General Discussion

[Austin343]

Nice job! 👍 I might be able to get enough points in that accursed SS150 race (it's much harder in NTSC, believe me, because they pit one less time) to break 111000, but... I dunno, it seems unsatisfying to do it for less than 200. That, the MX5, and the 24 hour races are all that I have uncompleted, however; the manufacturer races are almost certainly easier in NTSC. Uncle Harry, would it be any help for me to take a video of any of those manufacturer races?

EDIT: I was wrong! I'm halfway through the MX5 4 hour, in the lead. I figured out a setup that made all the difference in the world: it allows me to go the same distance as the 1800 RS on N3 tires without suffering much at the end. It's not too slow, either, even though I just sort of randomly slid the sliders around on the suspension based on what the tuning guides say. It worked well enough for me. Tomorrow I'll post a report of a probable win () and the setup as well. Then I can think about attacking SS150 and then about 111813!

EDIT 2: I did it! See the Endurance Races thread... I'm now at 111016 points, and need to try SS150 again to see if it's feasible. If not, I'll post a picture of my home screen now and give up on the A-Spec hunt. If it is, I'll go for it for 200 points, put up a picture, and then decide whether I will be able/allowed to do the 24 hour races. If not, I'll do an hour of each, and if I'm convincingly in the lead in all of them, I'll consider myself a member of the 111813 club in spirit.

 

[Austin343]

Woohoo! I don't have any hard races left now, but it would take me 72 hours to finish the last three, and I'm not sure if that's going to happen. If it does, it will be several months before I reach max.



I hope the huge low-quality image isn't too annoying...

Edit: For the sake of future viewers of this thread, I put it on Imageshack and made it a thumbnail.

 

[AMG.]

Woohoo! I don't have any hard races left now, but it would take me 72 hours to finish the last three, and I'm not sure if that's going to happen. If it does, it will be several months before I reach max. I hope the huge low-quality image isn't too annoying...

Excellent writeup on the MX5 race and well done in winning it!
Wrt the 72 hours left. So .....? You've already spent countless hours getting to withing 600 points of max. Go for it! 👍

AMG.

 

[Open Addict]

Excellent writeup on the MX5 race and well done in winning it!
Wrt the 72 hours left. So .....? You've already spent countless hours getting to withing 600 points of max. Go for it! 👍

AMG.

congrats Austin343 on the MX5 it was a B****. And I agree with AMG if you have already done everthing else 72 hours for three races is really nothing. you can easilly do a race in 5 days.

 

[Uncle Harry]

Located my missing 26 A spec points.
1 was from Granturismo All Stars at Grand valley. That has now been done for 200.

The other 25 is from Dream Car Championship at Sarthe, this has now been done.

Still to do 299 left in the enduros, 1 x 200 in the 24 hour Ring race, 99 in the MX5.

F1 races 1 left for 200, 32 left.
168/200 at Suzuka

Completed Cote dÁzure with the Chaperal for a easy 200 with a 1 lap lead..

46 left at 1000 miles (22 at Nurb, 24 at Sarthe)

60 left at Hyundai (156/176 at AR, 156/176 at HK, 156/176 at TS)

6 left at VWGTi at Paris
30 left at copen 151/166 DP, 151/166 ARM
8 left at Suzuki concept 196/200 at Seattle, 196/200 Tsukuba.

 

[AMG.]

I think most of us have gone through that experience despite good bookkeeping of points. Good luck with your remaining 500 points or so!

AMG.

 

[Austin343]

Good luck, Uncle Harry! You'll probably need it.

My advice: For the Dream Car championship, I used the GSX-R/4 for all races, including Sarthe. Use lots of nitrous to keep in the draft on the straight and you'll be fine. Also, the M3 GTR Race Car will surely work, although you'll need the LM car grid for 200 there. For Nurburgring 24 hours, you definitely don't need any help.

