Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[C_Raccoon23]

To be fair, now having everything in GT7. IMHO, they ruin the gameplay and in-game economy with these 4 specific races with enormous payout. It's just too easy to make money and buy cars, now. That's my opinion, but PD had to satisfy not only me and you but also millions of cry babies all around the world, so I understand their point and I take it. I'm here because of the driving experience in GT, not because some virtual economy.

Are you forgetting how bad the economy was prior to those races being added to the game? Not only did we have even less events than we do now, the best paying events gave out a mere fraction of what Tokyo, Sardegna, Le Mans, and Spa pay. Those 4 races actually make it possible to earn the more expensive cars in a reasonable time frame for anyone who doesn’t no-life the game. And even then, getting the highest priced cars, let alone all of them, still takes running those races many times. Furthermore, customizing and upgrading cars costs money as well, especially now that we can buy Ultimate parts and engine swaps.

Also, it’s pretty ironic that the Tokyo race you love so much would likely not be in the game if the “cry babies” didn’t point out how poorly designed the game’s original economy was.

I don't expect so. You know, we live in lazy times, where everyone wants to have everything with less effort. Everyone is too busy with all the other stuff, so less time to enjoy. That mentality reflects pretty much in the game also so..... it is what it is.

Ok boomer. People just want to be able to enjoy the game and content they paid for and have their free time respected, not have it become a borderline second job.

 

[SuperSportX]

They could easily add events with big payouts for every location in the game and it would be an instantly better game. But apparently they don't want to.

Even if they literally just copied and pasted events from GT Sport with 0 changes and better pay that would be much better than what we already have, here are a few that would make use of some cars:

Gr.2 is literally useless outside of detuning or custom races, why GT Sport has a proper event/championship for them but GT7 doesn't despite GT7having 3 more Gr.2 cars than GT Sport i'll never know.

We don't have any long endurance races for actual endurance cars.

 

[Techlet]

Thank you for explaining, very valid point

Never heard of anybody needing a part stuck behind a roulette ticket to be faster since BOP eliminates the advantage online, but just because I don’t find it useful doesn’t mean it isn’t.

I still stand by my statement that everything we know so far about Forza points towards a worse grind with worse MTX in comparison to GT7

I recall the Nurburgring time trial with the NSX had tuning enabled. The car has a couple of S parts that could be installed to give you more room to play with the powerband while still staying under the HP limit. A small advantage but an advantage all the same.

It's possible T10 could be gearing up to monetise the crap out of this system but they tried that once before in FM7 and the community raked them over the coals for it. Even now FM7 carries the lootbox stigma. I don't know how willing they'd be to try again.

I do know the community will absolutely love to be surprised by undisclosed MTX systems with only a few months out from launch.

 

[Mariangello]

Even if they literally just copied and pasted events from GT Sport with 0 changes and better pay that would be much better than what we already have, here are a few that would make use of some cars:

Gr.2 is literally useless outside of detuning or custom races, why GT Sport has a proper event/championship for them but GT7 doesn't despite GT7having 3 more Gr.2 cars than GT Sport i'll never know.

We don't have any long endurance races for actual endurance cars.

I can't help but also the UI and menu looks better in GT Sport.

 

[rmac923]

Gr.2 is literally useless outside of detuning or custom races, why GT Sport has a proper event/championship for them but GT7 doesn't despite GT7having 3 more Gr.2 cars than GT Sport i'll never know.

I'm hoping (perhaps false hope) that PD are going to add more GT1 cars (Nissan R390/911 GT1 Race Car), the DTM BMW M4 Turbo and the GT500 Supra before they add GR. 2 events.

 

[morfei1]

Are you forgetting how bad the economy was prior to those races being added to the game? Not only did we have even less events than we do now, the best paying events gave out a mere fraction of what Tokyo, Sardegna, Le Mans, and Spa pay. Those 4 races actually make it possible to earn the more expensive cars in a reasonable time frame for anyone who doesn’t no-life the game. And even then, getting the highest priced cars, let alone all of them, still takes running those races many times. Furthermore, customizing and upgrading cars costs money as well, especially now that we can buy Ultimate parts and engine swaps.

