Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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ArR29
Well, imo it still is.
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The last two Gran Turismo titles sold five million fewer copies combined in the last eight years (December 2013 - December 2021) than one God of War did in three and a third (April 2018 - August 2021); that essentially means GOW outsold GT at a rate of 4:1.

GT might still just be the best-selling PS-exclusive franchise, but it's had a bit of a head start on that front. Since 2010 (which is being kind to GT, as GT5 launched that year) the numbers are:

GT - 25 million (3 games)
GOW - 28 million (3 games)
Uncharted - 26 million (3 games*)
TLOU - ~27 million (2 games**)

If we shuffle forward to 2015, those figures become more awkward:

GT - 11 million (2 games)
GOW - 19.5 million (1 game)
Uncharted - 15 million (1 game)
TLOU - ~19 million (2 games**)

And that's bearing in mind that GT's figures are players not sales for GT Sport.

GT was massively successful for 15 years, but it's not still in that position. It was huge back in 1997-2004, but no GT game has ever sold as much as GOW (2018), UC4 or TLOU, and GT7 really needs to hit that kind of mark to be back in that position again.

*UC2 launched November 2009; I've excluded 2m sales from the total to reflect existing sales figures of 1m in the first week and 3.6m to February 2010
**Sony has never given an update on TLOU2 after its first-three-days figure of 4m; it's likely that in the intervening 18 months it's reached 10m, but this is only an estimate.
 
ArR29
Looking forward to seeing how GT7 would perform commercially given that this is a mainline GT and they're heavy on nostalgia pandering.
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I think it will do well, but to beat Spiderman alone it would need to be the best selling title in the history of the franchise, which I'm not convinced is on the cards.
 
ArR29
I already rectify my original post that it wasn't about the most popular or highest selling game in recent years but the biggest selling playstation franchise overall and that's where all misunderstanding started. And here's no way I'm going back and discuss my pointless ranting again.
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Yes, but then when someone said that it's not the biggest ace in the hole for Sony any more, you doubled down on it saying that you think it still is. Again, there's a big distinction between what you're saying you wrote and what you actually wrote. Selling the most over two decades isn't really as import as the numbers that these brand new games are hitting. Some of these games are selling more in a couple years span than a 1/4th to 1/3rd of all PD's sales for GT
 
Quakebass
If this is credible, it could be that they just haven't yet been in state to be shown, were intentionally held for later marketing pushes, or they're still in development for post-launch.

GTS launched with scapes for Le Mans but without the track present, all further post-launch circuits received scapes along side. I highly doubt they'd go to circuits just for scapes, so again, this seems like a good indicator if credible.
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I think this is the case too. Seeing how two of those locations are street circuits with easy public access during the off season, the photographers took the chance to cover this area for circuit-like backgrounds or references.
 
Scaff
I think it will do well, but to beat Spiderman alone it would need to be the best selling title in the history of the franchise, which I'm not convinced is on the cards.
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And that's against a comic book franchise, something that in itself already has an unfair advantage in reach and popularity.
 
rhalgr
GT: Kart or Gran Kart? What would the name be?

GT doesn't need to find a solution. The franchise just isn't the biggest racing franchise. Not in lifetime sales, players or current relevancy.
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Motor Toon Grand Prix 2
 
Famine
The last two Gran Turismo titles sold five million fewer copies combined in the last eight years (December 2013 - December 2021) than one God of War did in three and a third (April 2018 - August 2021); that essentially means GOW outsold GT at a rate of 4:1.

GT might still just be the best-selling PS-exclusive franchise, but it's had a bit of a head start on that front. Since 2010 (which is being kind to GT, as GT5 launched that year) the numbers are:

GT - 25 million (3 games)
GOW - 28 million (3 games)
Uncharted - 26 million (3 games*)
TLOU - ~27 million (2 games**)

If we shuffle forward to 2015, those figures become more awkward:

GT - 11 million (2 games)
GOW - 19.5 million (1 game)
Uncharted - 15 million (1 game)
TLOU - ~19 million (2 games**)

And that's bearing in mind that GT's figures are players not sales for GT Sport.

