[Gran Turismo 5 @ TGS 2009] (SEE POST1!: New vids. Interviews!)

[Devedander]

The first part is your opinion (duh!), you enjoy making and painting race cars over racing, and that's good. But implying that Prologue sold as many copies as FM2 in less time with a smaller PS3 user base because it's a better racing game is pure nonsense. It's probably a factor, but not the only one. I wonder if the fanbase spawning all the way back to 1997 in the case of GT as opposed to Forza's fanbase originated in 2005 had anything to do with it...

I bet Brittany Spears could sell more $100 tickets to a 1 song show of her crap music than almost any of the smaller/newer (MUCH BETTER) bands could if their tickets were $50 and a full set.

Just saying... sales numbers are complicated and prove nothing besides how much something sold.

 

[Slurm]

I would expect that it's sold less because of the price of PS3s, in addition to Prologue being.. a prologue. Look at how many GT5 prologues have sold compared to GT4 prologues! lots

 

[Coiler]

Is that HSR ?

Maybe Someone can translate the board ?

 

[Lucas]

And there's probably more reasons than that. You can call those four million of us a load of fanboys, but then, how is that any less opinionated, or any of the things you posted, than anything I've stated? Especially the bold part.

Because I have seen people say here that they would buy the next GT no matter what, including if it was a piece of crap? GT5 sold that much because it's a newer Gran Turismo. The title itself says it, Gran Turismo 5: Prologue. That IS GT5 we are playing, only a lesser version of it.

Look at it this way. You have pretty much said what GT5 is with that list of yours (online actually is one of the strongest factors why GT5 is played, with only 6 tracks and offline you would die of boredom after a few days). People bought it. If they knew what they were buying, why did they bought it in the first place, knowing it was that small? Because it's Gran Turismo. They didn't know what physics (fundamental for a racing game) were like when they first bought the game. And knowing it was a short one, they bought it anyways. Why? Because it's Gran Turismo. It's that simple. I know I would buy GT5 only because it's Gran Turismo. And I know the quality of Gran Turismo beforehand.

Someone in the forum has said that past success isn't an indicator of future success, or something along the lines. But people still buy games based on past success, including myself.

And I wasn't calling anyone a fanboy. Because I am included in GT4's millions of players. And I bought a PS2 just because I wanted to play GT4, after having played GT2. And by my posts here, you over all members must know I'm far from being a GT fanboy.

 

[aaron17]

(from the video) series dieing out? noeessss!!!!!!!!!!!
*cries*

 

[turbomp301]

That guys opinion is of no value to me.

 

[Rand al Thor]

I wouldn't doubt it. I bet he's checking out their physics, livery editor and damage system.

the magic carpet physics? the retarded damage system where you crash at 100mph and still drive off?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

the magic carpet physics? the retarded damage system where you crash at 100mph and still drive off?

Well, yes, but obviously PD doesn't want to mimic that lol. But it's good they take other games into consideration.

 

[turbomp301]

He might be trolling the Forza3 forums.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Maybe Someone can translate the board ?

Ah yes, please do.

 

[frank-jaeger]

http://www.destructoid.com/fact-ps3-fanboys-are-the-worst-149259.phtml

The same site that was talking crap about GT5 !

 

[Scaff]

They didn't know what physics (fundamental for a racing game) were like when they first bought the game.

They did if they downloaded the demo!


Scaff

 

[Devedander]

Died out... questionable...

But the other stuff?

In development for a long time? Check

Looks great? Check

Wheel more realistic? Check

Most people won't have that setup at home? Check

Collisions do not impress him? Check

He would probably be playing with a controller at home? I guess check...

So... other than that he didn't give GT a good or raving review, what exactly was wrong with this guys video?

 

[Coiler]

Died out... questionable...

But the other stuff?

In development for a long time? Check

Looks great? Check

Wheel more realistic? Check

Most people won't have that setup at home? Check

Collisions do not impress him? Check

He would probably be playing with a controller at home? I guess check...

This is your option, ours is different...

 

[wkhnky]

Maybe Someone can translate the board ?

There's nothing important,just the staff's name.

 

[Dave A]

Nothing, but people are jumping on him because he didn't say how fabulous it was. It's just a case of mass over reaction. I wouldn't class that short vid as good journalism, in fact I'd say it's rubbish journalism, but the only thing he said wrong was that the series is dieing out. Sales dissagree.

 

[Devedander]

This is your option, ours is different...

