Gen 5 Dodge Viper

[Tornado]

something of decent quality that actually don't feel like a brick is good, rx-7 or wrx-sti,supra,m3 and even caterham r-type are all better cars may not be pretty but many of those can come close to these muscle cars at Laguna(and have more fun)

No, no they wouldn't. Even though being "1337 JDM TYTE, DAWG" does add around 20HP, all that means from a practical standpoint is that they are down 300 HP instead of 320.


And the Caterham has other shortcomings, such as not having a roof or windows or fenders.

when you can get two of above mentioned for the price one viper/vette never mind parts you put a clutch in a viper Google that price.

You put a replacement rotary in a RX-7 Google "Apex Seal Replacement."

go to track have great time drive home. where as these are for go down rodeo drive.

As opposed to... a Caterham?

 

[TanJaM92]

w.e im done have fun with the pipe dream hot rod that won't last another 5years.

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

I think they are going in the right direction with the New SRT Viper, I wish they woulda done more with the motor though.

8.4 Liters should make more then 640hp I feel.. but then again it doesn't rev high so that may be a cause.

 

[Tornado]

w.e im done have fun with the pipe dream hot rod that won't last another 5years.

HEY! Don't leave your toys on the floor. Pick them up.

 

[Dennisch]

I think they are going in the right direction with the New SRT Viper, I wish they woulda done more with the motor though.

8.4 Liters should make more then 640hp I feel.. but then again it doesn't rev high so that may be a cause.

I think that the bucket size pistons are a bit responsible for that. But you get plenty of torque. And with 3.3 sec for 0-60 and 200+mph, it makes sufficient power, one would think.

HEY! Don't leave your toys on the floor. Pick them up.

I giggled. 👍

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

I think that the bucket size pistons are a bit responsible for that. But you get plenty of torque. And with 3.3 sec for 0-60 and 200+mph, it makes sufficient power, one would think.

Yeah, no question
I don't think it needs more power, just saying the powerplant could be more refined..

 

[psntomaz]

randy himself said, he did not take the Viper to it's limit. Read the article. That says quite a bit.

 

[Exorcet]

w.e im done have fun with the pipe dream hot rod that won't last another 5years.

Meanwhile, in reality

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/82791-how-many-miles-viper.html

As for the engine, just because you have displacement, doesn't mean you have to have power. 640 hp is what they wanted. No manufacture takes their engines to the limit. Though if the Venom 800 is anything to go by, the old Viper was good for 850 hp before turbos or supercharger.

Personally though, I'd much rather they lighten the car than change the engine. I'd like the opposite of this generation GTS, stripped down (really stripped down) and no concessions made for the road other than getting to the race track. It should be coming, as an ACR version has already been unofficially confirmed in an interview with Gilles.

 

[Pupik]

its a computer with a complex engine that has 4 turbos on it weighs more than a pickup

You call this a supercomputer?

 

[Dennisch]

And it turns like a brick on wheels!!

/GT5.

 

[Pupik]

And it turns like a brick on wheels!!

/GT5.

Actually, I might* get to actually drive a Veyron, whereas it's actually impossible to buckle oneself into a brick.



* Astronomical odds good as, or as close to zero as possible. That brick, on the other hand...

 

[Dennisch]

Well, that would be awesome.

 

[niky]

randy himself said, he did not take the Viper to it's limit. Read the article. That says quite a bit.

He actually doesn't. It was the MT editors who said as much, and the quote at the end was in regard to the GTR. Though it is possible.

Here's the facts. He drove a ZR1 to a faster time than the last Viper ACR. He only took FIVE LAPS to beat that record. No set-up time. No car optimization. This was a magazine test. Not one of those Nissan "Let's do a hundred laps till we make one stick" test runs.

We don't know how good the tires were before or after the test, on either car. We don't know atmospheric conditions. We don't know how much gas was in each tank. It was just a relatively informal lap comparison.

Could a Viper engineer intimately familiar with the car and track pilot the new SRT to a faster time than Randy did? Quite obviously, yes.

Could a dedicated Corvette tester intimately familiar with the track pilot the ZR1 to a faster time than Randy did? Quite obviously, again, yes.

 

[McLaren]

viper vs vette debate happens every-time. truth is they both are terrible cars unpractical over sized, over powered cars, no balance. only thing good bout them is they look good and have high resale lets just settle that there are better cars and there are worse cars soon these v8/v10 won't be made any more. they are dinosaurs from past decades.

