Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[hogger129]

I would like to see it as a PS3 game, or at least released on both consoles, so that I don't have to spend a few hundred dollars upgrading.

 

[Exorcet]

On this, I'm not too sure. GT4 had so many events to do, I recall that I had a few ways I could go even early on in GT Mode. I made it a point to get the truck races out of the way for instance, as I'm just not a big vehicle fan.

Gran Turismo is never set up like a hockey game, with a definite season mode in which you basically take your games as they come up on the calendar, and the only out you have from that is to play a single quick game apart from all that. GT5 did have that annoying XP system which added an unnecessary hurdle to both racing cars and certain events. I hate that more than anything else in the game, and that did put a glass ceiling over you in the game, forcing you to do races over and over to get the XP up to where you could not just open up events, but cars for those events. But even within the structure of GT5 GT Mode, you had a few options, just fewer than usual because the A-Spec and B-Spec sections were so small and poorly structured.

Now, a bunch of us are asking for options, such as within that definite structure of the real life racing world. Many of us want to see a bunch of GT Mode events arranged sort of like in GT3, long series of races but in a league-like format, something down the food chain of events. Some of us want to see the return of Manufacturing Cup races. Some of us want a Season Mode which is rather like a racing season in a league such as DTM, WRC, BTCC and so on, with a calendar, competitors and points to determine your standing like in the real world. And I could go on. I don't know how much of that we'll see, but I suspect that PD is going to be working on making GT6 a satisfying experience. How many of us it will make happy, we'll just have to see when it ships.

I suppose you could consider your path through the events options, but I was thinking more along the lines of damage on/off, AI difficulty, race length, etc. GT Mode has only ever had one main setting. Maybe if Arcade Mode was more than an afterthought, this would be OK, but you don't really have enough control in Arcade Mode either.

I'd like to be optimistic, but after so many games, and especially GT5 (forcing SRF on, or ASM on for NASCAR events) it's hard to do that. I'll just take a wait and see approach.

 

[Tenacious D]

Innovation, new ideas and approaches. I don't even mind if they get it a bit wrong on the first try, just try something different and new to the genre that isn't a broken XP system.

Griffith-> That s what keeps Gt from evolving. The GT community is revering Kaz and can't even think of novelty!

(snip the rest, pretty good ideas actually)

Okay you two, be careful what you wish for. This is how we got GT5.

But I know what you meant, especially with cassius' post. Gameplay elements that reflect something of real world racing. The PS3 did present something of a dilemma though. There were a few articles by tech guys who studied the framerate and other issues between Prologue and GT5 itself, and indicated that something hampered the graphic engine in the final game. There are three main differences between the two in GT5: a weather build, time of day transitions, and a 3D implementation. Since every car and track in Prologue was at Premium level and we had 16 car races, and still had a slightly better looking game overall, and since only a few tracks have weather and time of day settings, I put most of the blame for GT5's graphic issues on SONY's insistence on 3D being included.

Time of day and weather effects were evidently some work, or they would have been on all the tracks. Damage is a headache for any race developer, because hardly any of them are as good as in Codemasters games and Forza. And something had to give in the game engine for that. Forza had environment reflections on cars that crept along at a very low framerate, and did some of that in F2. It also suffered hiccups in replays during collisions. Even Forza 4 has obvious shortsheeting going on in the game engine. Watch a replay, and your stock car is the only one making noise as you pass other cars. In fact, every car roars around like it has a Borla. Live For Speed has cars that deform like putty, and the GTRs don't suffer much visually, at least in the builds I had. And from what I've read in reviews, Dirt 3 is the first Codies game since the Toca series to have good physics again, but their steering implementation has previously been crap, so I'm a little leery of it.

But as for the rest of cassius' ideas, they reflect notions bumping around from some of the more thoughtful posters here and would be a wonderful addition to not just GT, but any racer which includes street cars. Having said that though, what other game has "evolved"? Toca was always Toca, with a real story mode that irked a number of the fans. Forza's big Top Gear inclusion in F4 was Jerry blathering in the intro and that idiotic bowling thing that you HAD to do to progress through its "career." Sim racers are kind of like Madden, with basically the same thing every game but with more/different cars and tracks and a physics and graphics face lift. So why is Gran Turismo is the one that HAS to evolve?