GT was massively successful for 15 years, but it's not still in that position. It was huge back in 1997-2004, but no GT game has ever sold as much as GOW (2018), UC4 or TLOU, and GT7 really needs to hit that kind of mark to be back in that position again.

*UC2 launched November 2009; I've excluded 2m sales from the total to reflect existing sales figures of 1m in the first week and 3.6m to February 2010
**Sony has never given an update on TLOU2 after its first-three-days figure of 4m; it's likely that in the intervening 18 months it's reached 10m, but this is only an estimate.
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No denying that their is huge market for that type of games in recent years. I still think Gran Turismo is a huge brand and would sell tons of copies on name alone
ImaRobot
Yes, but then when someone said that it's not the biggest ace in the hole for Sony any more, you doubled down on it saying that you think it still is. Again, there's a big distinction between what you're saying you wrote and what you actually wrote. Selling the most over two decades isn't really as import as the numbers that these brand new games are hitting. Some of these games are selling more in a couple years span than a 1/4th to 1/3rd of all PD's sales for GT
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Imo It still is because of brand loyalty. Gran Turismo has created a huge loyal fanbase that would buy the game just because there's a GT named on it regardless how good or bad the game is. It's the same thing as FIFA or COD.
 
ArR29
No denying that their is huge market for that type of games in recent years. I still think Gran Turismo is a huge brand and would sell tons of copies on name alone

Imo It still is because of brand loyalty. Gran Turismo has created a huge loyal fanbase that would buy the game just because there's a GT named on it regardless how good or bad the game is. It's the same thing as FIFA or COD.
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A market that has declined since its highpoint and is nothing like COD with 400+ million sales and Fifa with over 325+ million sales.

They are not even comparable.
 
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ArR29
I still think Gran Turismo is a huge brand and would sell tons of copies on name alone.
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Yes. What it's not is the "ace in the hole" or "biggest franchise" any more.

It has more lifetime sales than anything else due to having more lifetime than anything else! Being massive in the PS2 era (best selling home games console ever) accounts for almost a third of the series' lifetime sales, and with the PS1 era folded in it's more than half.

To put it another way, GT sold better from in ten years from 1997-2006 that it did in the most recent 14 years from 2007-2021...
 
ArR29
Imo It still is because of brand loyalty. Gran Turismo has created a huge loyal fanbase that would buy the game just because there's a GT named on it regardless how good or bad the game is. It's the same thing as FIFA or COD.
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But again, that means very little in the face of what's actually going on because there's ton more people that do that for the games mentioned, by a fairly large margin it seems like. Which again, is far and away from making it the Ace in the Hole by a good bit. How is it the Ace in the hole if it's not doing better than these other games?
 
I apologize but not I'm not acquainted with the term "ace in the hole". I may have been mistaking it for something else.
 
GT7 could bring sales back close to what they were in the past. GT6 had the major disadvantage of being released on PS3 just before the PS4 was launched (when new consoles were still something people could buy without a strategic plan) and GT6 wasn’t a big leap over the highly popular GT5. Then GTS was a departure from the norm and the content lineup at launch was very weak. GT7 doesn’t really face any evident obstacles preventing great success.
 
Nielsen
GT7 could bring sales back close to what they were in the past. GT6 had the major disadvantage of being released on PS3 just before the PS4 was launched (when new consoles were still something people could buy without a strategic plan) and GT6 wasn’t a big leap over the highly popular GT5. Then GTS was a departure from the norm and the content lineup at launch was very weak. GT7 doesn’t really face any evident obstacles preventing great success.
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I'd imagine that's what's already happening with the release of GTS, it's more or less likely around what the series used to sell before the dip it had for a little. GTS has what, like 13 million+ player accounts? Even if we pretend that as much as 25% of that is duplicate accounts, I'd imagine that's putting it up there with the others. Being released on hardware that has massively more in circulation is seen as a sales disadvantage?
 