You've never driven a Corvette, have you? So, you should probably just not speak on such topics. They are extremely practical, nowhere near oversized, & overpowered for someone who has never been behind the wheel of something with more than 300whp.

Other than that, they are some of the easiest sports cars to drive on the market. I haven't driven a Viper in a long time, but it wasn't that much more difficult. Was just a harsher ride, & not a car you could push too hard.

something of decent quality that actually don't feel like a brick is good, rx-7 or wrx-sti,supra,m3 and even caterham r-type are all better cars may not be pretty but many of those can come close to these muscle cars at Laguna(and have more fun)

This tells me again you've never driven a Corvette. What's funny is that you bring up the tank of a sports car that was the Supra.

How much did those things weigh when they went off the market? 3,400lbs? Not only was the C4 lighter when it came out by 200lbs., but shed another 100lbs. when the C5 came out.

when you can get two of above mentioned for the price one viper/vette never mind parts you put a clutch in a viper Google that price.

go to track have great time drive home. where as these are for go down rodeo drive.

And you can get 2 Corvettes for the price of a Porsche GT2. What's your point there?

The clutch in a Viper isn't that expensive compared to replacing the clutch in say, certain Ferraris of similar prices by today's market.

subaru 47 wrc titles ya lets see viper win one of those lol

39 overall, class, & championship wins mainly over the course of 1998-2005. And until the MC12 came around, was the most dominant car in the FIA GT with 23 wins taking 6/11 in '97, 9/10 in '98, 10/10 (9 for Oreca alone) in '99 & back-to-back wins at Spa 24H in '01 & '02, amongst a couple other victories to secure the 2001 & 2002 Championship.

BTW, where did you get the 47 figure from? From what I've read, Subaru hold 3 Constructors Titles, & 3 Drivers Championships in the World Rally Championship.

3 Manufacuturer wins in WRC compared to 5 in FIA? Sounds like the Viper did it to me.

how many vipers have been sold since it came out very few why nobody wants them. no bang for buck

If nobody wants them, how do they have high resale value as you claim?

DERP.

w.e im done have fun with the pipe dream hot rod that won't last another 5years.

I recall them saying that over a decade ago.

 

[ND4SPD]

You've never driven a Corvette, have you? So, you should probably just not speak on such topics. They are extremely practical, nowhere near oversized, & overpowered for someone who has never been behind the wheel of something with more than 300whp.

I can attest to this as I DD a C6 Corvette. Unpractical, oversized he says?! I find C6 to be far more practical than my 95 Camaro. It's got an incredibly large trunk, probably one of the easiest car's I've driven. Everyone and their grandmother can drive it, it's that easy. Probably the friendliest clutch on a car I've driven so far. Gets amazing gas mileage for what it is. Near 30mpg on the highway.... You can literally use this car everyday with no problems.

About the oversized statement... I hope he realizes that the 2013 SRT Viper is shorter in overall length than the 991 911. Which makes the C6 Corvette shorter than both...

No balance? I haven't personally pushed my Corvette at it's limits to fully test this, but I'm sure there's a reason why both the Viper and Corvette variants are among the fastest cars around Laguna Seca and the Nurburgring.

 

[RACECAR]

Quite frankly, the fact that he says "subaru has 47 WRC titles" (when they have only 3) and uses it as some sort of backup to his argument pretty much convinced me he has no idea what he's talking about. Credibilty , non-existant (nor contributing to the thread).

On-Topic: I think the whole attitude of dissapointment with this face-off is abit premature considering from what I hear, that was the Base model Viper going against the Corvette ZR1, which has already been known to have outpaced many cars of similar performance relative to the Viper. Part of me can't help but think thats abit of odd test, just like how certain magazines pittted the Mustang GT500 to the track-made Camaro ZL1 when to me, the it would be more proper to have pitted it against the also Track-made Mustang Boss 302.

I'd also like to say I just envy some of the people here who have actually driven these sorts of cars while I just sit here and only see them once a blue moon.

 

[Encyclopedia]

w.e im done have fun with the pipe dream hot rod that won't last another 5years.

How old are you?