OK please fill in the blanks

In development for a long time? <blank>

Looks great? <blank>

Wheel more realistic? <blank>

Most people won't have that setup at home? <blank>

Collisions do not impress him? <blank>

He would probably be playing with a controller at home? <blank>

 

[RattyMcClelland]

Because I have seen people say here that they would buy the next GT no matter what, including if it was a piece of crap? GT5 sold that much because it's a newer Gran Turismo. The title itself says it, Gran Turismo 5: Prologue. That IS GT5 we are playing, only a lesser version of it.

Look at it this way. You have pretty much said what GT5 is with that list of yours (online actually is one of the strongest factors why GT5 is played, with only 6 tracks and offline you would die of boredom after a few days). People bought it. If they knew what they were buying, why did they bought it in the first place, knowing it was that small? Because it's Gran Turismo. They didn't know what physics (fundamental for a racing game) were like when they first bought the game. And knowing it was a short one, they bought it anyways. Why? Because it's Gran Turismo. It's that simple. I know I would buy GT5 only because it's Gran Turismo. And I know the quality of Gran Turismo beforehand.

Someone in the forum has said that past success isn't an indicator of future success, or something along the lines. But people still buy games based on past success, including myself.

And I wasn't calling anyone a fanboy. Because I am included in GT4's millions of players. And I bought a PS2 just because I wanted to play GT4, after having played GT2. And by my posts here, you over all members must know I'm far from being a GT fanboy.

You hit the nail on the head there.
I bought my PS3 for Gran Turismo. GT has established itself as a great game series and i will buy it purley for the fact thats its Gran Turismo. All my past experiences with GT right from 1 has been the best that they could have been at that time.
If the new GT5 is just like GT4 in terms of things to do, tracks and cars but with prologues physics and graphics i would still buy it because its a new GT.

Only thing im not buying is GTPSP as i dont own one.

 

[daus26]

http://www.destructoid.com/fact-ps3-fanboys-are-the-worst-149259.phtml

The same site that was talking crap about GT5 !

I can't believe how even editorials would even get in the ridiculous fanboy stuff and writes a whole essay about it.

Nothing, but people are jumping on him because he didn't say how fabulous it was. It's just a case of mass over reaction. I wouldn't class that short vid as good journalism, in fact I'd say it's rubbish journalism, but the only thing he said wrong was that the series is dieing out. Sales dissagree.

People probably jumped on him for that reason. I don't think the ones who jumped him cared as much about comments about GT5 having bad damage because really we all can clearly see that. But the tone of his voice (guy says it like GT can only be great with a wheel??) with the addition of the totally clueless comment about GT dying since GT2 (this is a big deal), we shouldn't be surprised some people react to the way they did. Clearly if he was a GT enthusiast, I doubt he would have said that. No matter how it is, saying GT dying since GT2 is a VERY bias comment. He has no concrete support to back that up, making it a typical troll-type comment, and that's what gets some people.

 

[Tenacious D]

Indeed. Just talk about Forza the same way this "journalist" did and see how angry some people get.

It's funny that you're considered unbiased only if you're critical of Gran Turismo on a GT site...

 

[Devedander]

Indeed. Just talk about Forza the same way this "journalist" did and see how angry some people get.

Spot on... silly Forza fanboys would get all riled up!

 

[daus26]

OK please fill in the blanks

In development for a long time? <blank>

Looks great? <blank>

Wheel more realistic? <blank>

Most people won't have that setup at home? <blank>

Collisions do not impress him? <blank>

He would probably be playing with a controller at home? <blank>

If you look at each of the questions you listed, don't you think they're very shallow. He notes the obvious, like the game looking great. No matter what the truth holds for each of those, in the end, the guy obviously had a negative reaction towards GT5. Good editorials or journalist should leave us in a neutral attitude on the subject.

If he were to be less shallow and more informative, why on earth mention as to something about a wheel or controller? Well duh, wheel is more realistic than a controller, so why comment on such an obvious thing, let alone judge a game by it? Does the guy not know, every racing game out there in the world, people have choices between a wheel or controller? There's just no point to it, nor his whole video.

 

[Devedander]

OK please fill in the blanks

In development for a long time? <blank>

Looks great? <blank>

Wheel more realistic? <blank>

Most people won't have that setup at home? <blank>

Collisions do not impress him? <blank>

He would probably be playing with a controller at home? <blank>

If you look at each of the questions you listed, don't you think they're very shallow. He notes the obvious, like the game looking great. No matter what the truth holds for each of those, in the end, the guy obviously had a negative reaction towards GT5. Good editorials or journalist should leave us in a neutral attitude on the subject.