Also, it’s pretty ironic that the Tokyo race you love so much would likely not be in the game if the “cry babies” didn’t point out how poorly designed the game’s original economy was.

Ok boomer. People just want to be able to enjoy the game and content they paid for and have their free time respected, not have it become a borderline second job.

So basically you consider yourself as a "cry baby" ? Are you happy now? I guess you're not an you never will, as far as the GT7 economy is concern, same as the rest of the "cry" community. ✌️

 

[Doncarlone]

Forza has set the stage to sell battlepasses that give you said parts and XP bonuses as long as you buy the battle pass regularly. All the evidence is here without them announcing it.

Like call of duty battlepass?
Buy, grind 100 tiers and do it again with new cars and parts 60 days later?
Oh God I hope not...

 

[mynameis66]

I recall the Nurburgring time trial with the NSX had tuning enabled. The car has a couple of S parts that could be installed to give you more room to play with the powerband while still staying under the HP limit. A small advantage but an advantage all the same.

It's possible T10 could be gearing up to monetise the crap out of this system but they tried that once before in FM7 and the community raked them over the coals for it. Even now FM7 carries the lootbox stigmata. I don't know how willing they'd be to try again.

I do know the community will absolutely love to be surprised by undisclosed MTX systems with only a few months out from launch.

We shall have to wait and see but at the moment no lootboxes or paid cars.Starts around 21.40.

 

[Nightwing24]

Like call of duty battlepass?
Buy, grind 100 tiers and do it again with new cars and parts 60 days later?
Oh God I hope not...

I was wrong, they did specifically mention it is included in Forza:

Forza Motorsport Single-Player Mode Revealed: Car Leveling, Car Points, Online Saves, & More

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNR2Kk_f4Y The core single-player mode of Forza Motorsport has been revealed in a special Forza Monthly stream, with the studio's creative Chris Esaki explaining the all-new approach: "level, build, dominate". As a whole, the solo mode is named "Builders Cup"

www.gtplanet.net

The subject of microtransactions also came up in the session, with Esaki confirming that there would be no cash-for-currency MTXs in the game. Of course there’s a car pass, welcome pack, and race day car pack available at extra cost over the base game — all included in the Premium version — and a VIP membership which includes cars, vanity items, and a permanent credit multiplier.

But that terrible GT7 grind!!! 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Doncarlone]

The subject of microtransactions also came up in the session, with Esaki confirming that there would be no cash-for-currency MTXs in the game. Of course there’s a car pass, welcome pack, and race day car pack available at extra cost over the base game — all included in the Premium version — and a VIP membership which includes cars, vanity items, and a permanent credit multiplier.

Thats common in forza. Fm7, fh5 and fh4 had that

 

[Nielsen]

GT doesn’t need a career mode. What the game needs is structure and more things to do with the cars included, like in the old days of the franchise. More common sense in game design and a bigger sandbox would do wonders for GT7. So far it has been all about poor logic and restraint. The people in charge should start looking for another job, because they suck.

 

[Nebuc72]

Thats common in forza. Fm7, fh5 and fh4 had that

Oh that makes it okay then.
I do love spending £60 on a game to then have to spend another £30 on car passes and packs instead of I don't know, playing the game for a bit and earning them.

 

[Black Rook]

So basically you consider yourself as a "cry baby" ? Are you happy now? I guess you're not an you never will, as far as the GT7 economy is concern, same as the rest of the "cry" community. ✌️

Please stop lecturing people. Your favourite race in the game is Tokyo, you love the "big 4" races and used them to build your car collection. You spent how many hours racing Tokyo? How can you call anyone a cry baby, you're sitting here crying because you just don't want other people to have it too easy. You want it to take exactly how long (or longer) than it took you to collect all the cars. Complain about young people all you want, doesnt make you superior. Touch grass.