MX-5, well, I'm sure you've read all the posts with advice in them, but... well, try my setup (at least the basics) in the Endurance Races thread and see whether it works. Otherwise, that will be hard, and you just need practice and luck. I sure got some when the 1800 RS got stuck behind the slowest car for eons and never caught back up. FGT at Suzuka, I recommend the FGT with Car-less' setup, in the extreme and special conditions thread. 1000 Miles, just use the BLRA and spend as much time as you need to find the perfect lineup. I'm sure you've read all those posts, too.

For the manufacturers' races... hmm. I don't know what advice I can give you except to practice, practice, practice, and get really good at dirty driving. There are blow-by-blow reports for the Hyundai races which will be a big help. Not to mention using posted setups.

Have fun, and get those points! 👍

 

[Uncle Harry]

Good luck, Uncle Harry! You'll probably need it.

My advice: For the Dream Car championship, I used the GSX-R/4 for all races, including Sarthe. Use lots of nitrous to keep in the draft on the straight and you'll be fine. Also, the M3 GTR Race Car will surely work, although you'll need the LM car grid for 200 there. For Nurburgring 24 hours, you definitely don't need any help.

MX-5, well, I'm sure you've read all the posts with advice in them, but... well, try my setup (at least the basics) in the Endurance Races thread and see whether it works. Otherwise, that will be hard, and you just need practice and luck. I sure got some when the 1800 RS got stuck behind the slowest car for eons and never caught back up. FGT at Suzuka, I recommend the FGT with Car-less' setup, in the extreme and special conditions thread. 1000 Miles, just use the BLRA and spend as much time as you need to find the perfect lineup. I'm sure you've read all those posts, too.

For the manufacturers' races... hmm. I don't know what advice I can give you except to practice, practice, practice, and get really good at dirty driving. There are blow-by-blow reports for the Hyundai races which will be a big help. Not to mention using posted setups.

Have fun, and get those points! 👍

I used a FTO LM for the dream car event against all LM cars.
The Suzuki was just to bouncy for my liking on the long straight.

 

[Austin343]

Has anyone tried putting 9000 miles on their car in A-spec mode **without triggering a Diary entry**?

Practice sessions from the first race of championship events can be run to do so. Abandoning the event afterwards will only affect the A-spec mileage in the Game Status screen (and the odometer)...

Who, other than myself, *might* be willing to do this? I need 100k in 522 races. As of now, I estimate around 95k, and that's without wearing any cars down ("unnaturally"). If I can get 100k without wearing down a vehicle, then I will. But if I have to run 9000 miles in a practice session, then my thumbs and I have to have a talk...

Please help me. and my thumbs... Is there any other way to wear a car down without resorting to B-spec driving? Does anything in Arcade Mode affect the GT Mode mileage/HP?

Thanks in advance. Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard

Why only 522 races? I have done over 100k in 539 races and did not have to wear down any car. My 539 races include all 34 missions and one family cup for 200 points. Anyway I believe you can make 100k without wearing down cars. Good luck!

uups, haven't seen AMG's comment before replying

He's trying to become a member of the... uh, first of June society, it it? Whatever it is, it's basically the "minimum-day" club, where you take literally the fewest game days possible to get to 100% completion. The only difference with RoadHazzard is that he's trying to cram tons of A-spec points in there too. At least, that's what I think he's trying to say. Or maybe he means that he's going for minimum days and lots of A-specs, but not necessarily in the same game save.

RoadHazzard, I honestly think you need to give up either the 100k or 522 goal for this save, because you really won't be able to get all that many more points for driving 9,000 miles in just one car (the equivalent of doig all the 24 hour races! ). More than one would be a ludicrous amount of time, unless you figured out how to rubber band the controller, in which case you might get a broken controller. And perhaps most importantly, I think that a car will only get fully worn out when you run it in the redline, without hitting the rev limiter, for the whole time. Running it as you are considering would either not wear out the car fully or take well over 9000 miles to do it, and I suspect the former. So it's truly infeasible IMO.

 

[Car-less]

RoadHazzard, I honestly think you need to give up either the 100k or 522 goal for this save, because you really won't be able to get all that many more points for driving 9,000 miles in just one car

...

perhaps most importantly, I think that a car will only get fully worn out when you run it in the redline, without hitting the rev limiter, for the whole time. Running it as you are considering would either not wear out the car fully or take well over 9000 miles to do it, and I suspect the former. So it's truly infeasible IMO.

