Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[GTboyz]

The very same. I'm glad that article resonated with people in the same way as my videos. Basically, the editor-in-chief of the website approached me after watching my videos and asked if I wanted to write a piece for them. I said sure (since why not?) and used the most recent GT7 update as a basis to keep it topical.

Don't get the wrong idea - I'm still small time, but you never know what can happen in the future

Your GT7 videos are great.

 

[Stefan Clift]

The thing is Gran Turismo 7 does things so so well; the driving, car detailing, weather, graphics, livery editor, it does it so well.

My only problem is the lack of ‘game’ to it. It’s good doing all of the above well, but the lack of progression or classic campaign mode is why it doesn’t hook me like the others did in the past.

I loved going for gold on the licenses, and the missions were good fun but they’re a one off (once completed, what’s the point?). But past that, I’ve just been grinding Sardegna and the Sport Mode Time Trials.

I really wish they would do what they did with GT SPORT and add a proper campaign

 

[RobertHammer]

The thing is Gran Turismo 7 does things so so well; the driving, car detailing, weather, graphics, livery editor, it does it so well.
My only problem is the lack of ‘game’ to it. It’s good doing all of the above well, but the lack of progression or classic campaign mode is why it doesn’t hook me like the others did in the past.
I loved going for gold on the licenses, and the missions were good fun but they’re a one off (once completed, what’s the point?). But past that, I’ve just been grinding Sardegna and the Sport Mode Time Trials.
I really wish they would do what they did with GT SPORT and add a proper campaign

Those licences and missions were one off in older GTs too but what GT7 lacks the most is the higher number of events

irony is that anybody could create those events like in 5min or even you could directly copy races from GT Sport without any issues

 

[Dave A]

It kinda came across to me as (for lack of a better term) cashing in on majority negative sentiment after the first video did well, which never sat right with me personally, even if it's more clickable for titles & thumbnails etc.

I dont really agree with that, he's sinply providing his thoughs on a popular topic and the demand was clearly there. It wasnt a half arsed cash grab, proveribially or otherwise. To say it's cashing in (in this context), suggests to me that you simply don't feel as negative about GT7 as he does.

If that didn't sit well with you, every news outlet in the world mustn't either, and every YouTuber who "cashes in" on people wanting to see Sport Mode races by providing recordings of such races, or people wanting to see rich peoples car collections being shown rich peoples car collections, and so on.

Finding something people are interested in seeing/hearing about and filling that niche is mot cashing in.

I do agree with the latter part of your post though.

 

[Nielsen]

The thing is Gran Turismo 7 does things so so well; the driving, car detailing, weather, graphics, livery editor, it does it so well.

My only problem is the lack of ‘game’ to it. It’s good doing all of the above well, but the lack of progression or classic campaign mode is why it doesn’t hook me like the others did in the past.

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I loved going for gold on the licenses, and the missions were good fun but they’re a one off (once completed, what’s the point?). But past that, I’ve just been grinding Sardegna and the Sport Mode Time Trials.

I really wish they would do what they did with GT SPORT and add a proper campaign

GT Sport had a proper campaign?

 

[PSN offapple]

I dont really agree with that, he's sinply providing his thoughs on a popular topic and the demand was clearly there. It wasnt a half arsed cash grab, proveribially or otherwise. To say it's cashing in (in this context), suggests to me that you simply don't feel as negative about GT7 as he does.

If that didn't sit well with you, every news outlet in the world mustn't either, and every YouTuber who "cashes in" on people wanting to see Sport Mode races by providing recordings of such races, or people wanting to see rich peoples car collections being shown rich peoples car collections, and so on.

Finding something people are interested in seeing/hearing about and filling that niche is mot cashing in.

I do agree with the latter part of your post though.

It's just my own opinion. No need for the hostile "every news outlet/YouTuber in the world" stuff to invalidate it.

