Give us better sounds - PLEASE !!

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I don't really care about sound improving or not, I often play late night with my tv's muted, and I can still drive fast doing seasonal time trial that way - just as fast with sound rocking the house when i use my home theater, visual cues are more than enough for me- I got an eagle eye and dexterity to compensate the non existent sound lol
 
light driver
This is an idiotic discussion...Me being VERY critical with all the things GT5 does wrong (Faulty network servers, a ridiculous meny system, too many Lancers, Skylines and Imprezas, way to few tracks and a few things more)

BUT SOUND is one thing that GT5 does very well...If You listen to DonZondas video, Gt5 is the realistic one...The other one being NOISIER thats all...To me "the other" BMW M5 sounds like a US car...

And the racecars...Well how many of You have actually driven a Toyota GT-ONE??? Answer: NONE of You....So none of You can tell, which ones the most realistic...
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Ah, so one must drive a certain car to know how it sounds, probably the single most asinine thing to be said yet. There is a difference between a GT fan and a GT apologist. One actually speaks with in reason and the other one treats the game as if it is their child or some dogma. To sit their and make a cop out that we must drive a car, because seeing it personally in action or listening to recordings isn't enough. I guess I must play a guitar or drums to know what they sound like, eh? Cause everyone knows if you don't do that you'll never know.

GT hasn't done sound right ever. There were times it was better than it is now, but they haven't updated their sounds in a long time. And PD have done the minimum required up to now and just passing it off. For you to sit here and make the most crazy of claims, just shows how deluded some people get when they grow too attached.

Perhaps You have noticed that modern cars REALLY SOUNDS A LOT LIKE VACUUM CLEANERS...Especially luxury sounddamped cars...And yes SOUND DAMPED expensive cars don`t make much noise these days...If You drive a luxury car You will find, that most noise comes from the wind, whirling around the outside mirrors, the engine is distant. The higher the speed, the more wind noise takes over..So the other game is simply too loud and childish...
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Modern cars in the luxury class don't sound like vacuum's...what you did here is called placing the blame. Instead of giving blame to where it belongs (GT), you instead blame actual auto manufactures. Listen to a new M3, CTS-V, E55, E63 AMG, Lexus ISF 400 and I actually have driven and been around people that own them, thus you are wrong. There is wind noise but the engine is quite loud because of such large displacement and high power. Also you lose this round, because in the case of the M3. BMW purposely went out of their way to make a soundtrack that functions with the accelerator. In other words, BMW didn't think it was loud enough so added to the sound with artificial sound. Yet hey, clearly that's wrong cause obviously Luxury cars are now insulated like Beyonce's music studio.

OK the whining sound of turbos is the only thing better on "the other game" - GT5 doesn`t make much of it...
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PD use to have a great turbo whine and blow-off valve noise.



And yes, I also have noticed that GT5 re-uses a lot of the engine sounds in different cars...Thats understandable, as many cars really sounds like each other IRL...
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Actually, that isn't understandable at all, if it is the same engine then that is fine. However, making one V10 or V8 sound like the other isn't right, as you just complained about with the PGR games making the BMW sounding too american. So what is it? Do you think similar V8s should sound the same or are you going to be irritated that they sound too similar to others...

Also since you don't care to go to racing, and a majority of the people who post here have been to races or are avid car enthusiast and not just fans of GT (racing and play GT go hand and hand believe it or not).
 
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Whistle Snap
Briefly mentioned at the end of this video interview, he says they research everyday to improve the sound and are working on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=stZ2wrjIzCI#
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That video has already been posted here, please try to read the thread before posting info over again in same thread.

Also that is called PR, some people have sense to not buy into it like when one watches New Media. Others tend to eat it up and be gullible to it. Not to say you are, but I'd pose this question. Do you think it would be in Kaz and PD's best interest to say "yeah the sounds are the same as GT5", knowing good and well people had a serious issue with it or..."We are researching everyday to improve sound"?
 