I ran a bunch of experiments on engine wear, and the VW Nardo concept required 10200 miles of lapping the Nurburgring to achieve the same wear as 8400 miles of bouncing off the rev limiter.

I believe my final conclusion was that the fastest way to wear a car out was to run it at a constant RPM that corresponds with the peak power output - almost impossible without going to the test track and handing the keys to Bob.

 

[RoadHazzard]

Thanks for the feedback, guys! My thumbs appreciate it!👍👍

The most restrictive factor in trying to reach 100k is that I'm prioritizing the use of only 47 vehicles for those 522 races.

It's going to be tight. I've been doing a lot of reading in the stock race thread to estimate my end total... Right now it's around 90k, but there are still a lot of points "on the table". But the more I read here, the more it looks like I'll have to wait until after 100% to crack 100k...

I'll have a better estimate as I do more testing.

But I forgot about the rubber band trick... the trouble is that most of the first races for championship events take place at venues that won't likely allow for such "auto-running"... I'll give it a go anyhow, and see what happens... My hopes are not that high.

Thanks again for the "pointers"! Have A Great Drive!
RoadHazard
...

Oh yeah.. regarding the 1st of June Society.. I've given that up for the sake of acquiring the low-mileage used cars. I just want to defer repeating races and using my 48th car until after 100%.
...

I think I can reach 100k!! (single pass, 47 cars, no transfers)

I've done some more test runs, and it's looking like I can reach my goal without having to wear any cars down...

I used 60 point placeholders for many of the OMRs I hadn't tested, and found that many of them can be won for nearly double that amount (or more) without wearing the car down. I also finally started testing the MOTUL PITWORK Z for some of the Extreme Event races, and using a Turbo 3 (instead of a Turbo 4) lends itself to some great nail-biting 200 pointers. My current estimate is around 95k, with more than 6k still up in the air.

I still have to decide on entries for the Dream Car and Premium Sports championships, and there are 13 endurance events I haven't tested yet...

Hoping to join the club,
RoadHazard

 

[Uncle Harry]

Completed all the F1 races for 200.

Still to do 299 left in the enduros, 1 x 200 in the 24 hour Ring race, 99 in the MX5.

46 left at 1000 miles (22 at Nurb, 24 at Sarthe)

60 left at Hyundai (156/176 at AR, 156/176 at HK, 156/176 at TS)

6 left at VWGTi at Paris
30 left at copen 151/166 DP, 151/166 ARM
8 left at Suzuki concept 196/200 at Seattle, 196/200 Tsukuba.

 

[tizocspeed8]

I used the Xanavi Nismo GT-R for some of the Extreme Events. I also won the GT World championship with it. It is an incredibly useful car if you're looking for a car to use in lots of events. According to B-spec, the Pitwork Z does better laps than the Xanavi Nismo, and I'm not sure, but I think it weighs more than the Xanavi. I prefer the Xanavi however, since it has less HP and has 4WD and better handling. Even with 200 ballast added it still handles very good. I'd choose it over the Pitwork Z

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I used the Xanavi Nismo GT-R for some of the Extreme Events. I also won the GT World championship with it. It is an incredibly useful car if you're looking for a car to use in lots of events. According to B-spec, the Pitwork Z does better laps than the Xanavi Nismo, and I'm not sure, but I think it weighs more than the Xanavi. I prefer the Xanavi however, since it has less HP and has 4WD and better handling. Even with 200 ballast added it still handles very good. I'd choose it over the Pitwork Z

I'll have to try the Xanavi. If it is better than the Pitwork Z, thats definitely saying something.
The Pitwork Z is a 200pt. workhorse for sure. I've completed the following series with it;

GT World Championship
Gran Turismo Allstars
Real Circuit Tours
Infineon World Sports

I believe it may be good for a few more.

