Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[TokoTurismo]

I don't think that it's on the PS3.

If it were on the PS3, then why would they be so secretive about it? They weren't this secretive on GT5, they're so quiet about GT6 that we STILL obviously don't even know what system it will appear on.

I actually like the fact that they're being very quiet with GT6, and whichever platform it'll be on. It maybe annoying to some people, but to me IMO it's just so much fun and than be surprised in the end (such as this upcoming E3 this year). Can't wait.

I think I know exactly what Sony is planning; just won't say it though.

 

[maxpontiac]

Kaz did explain the secrecy was to do with all the false hype before GT5, i.e. the inability of certain gaming communities to exercise a bit of self control and self awareness in respect of their expectations of the game.

Yes, because all of us should remember how this place reacted over GT5.

 

[Griffith500]

Well, I was talking about the media, too, in fairness. But I guess in a lot of cases, they are just pandering to gamers for hits.

 

[hogger129]

Hopefully they actually listen to the customers when they make GT6. I don't understand how they can take SOOOO long to make these games and then its competitors like Forza take far shorter time and come out with a better game. By better I mean it has more cars, cooler tracks, much more customization, the cars sound real and not like a vacuum. I really liked Forza but I hate XBOX. I don't want to pay for online. I mean GT doesn't even have Porsche? You kidding? How can it call itself a racing simulator without Porsche?

Plus will DLC content for GT6 actually be released as promised? I remember them saying DLC content for GT5 like ever 2 months or something, but I can't remember the last time DLC content came out.

 

[hogger129]

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I don't think that it's on the PS3.

If it were on the PS3, then why would they be so secretive about it? They weren't this secretive on GT5, they're so quiet about GT6 that we STILL obviously don't even know what system it will appear on.

I don't believe it will be either. They have already produced two titles on the PS3 (GT5 Prologue and GT5). I think it will be a launch title for PS4.

And it will suck because I will not want to pay a few hundred dollars to upgrade, plus it will probably suffer from the same things other GT games have (see previous post).

 

[avens]

Hopefully they actually listen to the customers when they make GT6. I don't understand how they can take SOOOO long to make these games and then its competitors like Forza take far shorter time and come out with a better game. By better I mean it has more cars, cooler tracks, much more customization, the cars sound real and not like a vacuum. I really liked Forza but I hate XBOX. I don't want to pay for online. I mean GT doesn't even have Porsche? You kidding? How can it call itself a racing simulator without Porsche?

Plus will DLC content for GT6 actually be released as promised? I remember them saying DLC content for GT5 like ever 2 months or something, but I can't remember the last time DLC content came out.

The Turn10 team has more staff and possibly more cash.

Does anyone know if sounds are related to that? Other reasons I can think of are underqualified employees (we already saw their recording methods) or blaming the ps3 once again, which would mean gt6 on the ps4 has to sound spectacular.

Kaz did explain the secrecy was to do with all the false hype before GT5, i.e. the inability of certain gaming communities to exercise a bit of self control and self awareness in respect of their expectations of the game.

The game was under development for six years, PD hyped it to death and ended up not including lots of features and content, promised by Kaz himself and in trailers.

Customers are never the problem. It is the companies reading it badly.

And in the end what we want is not hype: there's plenty of that already. What we want is a release date, on which platform it is going to be available and hopefully some basic information about the game, but this time it has to be true and not just bluffing to keep people hyped (that powerpoint presentation photo is iconic, so is the standard cars and tracks situation).
Edit: and duplicates ofc, that's practically false advertising

 

[TokoTurismo]

Plus will DLC content for GT6 actually be released as promised? I remember them saying DLC content for GT5 like ever 2 months or something, but I can't remember the last time DLC content came out.

Ahh the good o "Kaz promised us they'll bring out DLC every two months". Not even going to bother...

And it will suck because I will not want to pay a few hundred dollars to upgrade, plus it will probably suffer from the same things other GT games have (see previous post).

Saying GT6 will suck just because of "GT5" especially, even though it HASN'T been shown at all yet, is just plain out guessing. 👎

 

[avens]

Saying GT6 will suck just because of "GT5" especially, even though it HASN'T been shown at all yet, is just plain out guessing. 👎

PD cannot do magic though. For example it'd be naive to think GT6 will have 1000 cars considering that it took them 6 years to do less than 200 unique premium cars, and they have to re-make the current standard tracks (gt4 copypastes) such as laguna seca and motegi.