If he were to be less shallow and more informative, why on earth mention as to something about a wheel or controller? Well duh, wheel is more realistic than a controller, so why comment on such an obvious thing, let alone judge a game by it? Does the guy not know, every racing game out there in the world, people have choices between a wheel or controller? There's just no point to it, nor his whole video.

If you will look at the context I was told those questions and the checks were only my opinions and others differed. So I put them back up and asked for what his opinion was that differed on them; basically fill in your own check marks and see where they are different.

Shallow or not that's what the guy said, those are the points he covered but he got slammed for them... so the question is why? Becuase the all seem to be reasonably accurate.

 

[drivatar]

Personally I didnt see much difference over prologue. The graphics didnt seem any better, and I did notice some screen tearing. Physics wise everything seemed exactly the same. I didnt notice the rear of the car being any wilder.

Slowdowns and tearing happen a lot in GT5P. I really hope they can fix it for GT5, but the GC and TGS demos make me worry a bit. Forza2's 60fps are extremely stable and v-synced.

Anyone know what this guy is doing on those monitors? Also, anyone else notice the copy of Forza 2 below the left screen?

Are you sure? The covers I found via google look different.

 

[monoha]

Sounds like he said something about the controller not being compatible with the demo.

Maybe he is lost in translation and thinks the actual game won't be compatible with a controller - which would justify his negativity towards the game itself just by the controller/wheel issue. Why would he be negative about the demo not being compatible with a controller, when we won't have the demo at home anyway?

But we all know - and he should as well - know that it won't be the case. You will be able to use the controller, du'h! If he really thinks like that, then I also would call him a retard - or some kinda journalist troll (that exists?)

👍

 

[Devedander]

Sounds like he said something about the controller not being compatible with the demo.

He didn't say it clearly, but what I got from that was he wanted to try with a controller but they only had wheel setups there and wouldn't let you try it with a controller.

 

[daus26]

If you will look at the context I was told those questions and the checks were only my opinions and others differed. So I put them back up and asked for what his opinion was that differed on them; basically fill in your own check marks and see where they are different.

Shallow or not that's what the guy said, those are the points he covered but he got slammed for them... so the question is why? Becuase the all seem to be reasonably accurate.

No I get you. I meant to quote your other one. My bad. Like I said, he didn't get slammed for those exact questions. It's the overall feel to that whole video. If you don't get what I mean, I tried explaining it on my other previous post.

Nvm here it is:

People probably jumped on him for that reason. I don't think the ones who jumped him cared as much about comments about GT5 having bad damage because really we all can clearly see that. But the tone of his voice (guy says it like GT can only be great with a wheel??) with the addition of the totally clueless comment about GT dying since GT2 (this is a big deal), we shouldn't be surprised some people react to the way they did. Clearly if he was a GT enthusiast, I doubt he would have said that. No matter how it is, saying GT dying since GT2 is a VERY bias comment. He has no concrete support to back that up, making it a typical troll-type comment, and that's what gets some people.

He didn't say it clearly, but what I got from that was he wanted to try with a controller but they only had wheel setups there and wouldn't let you try it with a controller.

Nah, there were some controller set-ups there.

 

[Devedander]

No I get you. I meant to quote your other one. Like I said, he didn't get slammed for those exact questions. It's the overall feel to that whole video. If you don't get what I mean, I tried explaining it on my other previous post.

Yeah he got slammed for it, but it still begs the question, why OTHER than he was not favorable of GT? I mean he wasn't impressed, he gave his reasons why, and they were all legit (except the dying off part, and while dying off is certainly not accurate, he may well have been alluding to stagnation which is more reasonable).

Nah, there were some controller set-ups there.

Then he either was unaware of this or I have no idea what he could have meant as he basically said "these wheel setups are neat, but most people will be using controllers, I didn't get to test with controllers because they dont' support it". He obviously can't think GT5 just doesn't support controllers since he says he would be playing it with a controller at home so what else is left?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Are you sure? The covers I found via google look different.

Yeah, guess you are right. Saw the orange and thought that's what it was. It's definitely an xbox game case though.

 

[monoha]

He didn't say it clearly, but what I got from that was he wanted to try with a controller but they only had wheel setups there and wouldn't let you try it with a controller.

He was negative about the no controller support in the context of playing it at home - which doesn't make sense. Seriously.
That actually sounds a lot like a certain poster on GTP about GT, trying to take something really good and turn it around to something negative. in this case - Sony provides steering wheels for the convention visitors playing pleasure and extended experience with the demo - which suddenly is a bad thing - what would he have said if there only were controllers at the convention center?