 

[Omega.Machine]

Discuss 200 point races in the American and Japanese Events here

what could i do whit the point that i win

 

[GTsail]

what could i do whit the point that i win

Like the percentage of completion, A-Spec points are simply another measure of your progress in the game. If you read the second post in this thread AMG explains its purpose. I have quoted part of this post below.

AMG's Quote from post # 2: This thread is put together to help members to achieve the goal of reaching the maximum A-spec points obtainable in the American and Japanese events. Please feel free to contribute your findings too. 👍

Is there something special about A-spec points.
Yes and no, you don’t get a prize for 100.000 points nor do you get anything when you reach the maximum of 111.813 points. What you do get is a 👍 from other ‘200 point A spec nutters’ and the satisfaction of reaching 100.000 points or more. You also have the honour of adding your ‘home screen’ in the [thread=66549]100.000 Club[/thread] End of AMG's Quote

You can enjoy the game without making any special effort to accumulate A-Spec points (which is how I initially played the game). However its an additional challenge to find ways to get maximum points in a race and still win it. Picking the appropriate car plus good driving skills are required.

Respectfully,
GTsail290

 

[Omega.Machine]

Like the percentage of completion, A-Spec points are simply another measure of your progress in the game. If you read the second post in this thread AMG explains its purpose. I have quoted part of this post below.

AMG's Quote from post # 2: This thread is put together to help members to achieve the goal of reaching the maximum A-spec points obtainable in the American and Japanese events. Please feel free to contribute your findings too. 👍

Is there something special about A-spec points.
Yes and no, you don’t get a prize for 100.000 points nor do you get anything when you reach the maximum of 111.813 points. What you do get is a 👍 from other ‘200 point A spec nutters’ and the satisfaction of reaching 100.000 points or more. You also have the honour of adding your ‘home screen’ in the [thread=66549]100.000 Club[/thread] End of AMG's Quote

You can enjoy the game without making any special effort to accumulate A-Spec points (which is how I initially played the game). However its an additional challenge to find ways to get maximum points in a race and still win it. Picking the appropriate car plus good driving skills are required.

Respectfully,
GTsail290

but that not necessary to finis the games or get all the cars

 

[Open Addict]

... I have quoted part of this post below.

AMG's Quote from post # 2: Is there something special about A-spec points.
Yes and no, you don’t get a prize for 100.000 points nor do you get anything when you reach the maximum of 111.813 points. What you do get is a 👍 from other ‘200 point A spec nutters’ and the satisfaction of reaching 100.000 points or more. You also have the honour of adding your ‘home screen’ in the [thread=66549]100.000 Club[/thread] End of AMG's Quote

but that not necessary to finis the games or get all the cars

Like GTsail290 pointed out.

It is not necessary to get Maximum A-spec points to finish the game, nor is it necessary to race all events yourself. You can even get 100% without even doing the S-Licence's.

 

[Tandem]

Like GTsail290 pointed out.

It is not necessary to get Maximum A-spec points to finish the game, nor is it necessary to race all events yourself. You can even get 100% without even doing the S-Licence's.

Um... the S-License requirement on Like the Wind and many other events begs to differ... Perhaps you meant all golds?

If I remember right, sukerin has 4 settings for the aforementioned C3 corvette that takes on all the American Events for 200 A-Spec points.

 

[Austin343]

Um... the S-License requirement on Like the Wind and many other events begs to differ... Perhaps you meant all golds?

Yes, but you can B-Spec all of the S events, and none of the licenses count directly towards the completion percentage. You need B through IA because you have to do the driving missions in A-Spec.

 

[Open Addict]

Um... the S-License requirement on Like the Wind and many other events begs to differ... Perhaps you meant all golds?

If I remember right, sukerin has 4 settings for the aforementioned C3 corvette that takes on all the American Events for 200 A-Spec points.

Yes, but you can B-Spec all of the S events, and none of the licenses count directly towards the completion percentage. You need B through IA because you have to do the driving missions in A-Spec.