Okay, I'm one of those guys who wants that, but it's because of the potential of the basis of the game, rather than thinking the GT format is stale. If it was that bad, why did Turn 10 basically copy the entire game? When I do race in GT5, I do nothing but Arcade events whis are nothing more than "grab a car and race." So if GT6 is basically old school Gran Turismo with a few touches here and there, I'll be disappointed for a few minutes - until I make my profile and get into the game. Kind of like how we do with every other racer that doesn't evolve much at all either. And I will have to point out an obvious contradiction here. You can't say on the one hand that the PD team won't try new things, and then on the other grouch about all the new things they tried in GT5 that suck. Come on, now.

But listen, Kaz gets pelted with questions from fans and journalists every year of what will be different in the new Gran Turismo. And you know he's had little digs in about the flaws and weirdness in GT5. This isn't going to be ignored by a guy who faces this at least a few dozen times a year, plus spokespeople from SONY, along with a steady stream of criticism from the fans. And I really can't take anyone seriously who insists Kaz ignores what fans like. Did we or did we not get drifting challenge way back in GT HD in 2006? It seems to me that they wanted to do a lot more than the PS3 was capable of delivering without a lot of work, and some things just weren't possible, like the Movie Maker. Forza 4 with the 360's 512 megs of unified ram lets you upload all of 30 seconds to YouTube. Meh. Half a minute of awesome drifts, wrecks or abuse of the physics engine, and it doesn't seem to be used all that much. And GT5's Course Maker was a bunch of road options along pre-baked terrain features, with a little randomness thrown in for surprises. It's going to require the new consoles to enable something worthwhile on features like these.

The people at Polyphony are human beings, Japanese human beings, who take pride in what they do. They don't shrug off criticism like we do in the west with our "whatever" attitude. There will be changes in GT6. What they are, we'll see in time.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

The people at Polyphony are human beings, Japanese human beings, who take pride in what they do. They don't shrug off criticism like we do in the west with our "whatever" attitude. There will be changes in GT6. What they are, we'll see in time.

Hopefully they won't screw us over again with $200 DLC, that isn't available in ever country no less! Not having launch DLC available to everyone was a low blow. The gimmick DLC (Facebook Jag and Schick Camaro) was silly. PD should rise above the exclusive DLC shinnanigsns.

 

[cassiusclay99]

Tenacious D-> I don't understand how we can disagree so much...when we agree on so many things !

I ll just tell you why I think Gt has to evolve (more than the other series or not: it's not the point imo): GT is 15 yo, 3 generations of consoles, 5 complete iterations + 1 on Vita... and it's still only a grinding game, nothing more. Absolutly nothing.

You still have to pass the same old driving licences, you still start buying the same cars, driving dozens of times the same race just to get enough money to buy this other car you already bought 15 years ago... and 4 times since!

Physics and driving aside, it's still the same game.
Don't get me wrong: of course driving feeling is the most important thing... but hey! PS3 is 100 times more powerful than the PS1 , my T500rs+playseat+Th8RS are 100 times better than my old Gt driving force, my sound system is 100 better than my Tv hp...of course the driving is gonna be hugely improved!

So... back to my point: why Gt needs to evolve....
1) Because they are the best...and you need to always put yourself into question if you want to stay on the top
2) Because GT is very time consuming: make a bad game design choice and the experience will be hurt for hours and hours (loading times, bad UI, horrendous menu navigation, etc...)
3) Since GT is a game that requires hours and hours of play, it means that fans have been spending hours and hours on each iteration... replaying the same game over and over.... for 15 years... don't you think they ll find it boring? I find it boring to redo what I have done 10 times. I find it boring to force me to play with a crappy car against crappy opponents for easy wins when i finished every game already and proved that I already can drive!
4) Forza is coming hard. Imo it's still behind Gt in terms of driving feeling and graphics, but for everything else, Turn10 puts PD to shame.
5) Look at Burnout and Need for speed: from a racing game to an open world game to a open world with the best online integration ever (Autolog is top notch)
6) GT5 sold well...true. But when I look at my friends rank on the game, most of them are under level 15... they barely played the game! You can't deny GT5 disappointed big time.
7) Yamauchi needs to change its communication: no official forum, no public representative, no english speaker in the team...? When are we? 1980? ANd this is for the biggest Sony franchise ever! Think of it and then tell me they care about their fans.
Hell! GT planet even had to make a poll to centralize all the grinds about GT5! Did PD comment on it? Did they aknowledge the problems? i don't remember reading anything that sounded like a aknowledgement from kaz. last time he spoke, it was to say that maybe engine sounds are too.... perfect!? Is he for real ?

