a church. But a "govermental marriage" should be allowed.

I don't have anything against gay people.
 
I am very much against it, its not natural, its a drag on the population quantity
though, alot will perhaps reject what i think, but, its what i think so, whatever
If anyone has been to or lives in places in the middle east, you will see people 'men' sadly walking in public holding hands.
Now this scared the crap outa me and made me mad, because i thought, 'what the hell is this!!!'
Im sorry, its just not normal for 2 men to be toghether its sickening, just gross really, and to be honest, i would ban gay marriages if i had a choice.
Why are the governments of the world today try and influence the way we think?
ah well
i am against gay parades and marriages totally. I am not, some extremeist or nothing like that, but, it just doesn't seem right at all. It doesn't fit the picture of life and society as a whole as i see it.
Though nothing i can do to stop it, for me its 'come day go day', stuff happens, i just adjust to it, but, i have my own thoughts on events.
sorry blabbing on

Meglo
 
Meglomaniac
I am very much against it
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true.
its not natural
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untrue.
Im sorry, its just not normal for 2 men to be toghether
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true and you don't have to be sorry, because you are just as unnatural as any homosexual.

are you chinese? no? then you are not normal.
are you black? yes? then you are not normal.
are you white? yes? then you are not normal.
are you living in poverty? no? then you are not normal.
have you got some good education? yes? then you are not normal.

this could go on forever, nobody is perfectly normal on this planet and the white, rich, educated, western european is far away from being "normal".

everyone has so many characteristics that are not normal that being gay only adds another unimportant one. and before you do not become more normal yourself, you have no right to blame anyone else. ;)
 
" The Bible says"..Do you realise that the Bible as we know it is a compilation of storys from many different cultures , people and religions. It has been translated over the years through many different languages. The religions that use it do not even agree on the correct or proper version and the New testiment had not even started to be recorded until almost 50 years after the death of Christ. Also what exactly the Bible says is open to interpetation and often contradictory.
So the Bible says...act not like sheep and use the judgement and senses god has given you .. And if its not in there some place it should be.
 
Meglomaniac
I am very much against it, its not natural, its a drag on the population quantity
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We all know that this world is dangerously underpopulated! But hey, that's why xenophobia is common and anti-immigrant policies are on the books, right?
 
ledhed
" The Bible says"..Do you realise that the Bible as we know it is a compilation of storys from many different cultures , people and religions.
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I'm not going to comment that (would be off-topic). :)

ledhed
So the Bible says...act not like sheep and use the judgement and senses god has given you .. And if its not in there some place it should be.
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The reason I brought the Bible up, is because it IS said in there, that being gay is a sin. So why on earth should gay people be allowed to have a christian wedding?

Still, I am NOT against gay marriages, as long as it's not a christian wedding.

Now I'm using the judgement and the senses god has given me. Gay people make me sick, or they make me laugh. If my big brother was gay, I would probably stop seeing him, even though it would hurt, :guilty:
 
Because I couldn't look at him anymore. Maybe if he meant something different to me, I wouldn't abandon him. You see, he has always been my most important rolemodel (he's 27, I'm 15).

[edit/] You must understand, that this would be the hardest decision ever. I would probably cry for a week or so, if this was to happen... :indiff:
 
ledhed
" The Bible says"..Do you realise that the Bible as we know it is a compilation of storys from many different cultures , people and religions. It has been translated over the years through many different languages. The religions that use it do not even agree on the correct or proper version and the New testiment had not even started to be recorded until almost 50 years after the death of Christ. Also what exactly the Bible says is open to interpetation and often contradictory.
So the Bible says...act not like sheep and use the judgement and senses god has given you .. And if its not in there some place it should be.
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So true.

Something funny I've found about Religion that drives Politics decisions:

Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18: 22 clearly states it to be an abomination. . . End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25: 44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev. 1: 9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: 2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11: 10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7. Lev. 21: 20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11: 6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19: 19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24: 10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20: 14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, as well, you have a direct line to God so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Mel"
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👍 :D
 
MadHypello
Because I couldn't look at him anymore. Maybe if he meant something different to me, I wouldn't abandon him. You see, he has always been my most important rolemodel (he's 27, I'm 15).

[edit/] You must understand, that this would be the hardest decision ever. I would probably cry for a week or so, if this was to happen... :indiff:
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So basically you do everything he does. Now there comes a point where he might do something you do not want to follow, and you stop seeing him altogether? What if he marries some nasty woman and you don't feel like doing the same?
 
That would be totally different. If you read my posts earlier, you'll see that I said that gay men make me sick. Ok, I live in Finland, and we don't have many minorities, so I'm propably disgusted by gay people because of that. But no ones perfect....

Btw, please tell me how "propably" is written... :)
 
MadHypello
That would be totally different. If you read my posts earlier, you'll see that I said that gay men make me sick. Ok, I live in Finland, and we don't have many minorities, so I'm propably disgusted by gay people because of that. But no ones perfect....

Btw, please tell me how "propably" is written... :)
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I know it's hard for Finnish people to distinguish between p's and b's as my ex-girlfriend (and still close friend) was Swedish but from Finnish parents. ;) It's probably.

Since you'd only be able to recognise about 1 out of 10 gays you met on the street or even in your life, you've met a lot of gay people that didn't make you sick.

No, nobody's perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying to be the best we can. ;)
 
Arwin
I know it's hard for Finnish people to distinguish between p's and b's as my ex-girlfriend (and still close friend) was Swedish but from Finnish parents. ;) It's probably.

Since you'd only be able to recognise about 1 out of 10 gays you met on the street or even in your life, you've met a lot of gay people that didn't make you sick.

No, nobody's perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying to be the best we can. ;)
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Thanks for the help.

I agree. It would be cool if I could live with gay people as I live with straight people. But I just can't.

And seeing a gay man/woman wouldn't make me sick. What makes me sick is touching and kissing and all that.... :ill:
 
MadHypello
Yeah, it is, kind of. But that funny quote was way off-topic.

[edit/] That was to Jpmontoya.
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Well, its goal was to demonstrate that defining laws such as a gay marriage ban according to a few sentences in the bible, is quite ludicrous.
 

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