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Quite frankly, the fact that he says "subaru has 47 WRC titles" (when they have only 3) and uses it as some sort of backup to his argument pretty much convinced me he has no idea what he's talking about. Credibilty , non-existant (nor contributing to the thread).

On-Topic: I think the whole attitude of dissapointment with this face-off is abit premature considering from what I hear, that was the Base model Viper going against the Corvette ZR1, which has already been known to have outpaced many cars of similar performance relative to the Viper. Part of me can't help but think thats abit of odd test, just like how certain magazines pittted the Mustang GT500 to the track-made Camaro ZL1 when to me, the it would be more proper to have pitted it against the also Track-made Mustang Boss 302.

I'd also like to say I just envy some of the people here who have actually driven these sorts of cars while I just sit here and only see them once a blue moon.

This. Pitting a base car with a top end monster isn't a good idea. You know that the ZR1 is going to own the GTS, because of the LS9 and the supercharger pushes the ZR1 over the actual HP of the Viper GTS's horses. Would you pit a C7 Vette against a GTS ACR or a SpecR GTR?

This type of comparison isn't a keen way to tell your readers or viewers that a GT500 will beat a ZL1, because the ZL makes over 550hp while a 500 is around the same HP number as it name (though it's around 490hp.) Who's gonna win? It obvious that the ZL is the winner, even with a good driver in the GT500.

It would be wise to pit a ZL1 with a GT500KR or the 302 Laguna or a R35 GTR against a LFA or the NA3 NSX?

 

[McLaren]

This type of comparison isn't a keen way to tell your readers or viewers that a GT500 will beat a ZL1, because the ZL makes over 550hp while a 500 is around the same HP number as it name (though it's around 490hp.) Who's gonna win? It obvious that the ZL is the winner, even with a good driver in the GT500.

It would be wise to pit a ZL1 with a GT500KR or the 302 Laguna or a R35 GTR against a LFA or the NA3 NSX?

Actually, the GT500 now boasts 650Bhp. And as far as lap times go, they're pretty much dead even. On the strip where these 2 are more likely to match up in the real world, the Shelby is close to over half a second quicker in the quarter mile.

The ZL1 also runs pretty similar lap times to the 302 LS as well & the 2 cars are even more equal on the 1/4 mile. Which says a lot actually for the Ford considering how far apart they are in horsepower.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Actually, the GT500 now boasts 650Bhp. And as far as lap times go, they're pretty much dead even. On the strip where these 2 are more likely to match up in the real world, the Shelby is close to over half a second quicker in the quarter mile.

The ZL1 also runs pretty similar lap times to the 302 LS as well & the 2 cars are even more equal on the 1/4 mile. Which says a lot actually for the Ford considering how far apart they are in horsepower.

That's why the real rival to the ZL1 Camaro is the 302 LS IMO. That Mustang may have less HP than the ZL, but it's more or a actual competitor to the ZL in terms of a track car.

And thanks for telling me the HP on the 500, I was mostly thinking about the typical HP on the base Shelby GT500. Even though it can make 650 and have close times on the track, but they aren't a good idea to compare unless Chevy decides to increase the ZL1's power or design a more powerful Camaro to rival the GT500. But IMO, every car should be compared with a rival or rivals in their league, not in a league that's higher or lower than the car.

 

[Zenith]

Darn it, I already sent my vote in for Post of the Year...

 

[Exorcet]

This. Pitting a base car with a top end monster isn't a good idea. You know that the ZR1 is going to own the GTS, because of the LS9 and the supercharger pushes the ZR1 over the actual HP of the Viper GTS's horses. Would you pit a C7 Vette against a GTS ACR or a SpecR GTR?

It's honestly pretty hard to think of cars that are move evenly match on paper. There is practically no difference in hp or weight. They're both FR with nearly 50/50 balance and have high torque engines using similar transmissions and gearing.

I really did expect the Viper to wins hands down. It was the better handling car since 2003 (really since 1996), and there seemed to be no end to the comments test drivers have made about the looseness of the ZR1 (though the Corvette has been in constant evolution with every mode year). This Viper was also supposed to be more composed, although MT seems to think that Chrysler did not achieve this.

 

[David]

viper vs vette debate happens every-time. truth is they both are terrible cars unpractical over sized, over powered cars, no balance. only thing good bout them is they look good and have high resale lets just settle that there are better cars and there are worse cars soon these v8/v10 won't be made any more. they are dinosaurs from past decades.

v6 turbo vette will be next can make less power than the v8 with less weight same speed.
as for viper im very surprised its still around should have disappeared long ago. imo

Just wow.