 

[maxpontiac]

Well, I was talking about the media, too, in fairness. But I guess in a lot of cases, they are just pandering to gamers for hits.

Yeah, websites whether they be news related or forums do their best to get the people to visit. But I what I think the majority of them don't realize is that all of these over top reactions by journalists and forum goers does little to help the situation.

There is a huge difference between being constructive and down right insulting and childish.

Plus, as you stated above, it was a huge factor in making PDI becoming more secretive with things.

Not even going to bother...

Wise of you.👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

PD cannot do magic though. For example it'd be naive to think GT6 will have 1000 cars considering that it took them 6 years to do less than 200 unique premium cars,

You see. The thing is I don't believe PD can have up to 1000 premium cars, nor do I care how many cars are in the game. It's pretty obvious because in Kaz and PD's vision they're wanting to make accurate looking cars (which takes time do it) as well hopefully capturing the physics from there real life counterparts (like Enthusia).

and they have to re-make the current standard tracks (gt4 copypastes) such as laguna seca and motegi.

GT5 is basically a "premium and standard" kinda game, since there is "premium and standard" cars, the tracks are also that imo. GT6 should hopefully have all the tracks and there sceneries upgraded. Can't wait to see them beat pCARS's track sceneries.

Wise of you.👍

Thank you. 👍 Better than wasting time to argue.

 

[Griffith500]

The Turn10 team has more staff and possibly more cash.

Does anyone know if sounds are related to that? Other reasons I can think of are underqualified employees (we already saw their recording methods) or blaming the ps3 once again, which would mean gt6 on the ps4 has to sound spectacular.

Forza is probably considered a "better" game almost precisely because it's "cooler". Maybe if GT tried to be cooler, it would be better? Or maybe it'd just end up like your Dad dancing at a wedding? Good, old-fashioned entertainment, then!
Anyway, the sounds are due to memory limitations, mostly - they're the same length loops used in GT2 - and short loops just sound crap (because games don't model all the little imperfections in a running engine, you need as much of it as possible in the loop). Well, except really short loops, but you need a very different synthesis method for that...

The game was under development for six years, PD hyped it to death and ended up not including lots of features and content, promised by Kaz himself and in trailers.

Customers are never the problem. It is the companies reading it badly.

And in the end what we want is not hype: there's plenty of that already. What we want is a release date, on which platform it is going to be available and hopefully some basic information about the game, but this time it has to be true and not just bluffing to keep people hyped (that powerpoint presentation photo is iconic, so is the standard cars and tracks situation).
Edit: and duplicates ofc, that's practically false advertising

Eh, I'm not really interested in rehashing that debate. The fact stands that they're not going to give out lots of information, not going to make "promises" this time, so we're just going to have to deal with it.

That's not really why I posted, anyway; I'm more interested in the possibility of playing PS4 games on my PS3.

 

[CayenneGT]

I'm more interested in the possibility of playing PS4 games on my PS3.

Don't you mean PS3 games on PS4?

 

[another_jakhole]

I don't think so. I have a PS1 somewhere, the PS2 slim, a PS3 slim and so I think he really meant what he said. Let's wait and see... *queue GT5's menu soundtrack*

 

[Griffith500]

Don't you mean PS3 games on PS4?

Nope. If there is the possibility to play PS4 games on the Vita, or any other handheld, via streaming, why not the PS3, too? It's not perfect, streaming currently has masses of lag (for my brain) which is useless for anything requiring fast reactions, but it's still workable if only as a demo.

 

[Samus]

Nope. If there is the possibility to play PS4 games on the Vita, or any other handheld, via streaming, why not the PS3, too? It's not perfect, streaming currently has masses of lag (for my brain) which is useless for anything requiring fast reactions, but it's still workable if only as a demo.

Technically I don't see why not but from a monetary point of view surely it would be madness for Sony to provide that as a feature. Unless you mean you need a PS4 to stream to PS3 at which point I fail to see the, er, point.

 

[machschnel]

Forza is probably considered a "better" game almost precisely because it's "cooler".

Forza is probably considered a better game because they not only got Porsche (even if the consumer paid for it) but also acquired accurate tire data from Pirelli.

Where does the tire data come from in GT5? Somewhere as "cool" as Pirelli?

 

[Griffith500]

Technically I don't see why not but from a monetary point of view surely it would be madness for Sony to provide that as a feature. Unless you mean you need a PS4 to stream to PS3 at which point I fail to see the, er, point.