At least we can both agree that it's a well made series that does highlight things that could be improved with GT7. The game is still far from ideal, to the point where I'm even creating my own career mode structure on Discord for it using Custom Race mode

 

[Dave A]

It's just my own opinion. No need for the hostile "every news outlet/YouTuber in the world" stuff to invalidate it.

At least we can both agree that it's a well made series that does highlight things that could be improved with GT7. The game is still far from ideal, to the point where I'm even creating my own career mode structure on Discord for it using Custom Race mode

I don't mean to come across as hostile, I just don't get the logic there, hence why Im questioning it. Opinions are fine, but they can still be questioned/discussed, even the best opinions get questioned.

 

[MIE1992]

Apparently, the 2016 Nissan GT-R GT500 has an alternative rear wing, one that's much wider than the stock one. I found this out because I won this car today from a six-star ticket. Since I already had bought one to complete the Gr.2 Race Car-themed Extra Menu, I thought I'd take it to GT Auto and see what I could do to it, and that's how I found out about the additional wing option.

 

[RACECAR]

Apparently, the 2016 Nissan GT-R GT500 has an alternative rear wing, one that's much wider than the stock one. I found this out because I won this car today from a six-star ticket. Since I already had bought one to complete the Gr.2 Race Car-themed Extra Menu, I thought I'd take it to GT Auto and see what I could do to it, and that's how I found out about the additional wing option.

Yep, all the 2016 Super GT cars have that wing option. I think it also had something you could do on the front fascia, but I could be wrong.

 

[PSN offapple]

Apparently, the 2016 Nissan GT-R GT500 has an alternative rear wing, one that's much wider than the stock one. I found this out because I won this car today from a six-star ticket. Since I already had bought one to complete the Gr.2 Race Car-themed Extra Menu, I thought I'd take it to GT Auto and see what I could do to it, and that's how I found out about the additional wing option.

Yeah all of the 2016 GT500's have that different rear wing option. I forget what year it was introduced, but it's a neat addition
(Edit: Racecar beat me to it)

 

[Stefan Clift]

Yep, all the 2016 Super GT cars have that wing option. I think it also had something you could do on the front fascia, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, the GT500s have a ‘Fuji Spec’ with longer wings. Visually helpful when fielding them against the RS 5 DTM

 

[Artremis]

The thing is Gran Turismo 7 does things so so well; the driving, car detailing, weather, graphics, livery editor, it does it so well.

My only problem is the lack of ‘game’ to it. It’s good doing all of the above well, but the lack of progression or classic campaign mode is why it doesn’t hook me like the others did in the past.

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I loved going for gold on the licenses, and the missions were good fun but they’re a one off (once completed, what’s the point?). But past that, I’ve just been grinding Sardegna and the Sport Mode Time Trials.

I really wish they would do what they did with GT SPORT and add a proper campaign

Yeah the thing imo is that all GT7 has going for it is that it's the latest GT title so it's the one with an active community and updates. Once GT8 or whatever is out, what will be the reason to return to it? I guess if you really liked the menus? You can't even delete your save so honestly not even that, so you better be a fan of Music Rally. You can argue a similar thing for GT Sport but that was always seen as an online-first game and not a proper mainline entry.

It's just very weird. A case where a game gets the fundamentals right (driving feels great, tons of tracks and cars, variable weather and ToD, customization) but fails to make use of it in any meaningful way.

 

[Arkseven]

GT Sport had a proper campaign?

Maybe not a proper campaign, but for a game that was focused on online races, GTS had quite a lot of singleplayer events. PD could copy right now all the Gr.3 events from the Endurance League to GT7 that I bet most players wouldn't mind at all. I guess we all would be happy to have another place to grind that is not Sardegna or Spa (unless PD give those events the Road Atlanta treatment).