Points for Austin. And If it was not for the Driving Missions, you would not even need licence's at all and you could still do a couple of races, (1000 miles and sunday cup come to mind)

 

[GTsail]

Yes, but you can B-Spec all of the S events, and none of the licenses count directly towards the completion percentage. You need B through IA because you have to do the driving missions in A-Spec.

Austin343, I saw that you said that you can B-spec the S events, so still needing a few S-License Golds, I went back to give it a try.

For the life of me, I could not find out how to B-spec the S-Licenses. Must be a un-locked secret that only the hard-core know.

So I went back to your post looking for the secret code.... I read it backwards and forwards, upside down and in a mirror. Read every fourth letter (this is GT4 isn't it?). I will go to no ends to achieve my quest! I am considering getting a "black light" like in the movie "Gone in 60 seconds".

And saw that you said "S-Events" not "S-Licenses"... DUH!

Oh well, now I will have to get my last few missing golds the old-fashioned way -- by driving the cars myself.

I tell myself that I didn't want to get the Golds the "easy" way in any case (HAH).

GTsail290

 

[GTsail]

...For over a month, to no avail, I have attempted with at least 8 (I lost exact count) Copens to wear down the HP using 4 to 5 different set-up combinations in each one.

Ziltch is all have to show for it. 113/58 is it, no matter what I try, which at this point has been about 40 different combinations of parts, gearing, redlining, and other variants including all the posted set-ups. I even tried 2 different game discs, playing on PS3, and 3 seperate games, one a new startup.

Thru these experiments the only thing I found a little unusual was you could reduce the HP to 58 in about the same mileage without even redlining the car, and that was a discovery born out of desperation.

At this point I would like to add that, I have never had this problem with any other car in the game which includes all but the 2CV and Megane which are 2 of only 6 series I have left to do and I havn't literally run those 2 cars down yet.

Also at this point I can only conclude that it is
1: Not possible to achieve the HP needed for max pts with the game discs I am using do to some flaw or glitch.
or
2: There is still some magic combination or window of checking during run down....

SuperCobraJet - Do you remember your troubles with wearing out your Diahatsu Copen? Did you have similar problems wearing down your Renault Megane?

I am having similar problems wearing down my Renault Megane 2.0 16V.

I ran my Megane for 10,000 miles on the Test Track which dropped the horsepower to 125 at the sell screen (126HP on the garage screen). I then ran the Renault Megane Cup One-Make-Races and received 166 A-spec points. So, seeing that there should be 3 more points on offer, I had B-spec Bob run some more laps on the Test Track. My Megane now has 22,000 miles on it. So I went back to the Megane OMR but still could only get 166 points (and the HP on the sell screen has not dropped from 125).

... go to Test track oval and run the car for 1400 laps or so (9000 mls if it is new) preferably redlining it most of the way if you can. Stick it in triple speed mode and leave it running for 16-40 hours or so. No need to keep an eye on it because it doesn't use fuel or tyres.

Install a full custom transmission. Adjust the gears so that when top speed is achieved the revcounter is in this danger zone. You'll need to do this (in A spec mode) by testing it at Test track. Once you are satisfied it is set correctly then restart in B spec mode.
Redlining all the time will not be always possible and the amount (time) varies per car. The more you can get the car to redline the better. On average it will take 9000 miles to achieve maximum wear on the new engine.
Wearing out a 2nd hand car is only useful if it has done less than 9000 miles and has not had an oil refresh....

AMG.

As recommended by AMG and Open Addict, I have had B-spec Bob do 4500 mile stints and adjusted the transmission between his stints so that essentially all laps are in the redline. I have added various HP upgrades so my Megane is running with 32 extra HP on S2 tires and at level 4 (faster). Could level 5 (push) make a difference? I have the aids at 0,0,2 which is how I ran the OM Races. Would this matter? There are stage 2 and 3 NA tunes that could be added (I did not purchase them, but the dealer has them waiting for me). Could running the engine with more horsepower matter? AMG seems to recommend adding all the HP that you can get, but I normally don't buy it for a car that I want low horsepower on.

I am getting bored watching the Megane go around and around and around with no change in the horsepower.

