Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3
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Yep, maybe you guys are right. It was just my opinion. We all agree that GT5 was incomplete, i think it was a time issue, some think it was laziness. The thing is, i will be disappointed if they don't release a proper GT(?) for ps3. Call it whatever they want, GT5 sorryforbeinglazy Version, i just want one more last hurrah for ps3, because i wont see a ps4 in a long time. Not complaining about the 5, for me it has a perfect base, its just not complete.
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No one knows what happened in GT5, that's why they guess what's happen to it...
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No could be about it at all, GT5 is a long way from being "an almost perfect simulator".
In regard to lazy, when I mentioned that above I was being slightly humorous, the finished result I would however maintain does show a rather shocking lack of focus in terms of many of the design choices made and how the time spent seems to have been sued.
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This is exactly my view.
It has already been said, but I think PD are being different just for the sake of it.
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I see GT5 as a result of corporate direction meets a developer unwilling to tell the corporate direction that their ideas are unworkable.
We've all seen this image from early in development:
Arguably, almost all of those made it into the game in some form or another. Arguably, they're mostly minimalist efforts made just to be able to say that they're in the game.
GT5 could have benefitted from dropping some features entirely in order to flesh out others more fully. One great cake is more enjoyable than four average cakes that aren't cooked properly. But that's a hard thing to tell the boss, especially if for whatever reason he doesn't seem to quite understand why that would be preferable.
Let me also point out that this isn't a Japanese work hierarchy thing. Japanese people are as capable as anyone else of telling their boss that they're doing it wrong, they're just better at doing it in a way that doesn't make the boss feel like an arse.
GT5 feels like it was mailed in to shut up a bunch of people who didn't understand or refused to understand that what they were doing wasn't the best. I see this at my own job fairly often. It's annoying as hell, but as an employee you can go mad trying to change the impossible.
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I don't know about you guys but personally i'm not a fan of the massive load times between screens as it is, would never purchase another GT game on PS3.
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Unfortunately the GT series is the absolute worst when it comes to recreating car culture, it's basically a simulation of going to a dealership and taking a test drive in a stock vehicle aka BORING. Also when it comes to a livery editor last time i checked cars have liveries in literally every major racing series in the world, sponsorships and team built cars go hand in hand with professional driving, when you think about it GT is probably the only current racing game lacking one, creative decision? or poor planning/laziness? you decide.
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Whether it's developers or corporate issues, there is something seriously wrong at Polyphony/Sony.
Research
I used to work for a Marketing Agency and do reseach and Incentive projects for Mazda, Merc Benz, Range Rover, Fiat/Alfa and various other car companies.
What these companies would pay (£10-100k) for research data/feedback, compared to what Polyphony have at their fingertips, is incomparable.
These companies would pay a huge price, for data/feedback from a minute fraction of what Polyphony have available , and Polyphony get this for free - 24hrs a day, at their fingertips.
BUT THEY STILL DON'T LISTEN OR TAKE NOTE. Basically, they choose to ignore this.
Whereas, these car companies would wait months from the decision to have a 3rd party agency conduct a project, to when the results are given to them.
Acceptance testing - even after 2 years, Polyphony were releasing updates that had side affects, same as the first few updates and new features. Their acceptance testing provedures are truely awful, that's if they even bother or have any.
It's simply unbelievable and unforgiveable that a company does this.
2 examples of very important business practices that Polyphony totally fail at. To say they are a bit behind the times, more like Polyphony have just carved their first wooden wheel, whilst the rest of the world are driving the best modern cars available.
If GT6 is on the PS3 - this won't be GT6, it's just a marketing exercise to save face and try and keep the bewildered and battered organised online racing GT fans interested until the PS4 comes round and the real "GT6" is released.
Polyphony would be far better off releasing a GT5 V2 - with less cars / features and more stability online, a more consistent physics engine that is the same online / offline / race / practice / tt - and then stick to that and not change anything.
Don't forget - Project Cars is scheduled for November release. This should have Polyphony ****ting themselves - maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Personally, I think PD's arrogance and audacity means they will see this as a flash in the pan, but I think it's going to more like a huge kick up their ar*e.
I know a number of websites that have already pledged to move their organised racing from GT5 to Project Cars.
Funny how these reports of GT6 coming out at the same time as Project Carrs release date keep appearing.. mmm. Nothing to do with it being a marketing exercise to stop a mass exodus from GT5 eh...
If the amount of clean / organised racing is overtaken by "mariokart" lobbys - don't matter how good GT6/ 6 prologue/ GT7 is, GT will be dead in the water when it comes to being viewed as a serious online simulator.
Doesn't matter how good the game is, it's what people do with it that counts. If the majority of organisors/hosts of good, clean series/rooms/ races all turn their back, it will snowball and GT's reputation will plummet even more and it'll got caught in a downward spiral to being a glorified mariokart.
There's plenty of really good organised racing at the moment, but so many choose to ignore it or can't be bothered finding it - instead having to "hack" the game instead to get their kicks for example.
This poses as much of a danger to GT as the problems with their research and testing failings.