Strittan
This will never stop to amaze me. People can do what they want of course, but to buy a console for one game only when there are so many fantastic worlds to experience saddens me.
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That's partly because games these day's tend to be games as a service and there are only so many hours in a day.

Don't think I've bought one PS5 game yet. Every game has been an upgrade from a PS4 game. If PD hits the nail clean on the head they've earned a sale.
 
Tired Tyres
That's partly because games these day's tend to be games as a service and there are only so many hours in a day.

Don't think I've bought one PS5 game yet. Every game has been an upgrade from a PS4 game. If PD hits the nail clean on the head they've earned a sale.
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Lots of great single player campaigns too. I'm playing the PS5 version of Jedi Fallen Order and it's really good so far. The pace, engaging story and location variety of Uncharted with the challenging technical gameplay of Dark Souls.
 
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Igano
How come not on PC?
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I prefer to have it so the PC isn't tied up with gaming; it's easier for me to have a game on the left screen running on a console while the PC remains a work station on the right screen.

I'll sometimes use the PC for previews - such as the recent GRID Legends - if that's all that's available.
Igano
I'm curious if you work as a gaming journalist in other places except GTP.
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I have done previously (DriveTribe notably), but unless it's a one-off I've been asked to do by someone I know because of my alleged expertise or if it's something we wouldn't cover here, generally not. I do more car stuff elsewhere, though not much since COVID happened.
 
Strittan
This will never stop to amaze me. People can do what they want of course, but to buy a console for one game only when there are so many fantastic worlds to experience saddens me.
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I purchased a brand new TV and a PS3 at launch just for GT5

I’ve recently just bought a new TV and PS5 with GT7 being a big factor (not the biggest but close)

That being said I will then buy other games down the line and the TV gets used for everything not just gaming. So while it’s not just for one game, it does have a huge bearing on my deduction.

I always buy Nintendos latest hardware once a Legend of Zelda game is announced too. If GT7 had been pushed back another year etc. then I’d wait till then to pick up a PS5, unlesss like the PS4 it is bought for me as a gift.
 
Strittan
This will never stop to amaze me. People can do what they want of course, but to buy a console for one game only when there are so many fantastic worlds to experience saddens me.
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It shouldn't sadden you that people have other hobbies to spend their time and money on. Does it sadden you that people sit at home playing games when there's so many amazing things to see in the real world?
 
MatskiMonk
It shouldn't sadden you that people have other hobbies to spend their time and money on. Does it sadden you that people sit at home playing games when there's so many amazing things to see in the real world?
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This sounds like something someone would respond with if they had a bad day or just feel the need to be super defensive. Loosen up.

His observation was more than fair and had good intentions behind it. I don't think it deserved the slightly aggressive response it received.
 
Strittan
This will never stop to amaze me. People can do what they want of course, but to buy a console for one game only when there are so many fantastic worlds to experience saddens me.
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Well, buying a console for just a single game doesn't mean that you'll necessarily limit yourself to that one game after the purchase. I for instance didn't feel like buying a PS4 until Uncharted 4 came out in 2016, three years into the life cycle of the console. However I have close to 100 PS4 games on my trophy list now. Plus, there's a few games I bought and never ended up playing, so the actual figure is most certainly over 100. Uncharted 4 is what got me into the PS4's ecosystem and once I was there I ended up buying a lot more. That's what you call a system seller.
 
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Strittan
This will never stop to amaze me. People can do what they want of course, but to buy a console for one game only when there are so many fantastic worlds to experience saddens me.
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I'm not sure what this logic is? Some people build a PC just to play CS:GO or iRacing for the sim racing side (and for more money!). It's not like they'll get other games for it. Even if so why is that your problem? Lots of more things to sadden you.
 
I’m sure I’ll end up acquiring more PS5 games down the line but really what made me take the decision to get one was that GT7 had a release date by then (mid/late september) and the fact that I figured that finding this console at retail prize in this region was going to be near impossible between November 2021 and the game's release

So far I’ve been right
 
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