 

[Doncarlone]

Oh that makes it okay then.
I do love spending £60 on a game to then have to spend another £30 on car passes and packs instead of I don't know, playing the game for a bit and earning them.

Dont know where did you read that makes it ok.
I remember putting their car pass on the negatives when I made a comparison between fm7 and gt7 some pages ago on this thread.
Agree or disagree they have been doing it for a long time and likely will not stop anytime soon.

 

[Abyss1]

Has the milk gone dry for making money from racing games. I see the same issue with skateboarding games. There’s a divide as to whether story modes makes them sell better as to a content drop approach like fortnite.

 

[Goldenwerwolf]

I've recently discovered quite a hilarious bug that occurs in several events.

For the European FR 550 races, the 3.0 CSL drivers (P. Thomas and G. Traugott) will literally seem to "give up" in several corners, and inexplicably let themselves crash into a wall or spin out.

I've uploaded a replay of this absurd phenomenon, which takes place on the Brands Hatch event. No idea what's causing it to happen.

You’re right P Thomas ran off track twice and G Traugott ran off track 12 times kept straight in the turns reviewed replay

 

[mynameis66]

Heres a question for anyone that knows,its not a gripe more an observation.The pic show the front wing on 2 of my R33`s.Both have exactly the same body mods and factory,or real paint colours but as you can see one is missing the side repeater and gt logo.Ive tried changing paint colours on both but they still stay the same.The only difference between the 2 models is the white one is from an earlier version of the game,probably when I first started playing,the blue one is from todays ucd with a paint job.
My earlier R34`s are also missing the same bits but later build versions have them on the wings.Any clues?Like I said not a gripe im just curious.

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

And 1/4th of the car list would randomly be removed from spawning in the LCD/UCD.

PD+ intensifies

 

[morfei1]

Please stop lecturing people. Your favourite race in the game is Tokyo, you love the "big 4" races and used them to build your car collection. You spent how many hours racing Tokyo? How can you call anyone a cry baby, you're sitting here crying because you just don't want other people to have it too easy. You want it to take exactly how long (or longer) than it took you to collect all the cars. Complain about young people all you want, doesnt make you superior. Touch grass.

OMG.... another one. I spend on Tokyo about 4100km on my Porsche. Is it much for you? ...and I have 200000km all around the tracks. Is it much for you? Well, I won't mention how many hours and km I have on other sims, coz you will really get depressed.

As long as.... lets say 2-3 maybe 4 years, I don't know but 6 months is deffenitely low for me.... I've got all the cars maybe in about let's say 6 months, so now I'm bored to death and I decided to fill up my pocket to the max. Is it a problem for you?

 

[GTP_reddevil]

I've recently discovered quite a hilarious bug that occurs in several events.

For the European FR 550 races, the 3.0 CSL drivers (P. Thomas and G. Traugott) will literally seem to "give up" in several corners, and inexplicably let themselves crash into a wall or spin out.

I've uploaded a replay of this absurd phenomenon, which takes place on the Brands Hatch event. No idea what's causing it to happen.

I’m actually glad someone else has seen this - I thought it was just me and perhaps the 3.0 CSL clipped the gravel slightly and spun out.

As it turned out, this is actually very consistent and hilarious - thank you for spotting this cause I thought I had very random luck.

 

[JTB10000]

Even if they literally just copied and pasted events from GT Sport with 0 changes and better pay that would be much better than what we already have, here are a few that would make use of some cars:

Gr.2 is literally useless outside of detuning or custom races, why GT Sport has a proper event/championship for them but GT7 doesn't despite GT7having 3 more Gr.2 cars than GT Sport i'll never know.

We don't have any long endurance races for actual endurance cars.

What I would also like to see return from GTS is the handicap bonus. It's incentive for the player to challenge themselves and a convenient kind of workaround for PD if they don't want to improve the AI itself.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Forza also has a ticket system. Its much nicer to the player than gt7's, but its still a ticket system and they can overhaul it into hell if they want. We will know in october

Forza Motorsport will not have any random prizes at all, as confirmed in the recent Forza Monthly. You race, earn credits and car points, and buy and upgrade your cars. Nothing is left to chance.