PD has the reputation to be very perfectionnist...but that's not true since GT4 (tyre consumption in GT4 was a joke...it was not even proportional to the race length so you had to stop 10 times on some races! How could they not notice it?! Or the 3 minutes wait each time you failed at the Mercedes SLR challeng...3 minutes waiting for opponents to start! EVERY time you failed! Did they even try their game?)...

GT5 is the most bugged AAA I've ever seen... seriously. crashes, black screens, freezings... And even patches were bugged and not tested enough. For 2 years, the game physics was different if you were online or offline! 2 years!! For 2 years, the official wheel T500RS was bugged and you could not configure its strenght. Wanna talk about the clutch? The PP calculation? the fact that tyres simulation is so broken (though revamped already...but still broken!) that you never need to put on Hard race tyres. Soft ones are so much better that they always compensate the additional pit-stops. How hard would it be for PD to alter the soft ones quicker ?
Even visually, PD made choices that hurt the game more than it should: the IQ is bad (why spend so much efforts in having -almost-1080p if the IQ is so bad?), the framerate is bad (bis), the shadows are a mess,some tracks are ugly, most standards cars are a shame that ruin the whole visual impact, some cars were even modeled thanks to toy cars (Majorette?), etc... the list is infinite.

So why on Earth do people still think PD are perfectionnists? Seriously.
15 years ago, GT was so visionnary that you would forgive anything. 15 years later, nothing new excepts bugs and unfinished features.

So yes: GT needs to evolve... or it will just become a serie amongst the others.

 

[Ranman20]

Its funny that certain people fiercely criticize GT and say GT won't do good on this system or GT belongs on this system for so and so reason. People still gonna buy it because its GT. People gonna buy it because they played it for genarations and genarations. I'm pretty sure the people who are sick/tired of GT5 are gonna buy it.

 

[cassiusclay99]

Ranman20-> So? What's your point?

 

[TokoTurismo]

Ranman20-> So? What's your point?

Basically his point is you'll buy GT6 anyway. How could you not get that is beyond me dude, seriously it is...

Love all the 🤬 about "Oh PD's gonna suck if GT6 is not on PS4 or will on PS3 because of GT5." Yeah keep talking, cause I feel entertained.

I still have faith in them.

 

[Eks]

Love all the b****hing about "Oh PD's gonna suck if GT6 is not on PS4 or will on PS3 because of GT5." Yeah keep talking, cause I feel entertained.

It won't completely suck, no. But it won't be as good as it could have been on PS4.

Honestly, I think that GT6 on PS3 will just be a corrected GT5.

 

[TokoTurismo]

It won't completely suck, no. But it won't be as good as it could have been on PS4.

Honestly, I think that GT6 on PS3 will just be a corrected GT5.

Could be, could be not, we just don't know what PD has in store for us with the game. o_o Who knows, GT6 could be on both systems knowing Sony.

EDIT: Also, I don't expect everyone to just jump to the next generation with a flick of a finger. Maybe some, but not all and depends on them about the price first.

 

[defoncateur3k]

Honestly, I think that GT6 on PS3 will just be a corrected GT5.

Is it not the PD way? One early empty game on a new console, then the more complete one that we will all undoubtedly praise.
May be you aren't concerned by the following, but so many players have for wishful thinking that a PS4 GT will be what GT5 should have been... and yet, if anything, it'll just be the new "empty GT" on the newer system, and we'll have completely skipped the "more complete GT" of the PS3 instead.

Whatever happens, the decision is already taken in the headquarters. So, instead of focusing on the console on which it'll release, I'd rather wish for them to have actually taken into account the flaws of GT5 and worked on it. And I could bet high that GT6 on PS3 would still blow my mind just like it did with GT4 and GT2. \o/

 

[Ranman20]

Also I hate when people compare the older GTs to a new one. That's the past not present. So who cares for past sales figure to new ones. So GT3 sold more than GT5. If you release a non redefined GT3 it won't do good. I would vomit at GT3 graphics. Not saying it wasn't good at the time it came out but compared to todays graphics its trash. I don't know why people look at older GT games and say PD should be like this again. No. I want PD to start from scatch and rebuild their pride and have something fresh.

 

[Ills1999]

Could be, could be not, we just don't know what PD has in store for us with the game. o_o Who knows, GT6 could be on both systems knowing Sony.

EDIT: Also, I don't expect everyone to just jump to the next generation with a flick of a finger. Maybe some, but not all and depends on them about the price first.

Everything I've seen regarding the reasoning from PD as to why GT5 was a disappointment had to do with the limitations of the PS3. Have those limitations been removed?