I can't speak to the merits of the Viper, but you couldn't be more wrong about the Corvette.

Have fun only driving sedans though. It's cool to try to pump a Subaru up to 500hp but these actual sports cars are bad for having big engines? Hmm.

 

[Ddrizle]

RoadflyTV

I would've loved an earlier upshift during the talking at 2:12, but oh well.

 

[McLaren]

That's why the real rival to the ZL1 Camaro is the 302 LS IMO. That Mustang may have less HP than the ZL, but it's more or a actual competitor to the ZL in terms of a track car.

And thanks for telling me the HP on the 500, I was mostly thinking about the typical HP on the base Shelby GT500. Even though it can make 650 and have close times on the track, but they aren't a good idea to compare unless Chevy decides to increase the ZL1's power or design a more powerful Camaro to rival the GT500. But IMO, every car should be compared with a rival or rivals in their league, not in a league that's higher or lower than the car.

Actually, the GT500 only makes more power than the ZL1 because Chevy dropped the ball & announced the ZL1's output long after it was asked for to match the GT500. Ford responded with a big, fat "F YOU!" & upped the Shelby to 650Bhp from 550Bhp. Which if I remember correctly, makes it one of the highest outputting production V8s in the world, let alone production car altogether. And for under $100,000.

Had they not done that, the ZL1 may have actually been a much better track car & possibly had closer times on the strip. But, my post was mainly in reply to this:

This type of comparison isn't a keen way to tell your readers or viewers that a GT500 will beat a ZL1, because the ZL makes over 550hp while a 500 is around the same HP number as it name (though it's around 490hp.) Who's gonna win? It obvious that the ZL is the winner, even with a good driver in the GT500.

Because the ZL1 wasn't. Performance categories overall, the GT500 is a beast of a car for the ZL1 to tackle & that's GM's own fault.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

It's honestly pretty hard to think of cars that are move evenly match on paper. There is practically no difference in hp or weight. They're both FR with nearly 50/50 balance and have high torque engines using similar transmissions and gearing.

I really did expect the Viper to wins hands down. It was the better handling car since 2003 (really since 1996), and there seemed to be no end to the comments test drivers have made about the looseness of the ZR1 (though the Corvette has been in constant evolution with every mode year). This Viper was also supposed to be more composed, although MT seems to think that Chrysler did not achieve this.

True. I though the GTS will own the ZR1 easily in this test, but it's kinda strange with the reviews from MT. Just like you said, the Viper was improving since the late model GTS in 2002 and the SRT-10 Viper from '03-'10, especially the ACR version. So even at 640hp, and it's lighter than the C6, the GTS should beat the 650-660 GM monster.

They should do another test with professional drivers in both cars and do the test again. If the ZR1 beats the GTS again, that tells me two scenes:

1. SRT should boost up the power at least to 650-660hp and/or shave some weight off the car.

2. That MT could be bias against SRT and Dodge, even with their improvements over the years, they won't recognize the true potential of the GTS. The Viper can own, you just gotta push it further and now it's easy since it has TCS.

Actually, the GT500 only makes more power than the ZL1 because Chevy dropped the ball & announced the ZL1's output long after it was asked for to match the GT500. Ford responded with a big, fat "F YOU!" & upped the Shelby to 650Bhp from 550Bhp. Which if I remember correctly, makes it one of the highest outputting production V8s in the world, let alone production car altogether. And for under $100,000.

Had they not done that, the ZL1 may have actually been a much better track car & possibly had closer times on the strip. But, my post was mainly in reply to this:

Because the ZL1 wasn't. Performance categories overall, the GT500 is a beast of a car for the ZL1 to tackle & that's GM's own fault.

Ok, now I see. It's really GM's fault in this scene, if they kept the ZL1's actuall power on the lower RPMs or under the radar (pun intended), it could've been a perfect rival to the 550hp GT500. But since it is a 650 monster now, it is no match for the Camaro then. No wonder they pit the 302 Laguna with the ZL1.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

 

[Horde_R35]

Great vid i was going to post that .

 

[RocZX]

 

[sumbrownkid]

Cars need to do stripes. They just have to.