 

[ImaRobot]

Forza has set the stage to sell battlepasses that give you said parts and XP bonuses as long as you buy the battle pass regularly. All the evidence is here without them announcing it.

Worst ver of grind ever, artificially increasing grinding unless you pay real money, yet still complaining about the GT7 grind. The irony

I’ll stick with reliability running the same 3 races or circuit experience when I need credits rather than having to plan to set aside hours a day to grind XP per car to get fast per car since I refuse to pay more than the sticker price for any game and never contribute to MTX. Even grinding pre 1.34 GT7 you never relied on the roulette for credits, so not understanding the relationship at all.

Still looks like GT7 grind is far vastly superior to what Forza has planned to me

That makes very little sense considering you can unlock mostly everything needed for the cars by level 30, in less than an hour at that, depending on your skill levels. The system doesnt give me a good feeling and just seems a bit convoluted for no reason, but what you're trying to grasp ridiculously hard for literally makes no sense at all and is based on no foundation. Hell, even one of the stills from the game shows a person reaching Driver level 4 after a race and already being level 22 for a car they drove. Either way, credits have never been an issue acquiring in said game, for all their games, so I don't see that changing much now.

The car xp thing seems stupid to me, definitely something that they need to go more into detail about, but even then doesn't sound like that large of a hurdle to me.

I still stand by my statement that everything we know so far about Forza points towards a worse grind with worse MTX in comparison to GT7

Already been confirmed that there's no Microtransactions. Unless they pull what PD did and say that, and then just lie about it. Could happen.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Already been confirmed that there's no Microtransactions. Unless they pull what PD did and say that, and then just lie about it. Could happen.

T10 is not in a position to piss off their fans so much and get away with it. They cut lootboxes out of FM7 and the last game to have MTX was FH3 (not developed by T10, but they used the same MTX system anyway).

I believe them when they say there won't be any MTX. They need to get back good faith with the players again.

 

[Mariangello]

T10 is not in a position to piss off their fans so much and get away with it. They cut lootboxes out of FM7 and the last game to have MTX was FH3 (not developed by T10, but they used the same MTX system anyway).

I believe them when they say there won't be any MTX. They need to get back good faith with the players again.

Or they must stay clean for at least a few months after the game's release. 🤣

 

[Doncarlone]

Forza Motorsport will not have any random prizes at all, as confirmed in the recent Forza Monthly. You race, earn credits and car points, and buy and upgrade your cars. Nothing is left to chance.

They gonna take out the roulette system? 😲
Talk about a change in strategy

 

[ImaRobot]

They gonna take out the roulette system? 😲
Talk about a change in strategy

The system that only gave credits and racer customization that are all earnable also in game? It never was an issue to began with so not sure why it's being pointed out.

Or are you talking about the system that Horizon had, not the one that Motorsport had?

 

[Doncarlone]

The system that only gave credits and racer customization that are all earnable also in game? It never was an issue to began with so not sure why it's being pointed out.

Or are you talking about the system that Horizon had, not the one that Motorsport had?

I'm just surprised they would take this system away after being in fm7, fh4 and fh5.

 

[ImaRobot]

I'm just surprised they would take this system away after being in fm7, fh4 and fh5.

Why? The loot crates(that only used in game currency to purchase) were removed from FM7 in 2018 and the one that is in Horizon hasn't been in Motorsport games. I feel like you're getting things mixed up here.

 

[Doncarlone]

Why? The loot crates(that only used in game currency to purchase) were removed from FM7 in 2018 and the one that is in Horizon hasn't been in Motorsport games. I feel like you're getting things mixed up here.

Yeah you are right.
I mistakenly thought the roulette system from fh4 and fh5 was also in fm7 for some reason. Havent played fm7 in a long time, probably mixed the memories. Sorry