 

[sparkytooth]

Also I hate when people compare the older GTs to a new one. That's the past not present. So who cares for past sales figure to new ones. So GT3 sold more than GT5. If you release a non redefined GT3 it won't do good. I would vomit at GT3 graphics. Not saying it wasn't good at the time at came out but compared to todays graphics its trash. I don't know why people look at older GT games and say PD should be like this again. No. I want PD to start from scatch and rebuild their pride and have something fresh.

I disagree with GT3 graphics there my friend.Sure GT5 trumps it but atleast GT3 has better shadows . Also GT3 still looks good despite being over 10 years old.

 

[Ranman20]

I disagree with GT3 graphics there my friend.Sure GT5 trumps it but atleast GT3 has better shadows . Also GT3 still looks good despite being over 10 years old.

I see where your getting at. But I believe GT4 is the mastermind at being the best GT for now...

 

[sparkytooth]

I see where your getting at. But I believe GT4 is the mastermind at being the best GT for now...

It might be the best in terms of gameplay but GT3 still beats it in graphics.

 

[Ranman20]

It might be the best in terms of gameplay but GT3 still beats it in graphics.

Are you sure? The Ford GT looked real enough to me. Even when you opt it to 1080p, you still think GT3 is better graphics wise?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Also I hate when people compare the older GTs to a new one. That's the past not present. So who cares for past sales figure to new ones. So GT3 sold more than GT5. If you release a non redefined GT3 it won't do good. I would vomit at GT3 graphics. Not saying it wasn't good at the time it came out but compared to todays graphics its trash. I don't know why people look at older GT games and say PD should be like this again. No. I want PD to start from scatch and rebuild their pride and have something fresh.

People compare them because in some aspects, the older GTs are better than GT5. Mainly gameplay wise. And they did try some new ideas and a number of them were not executed well, like the silly idea of paint chips.

 

[cassiusclay99]

Basically his point is you'll buy GT6 anyway.

Love all the 🤬 about "Oh PD's gonna suck if GT6 is not on PS4 or will on PS3 because of GT5." Yeah keep talking, cause I feel entertained.

I still have faith in them.

You think i REALLY did not get what he meant ?

His assertion that I would still buy the game is useless. We are talking about PD's prduction value, Kaz's decisions ans GT quality... not if I am gonna buy it or not.

How could you not get that is beyond me dude, seriously it is...

 

[Ranman20]

People compare them because in some aspects, the older GTs are better than GT5. Mainly gameplay wise. And they did try some new ideas and a number of them were not executed well, like the silly idea of paint chips.

I see your point. GT5 went in the wrong direction. I paid for a simulator and I want a simulator.

 

[sparkytooth]

Are you sure? The Ford GT looked real enough to me. Even when you opt it to 1080p, you still think GT3 is better graphics wise?

Can't beat those sunsets and night times. GT4 does look incredibly awesome in 1080i and in photomode.

 

[TokoTurismo]

You think i REALLY did not get what he meant ?

To me it sounded like you didn't, haha. But now since you said you did, I don't care.

Everything I've seen regarding the reasoning from PD as to why GT5 was a disappointment had to do with the limitations of the PS3. Have those limitations been removed?

Don't know. Since GT6 could be on PS3, they could have worked it out I guess. :\

 

[Exorcet]

Also I hate when people compare the older GTs to a new one. That's the past not present. So who cares for past sales figure to new ones. So GT3 sold more than GT5. If you release a non redefined GT3 it won't do good. I would vomit at GT3 graphics. Not saying it wasn't good at the time it came out but compared to todays graphics its trash. I don't know why people look at older GT games and say PD should be like this again. No. I want PD to start from scatch and rebuild their pride and have something fresh.

GT1 had a boost pressure setting and on the transmission page, you had the gears, their RPM's, their speed ranges, and the powerband in detail, on a graph labeled with units and the peak power/torque marked clearly.

That says it all for me. Throwing out the old to something new is idiotic. Add to the old instead of replacing it, at least when the off was done correctly. In the case of GT, only GT1 has a "correct" transmission set up menu.

And of course, let's not mention qualification. And the lack of levels or XP.

 

[Tornado]

Also I hate when people compare the older GTs to a new one. That's the past not present. So who cares for past sales figure to new ones. So GT3 sold more than GT5. If you release a non redefined GT3 it won't do good. I would vomit at GT3 graphics. Not saying it wasn't good at the time it came out but compared to todays graphics its trash. I don't know why people look at older GT games and say PD should be like this again. No. I want PD to start from scatch and rebuild their pride and have something fresh.