They just need someone who knows his business, a new leaddesigner for the sonund department. Or teach the guys who do the sounds how to do it right... They can't be so ignorant or arrogant to get help from outside... or are they?!
 
DonZonda
They just need someone who knows his business, a new leaddesigner for the sonund department. Or teach the guys who do the sounds how to do it right... They can't be so ignorant or arrogant to get help from outside... or are they?!
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If there is no Japanese person capable of doing this, PD is left without help. As westerner it is very hard to go to work in Japanese company. They could outsource sound department but that would be like finger in the face of current sound crew, and their pride would not allow this.
 
That's true, as far I know there arent really proper racing games from Japan except Gran Turismo. But I'm pretty sure there must be people who know about sound! Especially in such a technically advanced country like japan is.
 
Here I tried to compress, distort, and eq-ed the GT5 engine sound DonZonda recorded earlier, using Maximus on FL Studio, to make it more rougher and distorted.. I also increase the mid frequency to make it louder..

Listen to this, tell me what you think guys..


https://soundcloud.com/chiyolate/gt5sounds-compressed-and-eqed

(Please ignore the LOUD wind sounds because it was not supposed to be edited in the first place)
 
Dodzzz
Here I tried to compress, distort, and eq-ed the GT5 engine sound DonZonda recorded earlier, using Maximus on FL Studio, to make it more rougher and distorted.. I also increase the mid frequency to make it louder..

Listen to this, tell me what you think guys..


https://soundcloud.com/chiyolate/gt5sounds-compressed-and-eqed

(Please ignore the LOUD wind sounds because it was not supposed to be edited in the first place)
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What's the "other game"?
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Ah, so one must drive a certain car to know how it sounds, probably the single most asinine thing to be said yet. There is a difference between a GT fan and a GT apologist. One actually speaks with in reason and the other one treats the game as if it is their child or some dogma. To sit their and make a cop out that we must drive a car, because seeing it personally in action or listening to recordings isn't enough. I guess I must play a guitar or drums to know what they sound like, eh? Cause everyone knows if you don't do that you'll never know.

GT hasn't done sound right ever. There were times it was better than it is now, but they haven't updated their sounds in a long time. And PD have done the minimum required up to now and just passing it off. For you to sit here and make the most crazy of claims, just shows how deluded some people get when they grow too attached.


Modern cars in the luxury class don't sound like vacuum's...what you did here is called placing the blame. Instead of giving blame to where it belongs (GT), you instead blame actual auto manufactures. Listen to a new M3, CTS-V, E55, E63 AMG, Lexus ISF 400 and I actually have driven and been around people that own them, thus you are wrong. There is wind noise but the engine is quite loud because of such large displacement and high power. Also you lose this round, because in the case of the M3. BMW purposely went out of their way to make a soundtrack that functions with the accelerator. In other words, BMW didn't think it was loud enough so added to the sound with artificial sound. Yet hey, clearly that's wrong cause obviously Luxury cars are now insulated like Beyonce's music studio.



PD use to have a great turbo whine and blow-off valve noise.


Actually, that isn't understandable at all, if it is the same engine then that is fine. However, making one V10 or V8 sound like the other isn't right, as you just complained about with the PGR games making the BMW sounding too american. So what is it? Do you think similar V8s should sound the same or are you going to be irritated that they sound too similar to others...

Also since you don't care to go to racing, and a majority of the people who post here have been to races or are avid car enthusiast and not just fans of GT (racing and play GT go hand and hand believe it or not).
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Man that was a big load for me...I can`t give You back on all that, but my basic point was that it´s not that bad after all...

To pinpoint what I meant, I will give You a little equalitation (did i spell that correct), just like Jesus did:

Imagine Great God above asking the starving children of Africa: "What do You want"???