I'm thinking more along the lines of using the PS3 to demo the PS4, really, which I think does make monetary sense - that way you don't alienate most of your existing users by "abandoning" them on PS3, and you show them what they're missing with the new hardware (albeit in compressed, laggy form). An example: you buy a PS4 game on PSN (perhaps after trying a demo first), stream it from Sony's distributed servers, and if you do end up getting a PS4, that game is still yours to play, only directly on the hardware now as it's tied to your PSN account (as all PSN purchases are).

Streaming is not quite good enough for serious action games, which is basically (almost) every game that "matters" in a monetary sense, so "hardcore" gamers won't be satisfied with the experience (initially perhaps, unless they slow things down, much like FPSs are already slowed down on consoles because of the control scheme), which provides an incentive to upgrade. Whatever the "hardcore" contingent is seen to be doing, the mainstream will seek to emulate (with some priming from the industry and attached media), after a delay, probably.

It just seems like the right thing to do, to me, even if it's only offering PS4 demos and not full games on PS3, through the PSN. I have no idea if the PSN streaming will be ready to go at launch, but the PS4 streaming is being touted loudly enough, and Gaikai already does / did what I'm describing.

Forza is probably considered a better game because they not only got Porsche (even if the consumer paid for it) but also acquired accurate tire data from Pirelli.

Where does the tire data come from in GT5? Somewhere as "cool" as Pirelli?

I was talking in broad terms. Of course tyre data isn't cool (although Porsche obviously is - and then again, pretending that tyre data matters to you might appear to be the cool thing to do), but I seem to remember the blurb about it tying into the same "we're car guys, we're cool" marketing that preceded the most recent game. Besides, these things only make the game "better" if they are the things that matter to you; "cool" things seem to matter an awful lot to an awful lot of people.

It's not a criticism, by the way, just an observation based on the way a lot of people (not many appearing to have any real clue, I'll admit) seem to justify why the one is better than the other. But this isn't the place for it, I guess, so I apologise.

 

[Tornado]

Think I get what you're saying. You mean something like this:

 

[ShiftingGears]

Forza is probably considered a "better" game almost precisely because it's "cooler". Maybe if GT tried to be cooler, it would be better?

I think it's the other way around. People will find GT cooler if its features were better.

Forza's car list is more diverse with more desirable cars, the AI doesn't look as robotic, the damage looks so much better, and the customisation options are far superior to GT5. And it doesn't have B-Spec.

GT tried to be cool with the implementation of Top Gear, for instance, and that didn't enhance the game at all.

Half-baked ideas, or half-baked execution, is what definitely isn't cool.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Besides. If GT6 was is going on PS3, it'll greatly gain back brake upgrades, racing flywheel, nitrous and so on. I really want those back from GT4.

 

[CayenneGT]

Besides. If GT6 was is going on PS3, it'll greatly gain back brake upgrades, racing flywheel, nitrous and so on. I really want those back from GT4.

You would think THE most important parts in a car, being the brakes, should be an option to upgrade. NOPE!

I was looking for a good 20 mins for the brake upgrades when I first played GT5 only to find out it's not there. Come on PD, what were you thinking!?

 

[TokoTurismo]

You would think THE most important parts in a car, being the brakes, should be an option to upgrade. NOPE!

I was looking for a good 20 mins for the brake upgrades when I first played GT5 only to find out it's not there. Come on PD, what were you thinking!?

I know right? Very strange of PD to have left that out, I miss it a lot. But than again, many things in GT5 was left out.

 

[Griffith500]

I think it's the other way around. People will find GT cooler if its features were better.

No, that's exactly what I'm saying, because "better" will always have a subjective dimension, including all possible wrong (i.e. un- / misinformed) opinions. What's considered immediately better will always be subject to the prevailing trends of whichever social group (or however we should be segregating classes of opinions on a given matter) is making that judgement.

Forza's car list is more diverse with more desirable cars, the AI doesn't look as robotic, the damage looks so much better, and the customisation options are far superior to GT5. And it doesn't have B-Spec.

"Desirable" cars? Coolness. AI doesn't look "goofy"? Coolness. Damage looks "better"? Coolness. Customisation "superior"? Coolness. No B-Spec? Coolness.

Note that I've not assigned any value judgement to the idea of "coolness", so please, in case anyone is tempted, don't make one up for me. But do note that every point above is contentious, i.e. what cars are "desirable" and what exactly is wrong with B-Spec? But don't answer that, it's really not that interesting, and a debate will only ensue (although that would serve to prove my point).