I'd like very few things more than PD to return to the far, far more realistic tuning that GT2 and GT1 had.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'd like very few things more than PD to return to the far, far more realistic tuning that GT2 and GT1 had.

Nevermind that, I'd even settle for GT5's tuning screen being given proper absolute numbers, not relative ones. My car's ride height being "-20" up front is daft, especially since the game is obviously storing the actual values.

Yet another issue I have with GT5 that requires absolutely no additional console power...

 

[The_Rpg_Moogle]

Who knows, perhaps the entire console market is destined for extinction within just a few years? With Logitech abandoning console peripherals, Sony going through hard financial times and mobile devices such as the iPad becoming more and more important platforms for gaming, the end of the consolosaur era may come sooner than we think. Evolution does not always mean bigger and stronger, sometimes it means switching concept entirely...

Don't talk like that, you scare me! Me wants my precious consoles! Think about steering in Gran Turismo by tilting your Ipad!

 

[Foxiol]

Don't talk like that, you scare me! Me wants my precious consoles! Think about steering in Gran Turismo by tilting your Ipad!

So you want to play a Simulator with no feels at all. Amazing.

Some people don´t understand what a game like this really is for car racing lovers and car enthusiasts in general.

It is good to like the game for what it is an all, play it with whatever you want and how you want, but this is a racing game, a simulator, no feels = no good. At least that´s for me.

I don´t really care if consoles "die"...it could mean that we can see future iterations of this game on PC, who knows. Now that can be really good. (those who also play on PC knows what I mean)

 

[maxpontiac]

Its likely Microsoft will reveal their console before E3. What if they show Forza on the NextBox? What if theys how 32 AUto Vista quality cars racing around the Nurburgring at night, with all headlights working, and in the middle of a rainstorm? That sure puts Sony and PD into a corner.

What if the sky falls? Gran Turismo as a series isn't some housewife all alone at home with some boogeyman named Forza stalking outside her windows.

GT will continue to lead the racing sim market by a substantial margin and fans everywhere will continue to support it. However, there will be exceptions as there are individuals who will refuse to be happy unless everything is perfect.

Because people who are hungry for a new GT may choose to not purchase a PS4 in order to get their fix if it's simu-released on the machine they already own.

I am not quite sure how to respond to this statement. Please elaborate, because I believe that GT6 will arrive on both the PS4 and the PS3 to meet the hunger.

I'll say that if GT6 is released on PS3, it won't suck. It will be a good game, an improved game. Most of us will love it. I can imagine that some journalists won't be kind, especially if as Earth pointed out rather dramatically, Forza 5 is out on the NeXBox and can accomplish a bunch if not all of what he suggests. That will be a seriously bad day for SONY.

I know a lot of people think Kaz has lost it in GT5 and just can't recover. I don't share that view. I have faith that the team still knows how to deliver an amazing game to us, and PS4 will enable most of our dreams to come true.

Of course most people will love it, and I can bet that nearly everyone in this thread will buy it. Some before others. Ah, yes, the "journalists".. I don't particularly like them very much and really don't care what most of them have to say. They have way to much unchecked power over the video game industry but I will stop there and leave that alone.

You keep saying that TD, that Sony will be in some type of "bad day" when Forza 5 arrives. I heard the same doomsday talk here about Forza 4 too, and you know something? Last time I checked, FM5 sales are no where NEAR Gran Turismo Five's dispite it's alleged "superiority".

If Kaz is still the boss, GT6 will just prove that he has no idea what to do next. With Kaz in charge, expect nothing but an arrogant, pompuous, broken mess.

Could you be any more dramatic over this whole thing?

Love all the b****hing about "Oh PD's gonna suck if GT6 is not on PS4 or will on PS3 because of GT5."

I still have faith in them.

LOL. This post put a smile on my face. A lot of people do give off the vibe that they hate Gran Turismo but STILL love talking about it. I agree with you, PDI and Gran Turismo will be fine.👍

 

[Ills1999]

I am not quite sure how to respond to this statement. Please elaborate, because I believe that GT6 will arrive on both the PS4 and the PS3 to meet the hunger.

I thought I was pretty clearly stating that releasing GT6 on the PS3 and PS4 will cannibalize PS4 sales. The only question is extent.

 

[Brutaka]

For people saying that GT6 should release on PS3 because its too early in the PS4's lifecycle; should GT3 have been a PS1 game?