And 100mill hungry mouths reply in one voice: "We want an IPhone5"

(But they would be better off, wanting something to eat, and a roof above their heads and a bed to sleep in)

OK.... The Iphone5 equals ENGINE SOUND....Something to eat equals FIXED ONLINE SERVERS......A roof above their poor heads and a bed to sleep in equals the stupid MENU SYSTEM AND FREEZING/LOADING PROBLEMS and all the other FAULTS that is in the game....eeeh see??:dunce:
 
No what you're trying to do is tell other people what the main issues with the game are when it's just opinion. You think the menu system and online servers are the biggest faults, other people think sounds. It's not a factual thing, it's opinion and you continually telling us what to think isn't going to work.
 
I get your point on that one, but you can't compare those things. Sound is a very important aspect in a racing game. And like every other racer out there does it better than the "Real Driving Simulator". Which should also deliver real sound and not just proper physics etc. If that issue was a major issue in the game industry I would understand it. But it's not because studios with way less experience do way better on the sound.
 
SimonK
No what you're trying to do is tell other people what the main issues with the game are when it's just opinion. You think the menu system and online servers are the biggest faults, other people think sounds. It's not a factual thing, it's opinion and you continually telling us what to think isn't going to work.
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To me the online servers and freezing etc is in fact a big problem...Say that the sound is perfect, but the servers are malfunctioning...Then You cannot race online....

say the sound "could be better" but the servers are fine...In that case You CAN race online...Hey having said that, I really don`t know if YOU (and other people out there) are experieng the same problems as I do...And OF COURSE it`s my opinion...I don`t say You cannot disagree...I make my point in a thread, thats all...:)
 
I've never experienced a great problem with online servers personally. Besides not everyone plays online so for those that don't I'm pretty certain sound will be more important.

Also it's ignoring the same old point that people working on servers and online are not the same people working on sound so it shouldn't be a case of one or the other.
 
light driver
To me the online servers and freezing etc is in fact a big problem...Say that the sound is perfect, but the servers are malfunctioning...Then You cannot race online....

say the sound "could be better" but the servers are fine...In that case You CAN race online...Hey having said that, I really don`t know if YOU (and other people out there) are experieng the same problems as I do...And OF COURSE it`s my opinion...I don`t say You cannot disagree...I make my point in a thread, thats all...:)
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Do you need to release a new game to fix the servers though? I'm not tech minded so I don't know.

Also the servers won't be fully tested until the game goes live. I'm not pleased with having to buy a new game to fix server issues ? What if it happens again? GT7?
 
Not to mention that camera usually gets more low tones than human ear.

Most stock sounds are not that far off from real ones, they lack a bit of boost in low tones in most cases. The biggest problem is when we change the exhaust.
 
fifomaniak
Not to mention that camera usually gets more low tones than human ear.

Most stock sounds are not that far off from real ones, they lack a bit of boost in low tones in most cases. The biggest problem is when we change the exhaust.
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A bass boost isn't enough, the samples are completely missing the basics, granted, nobody (other developers/games) really goes as deep as recording all the sources but they at least make up for it with slight sound effects that make them believable. GT in general is missing these little effects but the latest GT titles lack even more.

Some samples are just completely off, nothing is going to make them sound right, cases like the Sauber C9, the Jag XJR9, Ferrari 330 P4 need to be redone/re-recorded from scratch.
 
dr_slump
As comparison:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuqjZx4BkKw">YouTube Link</a>

GT5 is closer than you'd imagine...
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I know. It's just a lot of games never can get all areas of that engine's sound right.
 
dr_slump
As comparison:





GT5 is closer than you'd imagine...
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The game recordings are supposed to be from the interior, not strapped right up against the exhaust. When you do the latter, all you get is exaggerated flow noise, especially with forced induction.
Of course, GT5 doesn't use interior samples, it mixes the external recordings instead - that means it's mostly exhaust for GT5. PGR4 is a real interior recording, so that video isn't comparable (in case it isn't obvious to other people - I realise it's not the point of your post).