GT tried to be cool with the implementation of Top Gear, for instance, and that didn't enhance the game at all.

Half-baked ideas, or half-baked execution, is what definitely isn't cool.

Dad dancing at wedding, as I said. Again, no value judgement intended.

But that's all I'm going to say on this matter, because it doesn't matter.
Instead, tell me why Sony won't use the PS3 to demo the PS4 - that's far more interesting.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

No, that's exactly what I'm saying, because "better" will always have a subjective dimension, including all possible wrong (i.e. un- / misinformed) opinions. What's considered immediately better will always be subject to the prevailing trends of whichever social group (or however we should be segregating classes of opinions on a given matter) is making that judgement.


"Desirable" cars? Coolness. AI doesn't look "goofy"? Coolness. Damage looks "better"? Coolness. Customisation "superior"? Coolness. No B-Spec? Coolness.

Note that I've not assigned any value judgement to the idea of "coolness", so please, in case anyone is tempted, don't make one up for me. But do note that every point above is contentious, i.e. what cars are "desirable" and what exactly is wrong with B-Spec? But don't answer that, it's really not that interesting, and a debate will only ensue (although that would serve to prove my point).


Dad dancing at wedding, as I said. Again, no value judgement intended.

But that's all I'm going to say on this matter, because it doesn't matter.
Instead, tell me why Sony won't use the PS3 to demo the PS4 - that's far more interesting.

[coolness]

--I've followed some of your arguments in other threads, but they're usually the same: one liners, vague explanations and quirky analogies/jokes that amount to nothing. At least you're good at sparking debate. At any rate, you make one thing clear, you adore Gran Turismo and will defend it to the day you die. And that's definitely...strange (especially if you want the series to progress).

Open wide and allow me to feed you some one liners and silly analogies. 👍

1. If you think GT5 is cool, then Forza 4 is sub-freezing.

2. If you think Top Gear was well-implemented in GT5, just try it online. PD has yet to fix the lap glitch. Yes, that's cool!

3. If you think that desirable cars are 800 PS2 cars and only 275 premium cars after years of waiting, then GT5 is Antarctica.

4. If you think GT5 has great customization and don't mind the fact that GT has never incorporated a livery editor since never-ago, then GT5 is an icicle. Trapped in a blizzard.

5. If you think GT5 has better damage than most other racing games, then GT5 is the frozen iceberg that sunk the Titanic. Ooops, bad analogy; at least the iceberg caused real damage!

--We're all fans of GT, or else we'd probably not post here. But the flaws are evident. Fans like you that pretend to not see them, well, they don't advance the series. Fans that see problems and address them have the chance to. Whatever PD decides to do is up to them, though...

[/coolness]

 

[nickg07]

PD cannot do magic though. For example it'd be naive to think GT6 will have 1000 cars considering that it took them 6 years to do less than 200 unique premium cars, and they have to re-make the current standard tracks (gt4 copypastes) such as laguna seca and motegi.

Aren't the premium models made at a high res and dubbed down for gt5? My feeling is those 200+ premiums will slot right into the gt6 game so I guess I hope they have been developing another 200-400 premiums in the last 3 years. Not sure how likely that is though.

 

[Spagetti69]

Aren't the premium models made at a high res and dubbed down for gt5? My feeling is those 200+ premiums will slot right into the gt6 game so I guess I hope they have been developing another 200-400 premiums in the last 3 years. Not sure how likely that is though.

Couple of "ifs" here but if the premiums need more work and its coming to PS4 (only reason they would need work) then there's trouble ahead lol.

 

[Hermanvongerman]

GT6 is not coming to PS3, the biggest announcement will be the new Metal Gear being released on PS3.

And we should be thankful if that is the case, as the PS3 cannot do AA verywell at all, as shown on GT5 when playing with Jaggy disgusting shadows ruining what could have been the prettiest car game, instead ruined by lack of console performance.

 

[ShiftingGears]

I've followed some of your arguments in other threads, but they're usually the same: one liners, vague explanations and quirky analogies/jokes that amount to nothing.

Thank you for articulating how I felt reading his response.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Internet connection went awry. Damn double posts!

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Thank you for articulating how I felt reading his response.

👍

I liked your post so I had to defend it. Someone had to.

Top Gear could have been something special. I was expecting to challenge the Stig's lap times with the GT5 cars. But what we got were challenges with a Lotus and a Samba Bus? W-T-F-