GT will still sell loads of copies, but unless some kind of miracle happens instead of being one of the all time great online video games, it'll be one of the all time great screw ups, an example to other developers / game makers of what not to do.
Research
I used to work for a Marketing Agency and do reseach and Incentive projects for Mazda, Merc Benz, Range Rover, Fiat/Alfa and various other car companies.
What these companies would pay (£10-100k) for research data/feedback, compared to what Polyphony have at their fingertips, is incomparable.
These companies would pay a huge price, for data/feedback from a minute fraction of what Polyphony have available , and Polyphony get this for free - 24hrs a day, at their fingertips.
BUT THEY STILL DON'T LISTEN OR TAKE NOTE. Basically, they choose to ignore this.
Whereas, these car companies would wait months from the decision to have a 3rd party agency conduct a project, to when the results are given to them.
Acceptance testing - even after 2 years, Polyphony were releasing updates that had side affects, same as the first few updates and new features. Their acceptance testing provedures are truely awful, that's if they even bother or have any.
It's simply unbelievable and unforgiveable that a company does this.
2 examples of very important business practices that Polyphony totally fail at. To say they are a bit behind the times, more like Polyphony have just carved their first wooden wheel, whilst the rest of the world are driving the best modern cars available.
If GT6 is on the PS3 - this won't be GT6, it's just a marketing exercise to save face and try and keep the bewildered and battered organised online racing GT fans interested until the PS4 comes round and the real "GT6" is released.
Polyphony would be far better off releasing a GT5 V2 - with less cars / features and more stability online, a more consistent physics engine that is the same online / offline / race / practice / tt - and then stick to that and not change anything.
Don't forget - Project Cars is scheduled for November release. This should have Polyphony ****ting themselves - maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Personally, I think PD's arrogance and audacity means they will see this as a flash in the pan, but I think it's going to more like a huge kick up their ar*e.
I know a number of websites that have already pledged to move their organised racing from GT5 to Project Cars.
Funny how these reports of GT6 coming out at the same time as Project Carrs release date keep appearing.. mmm. Nothing to do with it being a marketing exercise to stop a mass exodus from GT5 eh...
If the amount of clean / organised racing is overtaken by "mariokart" lobbys - don't matter how good GT6/ 6 prologue/ GT7 is, GT will be dead in the water when it comes to being viewed as a serious online simulator.
Doesn't matter how good the game is, it's what people do with it that counts. If the majority of organisors/hosts of good, clean series/rooms/ races all turn their back, it will snowball and GT's reputation will plummet even more and it'll got caught in a downward spiral to being a glorified mariokart.
There's plenty of really good organised racing at the moment, but so many choose to ignore it or can't be bothered finding it - instead having to "hack" the game instead to get their kicks for example.
This poses as much of a danger to GT as the problems with their research and testing failings.
GT will still sell loads of copies, but unless some kind of miracle happens instead of being one of the all time great online video games, it'll be one of the all time great screw ups, an example to other developers / game makers of what not to do.
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GT6 will come out on both.
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Don't forget - Project Cars is scheduled for November release. This should have Polyphony ****ting themselves - maybe it has, maybe it hasn't. Personally, I think PD's arrogance and audacity means they will see this as a flash in the pan, but I think it's going to more like a huge kick up their ar*e.
I know a number of websites that have already pledged to move their organised racing from GT5 to Project Cars.
Funny how these reports of GT6 coming out at the same time as Project Carrs release date keep appearing.. mmm. Nothing to do with it being a marketing exercise to stop a mass exodus from GT5 eh...
Don't get me wrong, I love pCARS. I've been a member on it for about a year now, and it's going to be fantastic.
But even if it turns out perfectly and is all that it hopes to be, it's not going to kill off the GTs and Forzas of the world.
pCARS aims to have a world class career mode, world class physics, and excellent online. It is intentionally disregarding all the car modification that makes GT and Forza so popular.
Now if you want pure racing, there's probably going to be nothing better than pCARS. If you want to play with thousand horsepower Skylines and shoehorning rotaries into MX5s, GT and Forza is still going to be where it's at.
I do however think that if the "best simulator" title goes away from GT it will be the beginning of the end though. The whole fantasy is built around GT being what the cars really feel like, and if there's other games that do that better then it's not a big step from there to Need for Speed.
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All you're saying about pCARS releasing in November 2013 is irrelevant, because it's not releasing in November 2013 actually... The game was delayed and releasing in 2014. So, what you say now?
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I'll also buy Project Cars when it releases on PS3. PD will still get my 60 or so bucks when GT6 comes out.
Edit: PCars ain't this year you say?? GT6 will get my money!
Edit: PCars ain't this year you say?? GT6 will get my money!
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There is no reason that another PS3 GT game would have to have bad loading times. It's not inherent to PS3 games; just not something PD did very well at solving.
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I think that the load times in GT5 were kind of fast, when you see the amount of detail in the tracks and cars. I think PD did a very good job here, but they are no magicians and they wont eliminate the limitations of the old PS3 hardware. Wether it will come out on the PS3 or PS4, I dont see load times disappear.