A lot of people probably don't realise it, but stock Supras don't really sound that "interesting". Because of the exact configuration of the twin-turbo plumbing on the exhaust side, you get a dull hum with a slight six-cylinder overtone / growl on transitions, and off throttle. The intake is heavily silenced, so it has no high-frequency sparkle to it, and it's still the dominant part of the PGR4 recording.

The interior does sound pretty dull in the stock car compared with the typical, perhaps expected, single-turbo setup people tend to run:



Even with a free-flowing, virtually unsilenced exhaust and intake (except the turbine, compressor and intercooler), it still sounds uninspiring with the stock manifolds:

 
Race Room Experience - free to play on Steam has pretty nice sounds.
I just remeber really getting into it hotlapping because of the nice sounds :)

The multilayering and throttle lift sounds and engine braking is what GT games lack




 
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There are a few cars in GT5 that sound exactly like in real life, but i also have the feeling that PD neglected most of the cars for some reason.

For instance the Tom's Chaser's 1JZ sounds perfect, but to my surprise the Soarer GTT with the same 1JZ sounded like a vacuum cleaner!
 
light driver
Man that was a big load for me...I can`t give You back on all that, but my basic point was that it´s not that bad after all...

To pinpoint what I meant, I will give You a little equalitation (did i spell that correct), just like Jesus did:

Imagine Great God above asking the starving children of Africa: "What do You want"???

And 100mill hungry mouths reply in one voice: "We want an IPhone5"

(But they would be better off, wanting something to eat, and a roof above their heads and a bed to sleep in)

OK.... The Iphone5 equals ENGINE SOUND....Something to eat equals FIXED ONLINE SERVERS......A roof above their poor heads and a bed to sleep in equals the stupid MENU SYSTEM AND FREEZING/LOADING PROBLEMS and all the other FAULTS that is in the game....eeeh see??:dunce:
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Not sure using "god" is the best way to convey a point online...but that's you, as SimonK points out you see it one way, and a group bigger than you sees it as big an issue. Perhaps if the cars we drove around had barking or mooing noises coming out their ass then you'd get the issue. The issue is the same with everything else. The quality isn't their and then they have the nerve -like you- to tell us that we can't hear, or that sound is too perfect. You yourself just got done saying that you don't go to races...so how would you know what a C6R sounds like if you haven't been to Limerock, Road America, Le Sarthe, or other international events? You wouldn't unless you watch the series on tv or the net. Also with on board feeds and sound we get a sense of what the driver is listening too, and probably more so since they have a helmet, earplugs and a radio feed.

To say engine sounds is luxury, you must equally agree that force feed back, and visuals are also a luxury and if those have issues we shouldn't complain.

Your explanation in the end makes no sense you weight the issues that resonate with you to a higher cause, while others wouldn't. I myself have only ever had issues with freezing while online, and the menus never harmed my game play. Also GT is about racing and driving, not sure if you noticed so when there is a quality issue with what the game is said to do, then it should be addressed. I couldn't care less about menus, hell if PD gave us back GT2 or 3 music, menus and download times I'd be quite happy. The quality of driving and racing is the core issue and sound is apart of driving and racing.

You also do a disservice to yourself (not sure you care) by overusing that dunce emoticon as if to try and make us seem idiotic because you can't explain things. Or have a lack of depth to make a good argument, which is not objective but your personal subjectivity. The reasons you give are not fact, and you treating them as if they are a factual reality over other people's issues isn't going to help you. In the end I deduced and gave better reasoning and you even mention it, so I find it ironic that you use that emoticon due to your lack of reasoning.

Also I believe the word you were trying to spell is equalization if that helps, not sure
 
a lot of you won't like this, but forza can already deliver pretty decent engine sounds. this immense difference in sound quality made me switch to forza.

i think if gt 6 is not a big step in the right direction, then it just does not seem to be very high on the list for the gt dev team. znrortunately the first videos i have seen do not show any improvements, although it is probably unfair to judge those early clips.

we will see, but i am not holding my breath for this one. the next big thing in simulated driving will be assetto corsa, although that is exclusive to the pc
 

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