Is there a quirk in wearing out some of our NTSC cars?

I see that you eventually got your Copen's horsepower to drop by running the Copen below the redline (if I read your post correctly).

Should I try this with my Megane?

Has anyone figured out this quirk or does my B-spec Bob just not push hard enough?

My questions are not specifically directed to SuperCobraJet, anyone's comments would be appreciated. I just saw that SuperCobraJet had problems wearing out a car and wondered if there was a further explanation.

I'm willing to try anything, I want those 3 points!!

GTsail290

 

[Open Addict]

GTsail290,

I assume you are using the Renault Megane 2.0 16V and not the coupe version.

It's been a little while since I ran this one, but I dont recall having any problem with wearing the ride down. I think (some-one could also back this up) but you may need to fins a line up with four Coupe's in it. But dont hold me to that.

I will check out soon and let you know when I can.

OA

Edit: Going through my notes (becasue they are on my work computer) I found this from bttlefed which states 125bhp is what you need.

 

[Austin343]

This was a routine car for me to wear down, and I think your problem is not having the car upgraded to the maximum removable horsepower. I always assumed that bit of advice was intended to make the process finish more quickly, rather than being a requirement for full wear, but perhaps I was wrong in my assumption. Also, it's conceivable that you need to set Bob at pace 5: watch him for a lap and see if he brakes entering the corner; if he does, then increasing the pace is probably your solution. I doubt this car is one that needs less than redline, because that's only needed for cars whose power really tails off by then. At this point, since others have reported that their car refuses to finish wearing after too many miles with something wrong (e.g. not enough or too many revs), you should probably buy a new car and start over with the wearing process.

And referring to what Open Addict said, the lineups are actually exclusively made up of the same car you're wearing out, the 2.0 16V.

 

[Open Addict]

..And referring to what Open Addict said, the lineups are actually exclusively made up of the same car you're wearing out, the 2.0 16V.

Sorry my bad, I just couldn't remember what i raced against.

But I do remember not having a problem wearing out this ride though.


Maybe, unfortunately, buying a new one and starting the wear again might be the only solution.

 

[AMG.]

As OA mentioned, check you've got the right car. I fell for the "wrong car" at the time. I always added all removable HP I could get, set the tranny to redline by testing in aspec for not more than 1/3 of a lap. Then ran Bspec in triple mode at setting 5 and checked at 9000mls to see where Bob had got to. The Renault never gave me any issues in losing hp.
This game may seem impossible at times and you may wonder you've got a special disk. I did too with 3 lap Mission Ford GT at Laguna but in the end you'll find that your Renault will lose hp.

AMG.

 

[Dotini]

There is a useful refinement to the above posted wearing out techniques:

After setting your gear ratio to achieve maximum rpm without tripping the rev limiter in A-spec, do the same process over again in B-spec, and you will find a different gear ratio is needed. Set Bob on level 5, then ride with him on forward view for no less than 3 full laps as he slowly builds up to speed. Shorten the ratio in top gear if he does not trip the limiter until you find the highest possible rpm that will not eventually trip the limiter by lap three, finally lengthening it by one scant click over the tripping rpm.

As the engine loses power over the next few hours, the rpm will drop, and this process may be repeated to again find maximum rpm to assure and hasten the wearing out process.

 

[GTsail]

Thanks everyone for your thoughtful suggestions.

I sometimes think that my A-spec quest is too easy because I can follow in the footsteps of so many giants!

Following all your suggestions, I am currently running my Megane back at the Test Track with all HP upgrades installed (I had to give B-spec Bob a full-face helmet because he is really smoking now), on pace 5, plus I set the aids to 0,0,0 (thinking that maybe the TC prevented engine strain).

I have checked, and I am not using the Coupe. I am using the Megane 2.0 16V. I also checked the downforce, and I do not have a wing installed by mistake.

I will put another 5000 miles on the car before giving up and buying another car. I will let you know how it turns out.

Respectfully,
GTsail290

 

[tizocspeed8]

What races do you still have left Dotini?

And how much points do you have Gtsail?