 

[05XR8]

We have a Spa ”24H”, the Bathurst ”endurance” race, from GTSport, would take no time to add.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Playing Forza Motorsport 4 makes me realize that PD needs a new leader at the helm. I feel as though a fresh perspective is needed to rejuvenate the franchise and push it forward. At this point Kaz is something of a liability who I believe is holding the series back. If the franchise is going to continue, some hard decisions must be made for the greater good of the community. Kaz is a one-track mind it seems and it will result in the demise of the series if nothing is done.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Playing Forza Motorsport 4 makes me realize that PD needs a new leader at the helm. I feel as though a fresh perspective is needed to rejuvenate the franchise and push it forward. At this point Kaz is something of a liability who I believe is holding the series back. If the franchise is going to continue, some hard decisions must be made for the greater good of the community. Kaz is a one-track mind it seems and it will result in the demise of the series if nothing is done.

Out of curiosity, what do you think Kaz’s vision is?

 

[ScottPuss20]

Out of curiosity, what do you think Kaz’s vision is?

The wrong one.

 

[Yard_Sale]

The wrong one.

Great answer.


Soooooo…..

…What ‘should’ his vision be?

 

[GlamFM]

I think everybody but Kaz would have turned GT into a disgusting monetization mashine at this point.

With season passes, paid skins, paid tracks, paid cars and cosmetic nonsense.

Free monthly content drops would certainly be a thing of the past

Dipping back into Forza games of the Motosport variant gives me the complete opposite reaction tbh.
GT even with all the legitimate complaints that we have is still miles ahead of the competition in the key areas that matter to me.

And don´t even get me started on VR.

I´m super curious about the Motosport reboot that I think we´ll see more of today (?), but I have little faith.
Love Horizon.

But Kaz is GT and GT is Kaz and I wouldn´t have it any other way.

I will still keep complaining though

 

[ScottPuss20]

Great answer.


Soooooo…..

…What ‘should’ his vision be?

I honestly don't know what his vision is. He's quite caught up in the technological side of things and I don't think he understands the importance of community in a racing game. Gran Turismo is a video game and it should retain those "game" elements but it seems clear to me that Kaz doesn't really want to. We don't need pointless factoids about the fall of the Berlin Wall, we don't need a museum section in the dealerships and we don't need a cafe. What we need is a game that challenges the status quo and showcases the world of cars like nothing else. Gran Turismo is no longer the king it used to be but Kaz still rests on his laurels instead of making meaningful change. There are soo many things that can still be done: proper rally stages, off-roading, gymkhana, time attack, hillclimb and drag racing outside of a few mission challenges. Look at Beam NG Drive. Now that's a proper driving simulator. Tell you what: Gran Turismo would definitely see an influx of new players if overlanding was added. Imagine the possibilities!

Also when I say someone new I mean someone else within PD to take the reins.

 

[RobertHammer]

Exactly if somebody else took the helm of GT , you would see a masive monetization which would made these microtransactions look like nothing , hell some people were asking for season passes for GT , it would have been really bad like that Lego 2K Drive game

 

[ScottPuss20]

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[GlamFM]

We don't need pointless factoids about the fall of the Berlin Wall, we don't need a museum section in the dealerships and we don't need a cafe.

You´re right. We absolutely don´t need any of this. But it wouldn´t be GT if it wasn´t a bit weird. To me it adds to the specific flavor I´m looking for when I play GT.

proper rally stages, off-roading, gymkhana

Different folks, different strokes - I don´t want ANY of this in GT.
In fact I would get rid of rally altogether. There are other games for that. Games that, to be honest, do it much better.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I honestly don't know what his vision is. He's quite caught up in the technological side of things and I don't think he understands the importance of community in a racing game. Gran Turismo is a video game and it should retain those "game" elements but it seems clear to me that Kaz doesn't really want to. We don't need pointless factoids about the fall of the Berlin Wall, we don't need a museum section in the dealerships and we don't need a cafe. What we need is a game that challenges the status quo and showcases the world of cars like nothing else. Gran Turismo is no longer the king it used to be but Kaz still rests on his laurels instead of making meaningful change. There are soo many things that can still be done: proper rally stages, off-roading, gymkhana, time attack, hillclimb and drag racing outside of a few mission challenges. Look at Beam NG Drive. Now that's a proper driving simulator. Tell you what: Gran Turismo would definitely see an influx of new players if overlanding was added. Imagine the possibilities!