I personally hate the load times in the menus. When you buy a car, change the paint or something else in the menus. It always loads and is a slow process.
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Unfortunately, your rant is all over the map so I'm not sure what your ultimate point(s) are. But my above quote doesn't even make sense to me. "What people do with" GT6, or any game, is up to them. I don't like drifting, but if half or more of GT fans use the game as "The Real Drifting Simulator," what skin is it off my nose? I'll just mark Ignore on drift lobbies, and I'll never have to see them.
SONY is building a massive network backbone partnered with Gaikai, so the structure should be in place by this fall for a streamlined online experience, and GT6 - heck, all Playstation games should be able to see a benefit from this. We might finally see a thousand lobbies on screen in GT5 to pick through, and GT6 should be built with this in mind. Unless your rant is about the knot-head gamer crowd, which good luck with that.
If GT6 comes out for PS4, which is entirely possible, I expect a game built around the network much like any shooter, as they do listen to us, believe it or not. SONY has taken a hard look over the past near decade at what gamers have been doing online or requesting for it, as just about every game is set up for spectating for example. SONY has darn near listened to everyone from the developers to the gamers, and they're spending quite a dear amount of money to accomodate all of them. Since Kaz is on the SCE board, VP and all that, I'd expect that he is up on all this. If SONY demanded 3D to give more appeal to their new 3DTVs, I'd be shocked if they didn't urge PD to work serious online capability into GT6 as all the other devs are doing with their games, no matter what system it's on.
As for Project CARS, I'm fully aware of it - what little I know of it. I am aware of the Career Mode it has, which is practically the same thing I've been asking for since GT4 released in 2005. It's the only other racer that I'm mildly interested in, as what's absorbing my attention is GT6. And if GT6 does indeed release this year, I may not buy PCARS for a long, long time. It doesn't seem to have grabbed people's attention here like GT6 does, so the only people I think are nervous about it, if any are, are the PC sim devs. The one game I would expect to be on PD's radar is Forza 5, and that gets rare mention around here, surprisingly.
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I think the only two focus points of this discussion are:
If out comes out for the PS3, many people won't need to buy a PS4. BUT, it won't be running on an improved platform.
If out comes on the PS4, it WILL be running on an advances platform, BUT you'll need to buy the PS4.
In my case - I hope it does come out for the PS4; purely because I don't mind buying the new console. And, I don't want GT6 to be set-up for a console that is nearing it's end.
If out comes out for the PS3, many people won't need to buy a PS4. BUT, it won't be running on an improved platform.
If out comes on the PS4, it WILL be running on an advances platform, BUT you'll need to buy the PS4.
In my case - I hope it does come out for the PS4; purely because I don't mind buying the new console. And, I don't want GT6 to be set-up for a console that is nearing it's end.
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Considering that quite a large number still have an interest in GT5 - mostly as daily players and online clubs (I'm not really counting the online lobbies) after close to three years - GT6 will still have plenty to offer on the PS3.
Certainly considering the likely swift release of GT7 on the PS4 being within a couple of years, we'll have more than enough to keep us going on that old PS3
No one wants another long wait.
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Considering that quite a large number still have an interest in GT5 - mostly as daily players and online clubs (I'm not really counting the online lobbies) after close to three years - GT6 will still have plenty to offer on the PS3.
Certainly considering the likely swift release of GT7 on the PS4 being within a couple of years, we'll have more than enough to keep us going on that old PS3
No one wants another long wait.
And the people who buy a PS4 as early adopters, who like the brand and want to support it, should wait 4-5 years for the next GT?
I think it would be fair to bring it on the PS4. GT5 as you said, still has a lots of interest and replayability behind it. So why dont they leave GT5 for the PS3 players and give the next gen a proper next gen GT for the start.
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Driveclub changed everything, Sony won't sacrifice their brand new ip with a Gran Turismo release early on the PS4's life cycle, Even if GT6 was always a PS4 release, we all are gonna have to wait a year or two. Why not have it on the PS3 right now? We all have one don't we? Then we can be entertained with Driveclub until GT7 shows up.
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This is what i was referring to, not loading a track or race, going from your garage to gt auto, to parts, etc is painfully slow, you spend more time in loading screens than actually doing anything, same with selecting/previewing paints, especially if you have thousands of chips like myself, unacceptable.
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I'm a bit confused. I did say that GT6 on the PS3 would be there for them to play in the meantime - so how would that equate to a 4-5 year wait?
Makes no odds if the early adopters buy a PS4 (I'll be one of 'em) they presumably will still have their PS3...plus there will be Driveclub as PepeMickey rightly points out.
I was just pointing out that GT6 on the PS3 is a very fine stopgap measure. Also that the PS3 has life in it still, as not only PD but other game devs are still producing for it.
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Most of the menu load times have to do with how extensively PD tied the game to their servers; so the game sends data back and forth to PD for even the most innocuous of actions. It runs much faster if you run the system in offline mode as a result (though truth be told, not as fast as GT4 and certainly not as fast as GT2 or GT3).
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