Also when I say someone new I mean someone else within PD to take the reins.

To each their own.


But I personally think PD is playing this almost perfectly. They’re not trying to appeal to the generation of people who grew up with this game…

They’re trying to usher in a new audience for the next 20 years. And part of that, is teaching short attention-span people like them, the history of cars, and the world around the different time periods of said cars.

There’s no map to plot where we should go, without knowing where we came from.

ESPECIALLY…. with a generation that by and large, wants to completely change cars into granola- consuming machines.

If you want the series to continue, then you need a new generation of gamers to buy into the premise .

Not to mention…

…this is a business after all.


And there’s not a whole lot of people lining up to play snow runner and Beam NG….as good of games they may be 😎

 

[RobertHammer]

What also GT needs are better competitors , we will see how the new FM will turn out but most hopes are on next Asseto Corsa 2

 

[Techlet]

I think everybody but Kaz would have turned GT into a gross monetization mashine at this point.

With season passes, paid skins, paid tracks, paid cars and cosmetic nonsense.

Thing is GT7 already is a gross monetization machine, just not a very effective one.

I think people wouldn't be entirely opposed to paying for new cars and tracks if it means more than 3 cars a month and more than 3 tracks a year.

The only thing stopping that from manifesting is Sport Mode.

 

[GlamFM]

Thing is GT7 already is a gross monetization machine, just not a very effective one.

Hard disagree.

Compared to COD, FortNite, FIFA etc. this is nothing.

Have not spent a single euro on the game since I initially bought it and I don´t have to.

Everything the game has to offer is up for grabs by just playing it.

Sure, I takes forever (I´m well on track though), but it is possible and that´s a key difference to the really disgusting players in the game.

It sucks, but it could be SO much worse.

If this game was run by Activion, EA or Epic we´d have weekly premium cars that cost €10 and are only available for a short period of time to trigger our FOMO.

Sometimes I fear people Like Jim Ryan want to turn GT into just that, but we are not there yet.

As it stands the monetization in GT7 is negligible and certainly not gross.

 

[MroczMR]

Thing is GT7 already is a gross monetization machine, just not a very effective one.

No it isn't. For me this game has the same "grind" as other GT entries. People think it is grindy because it doesn't hit you with tons of Exotic supercars and milions from super roullette tickets like Forza Horizon does. I think that earning the car you want is much more fun than just giving all at once.

And yes. You can buy credits. But it isn't effective method to earn them, especially that you can earn the highest credit pack value in an our.

 

[Techlet]

If this game was run by Activion, EA or Epic we´d have weekly premium cars that cost €10 and are only available for a short period of time to trigger our FOMO.

Instead in GT7 we have 20 mil Cr LCD cars like the McLaren F1 that's only available for a short period of time once every couple of months and cost $200 USD in "micro" transactions.

Meanwhile, the same car in GT Sport costs $2.99.

I'd say that's pretty gross.

 

[GlamFM]

Instead in GT7 we have 20 mil Cr LCD cars like the McLaren F1 that's only available for a short period of time once every couple of months and cost $200 USD in "micro" transactions.

Meanwhile, the same car in GT Sport costs $2.99.
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I'd say that's pretty gross.

I wouldn´t. It´s not great, but boy could it be worse.

I always keep a 20 mil credits balance for when the rare cars show up. I´m still missing 2.

It´s griny, but unlike the other examples I listed it´s not evil.

As of right not GT7 only has ONE currency and this currency can be earned just by playing the game.
If one day they introduce gems or diamonds or some other "premium" ******** currency that can ONLY be bought with real money and cars and tracks that can ONLY be bought with it I´ll join you in calling GT7 "gross".