Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Phaceless_Ph]

If the raffle tickets are able to be purchased by real money (or even in game credits because you can buy credits with real money), then we have a big problem. So big that it might even be illegal in some parts of the world.

If raffle tickets are not available for purchase by credits or real money, then the most damage a financially irresponsible person can do to themselves is limited.

Doubt it, @Scaff correct me if I'm wrong, but that's basically illegal now because of the lootbox laws right?

 

[Scaff]

Doubt it, @Scaff correct me if I'm wrong, but that's basically illegal now because of the lootbox laws right?

It depends on the country, Holland has banned them for example, but publishers still use them in countries they can.

https://www.thegamer.com/netherlands-loot-box-ban/

 

[Lord Protector]

For anyone having trouble with the preorder credits I just closed and restarted the game and that seemed to fix everything.

What about pre-order cars?

 

[mcsqueegy]

What about pre-order cars?

Mine were already in the garage on my first bootup.

 

[Nagaremono]

It's a car game, let me drive the cars after a reasonable amount of time and effort. In Gran Turismo Sport I never got to drive any of the 15 and 20 million credit cars because I didn't have 12 hours to grind out credits for each one and I wasn't going to spend money on MTs. They could have made it easier to earn credits normally, but they didn't.

You could have driven them easily if you’d spent as much time playing it as you spend ‘debating’ with people here. I went platinum trophy in GTS a fortnight ago, also hit 180 logged on days at almost the same time, having started it late 2020 in lockdown, only playing a few hours maybe two or three evenings a week on average. So it’s not that much of a big ask. Admittedly, I haven’t driven the 250GTO or Alfa TZ, not fussed about them tbh, but I’ve got absolutely everything else at the expensive end, and that’s in 180 days spread over about 14-16 months.

Not wanting to pick an argument (unlike some others, I enjoy reading your ‘debates’ with people here, you’re a very good devil’s advocate, obviously bright, and I agree with you much of the time) but on this one point, from my own very recent experience, I think you’re massively over-egging the effort involved.

Edit: PS. And the most expensive car I ever got in the workload thing was a Veneno, worth around 3 mil I believe, all the others - 330,GT40 mkIV, D-Type, Daytona Cobra, etc, were all just bought by playing the game. Just played the game for a while, then noticed money saved, then bought sthg. I suspect you come at it from the other end - ‘I want car X, how much is it, how can I earn that?’ - which is a recipe for frustration. Just play the game, save without thinking about it, check occasionally and if the money’s there buy what you want...

 

[GTP_MikkelDK]

Does anybody know if there is endurance races in GT7 career mode? :-) cant find Any informations on it

 

[SSQES]

Nobody will care but it's fine, I must say it, just got my game shipped one day early, I'm so happy
A few hour in advance, but Have fun guys

 

[JDMKING13]

Gambling's not forced, it's still a societal problem, and certainly does cause harm.

MT's are not much better in that regard, forced or not

'My son spent £3,160 in one game'

As politicians call for more regulation, you share your stories about children spending money within games.

www.bbc.co.uk

Did you read what I wrote? I said do what with your money long as it doesn’t harm people if your gambling is that bad where you hurt yourself and others I don’t agree with it.. hence I said as long as you are not hurting anyone You are using extreme cases also anything done recklessly can cause harm. I can say that about anything so I don’t really know what your proving there. I placed a bet on the super bowl for 20 bucks… am I’m harming people or society??? as for the the MT article I’m sorry but that’s bad parenting and has nothing to do with MT’s.. my 6 year old and 8 year old have my debit card on both of their system with no lock…. I have never had anyone of them buy anything without my allowing… that’s like blaming video games for being a violent person.

 

[Tekku]

Are all the people talking with you in-game famous car people? Or are some just random stock photos?

 

[NICKname]

Are all the people talking with you in-game famous car people? Or are some just random stock photos?

Both. It appears to be stock photos, actual designers of real life cars, and people who competed in the GT Sport invitationals.

 

[lancia delta hf]

I don’t know… I just never been the type of person who question what people want to do with their OWN cash especially if it not hurting anyone… some people will see value in it some people won’t It’s not forced.

Are you misunderstanding the point deliberately? No one gives a **** how someone else spends their money. What people are criticising is the fact that the devs may have sat around a table and discussed how they're gonna structure the game economy in a way that will funnel people to depart with real money to unlock content they already own, thus making the gameplay laborious rather than a joy for the players that dont want to buy MTs. It really isn't that hard to understand .

They're hyping the game on having over 400 cars, I know just from playing GTS that I likely wont own any of the cars I really want so makes this game a different prospect to the one I'm seeing marketed.

All they had to do is reward you a car for tgs next even, plus credits to buy a few cars in that category. Win tournamen x to win a historic car to enter the historic tournament which gifts you a high end car for thd following event. That's progression, doing the same mundane race 20 times to buy a car is not progression. It's really poor game structure and guess what? These were things we were saying 10 damn years ago. GT6 had really poor payouts thanks to MTs, so bad that they "accidentally" glitched the game so you could earn crazy credits.

 

[queleuleu]

I have absolutely zero problem with that. It's putting cars solely behind huge credit barriers that take hours and hours to earn or pushing them towards MTs instead I take issue with and I honestly thought that was an opinion shared across gaming as a whole when MTs started getting phased out a few years ago across the industry because of backlash. Yes, they are still around but not nearly as prevalent as 5 years ago.

Implementation of MTs in GT7 is so bad from a business point of view. $220 US for a car? No one will buy it. It's stupid because if it were $5, maybe in a couple of months I'll buy a car via MTs as a thank you for the free DLCs. It's not even a matter of money, no way I'll spend that much in a videogame. Another point, I'm almost sure the average age of GT players is higher and many of them are casual players not interested by the world of FUT points or Fortnite skins.

 

[Pfei]

The flashing red brake indicator can be turned off! Hallelujah! https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gt7/manual/drivingoption/03

If you do not know when to brake, turn on the Braking Indicator. When it is necessary to brake, the speedometer will turn red. Then it will begin flashing, telling you when you should brake.

 

[Scaff]

Did you read what I wrote? I said do what with your money long as it doesn’t harm people if your gambling is that bad where you hurt yourself and others I don’t agree with it.. hence I said as long as you are not hurting anyone You are using extreme cases also anything done recklessly can cause harm. I can say that about anything so I don’t really know what your proving there. I placed a bet on the super bowl for 20 bucks… am I’m harming people or society??? as for the the MT article I’m sorry but that’s bad parenting and has nothing to do with MT’s.. my 6 year old and 8 year old have my debit card on both of their system with no lock…. I have never had anyone of them buy anything with my allowing…

It's a combination of parental awareness (assuming parent know about MT's) and deliberate design in some games. It's not as simple as, oh well it's optional so it's fine.

That you, and for that matter me, have never had an issue with it, is to be blunt, an irrelevance. Anecdote is not the singular of data.

that’s like blaming video games for being a violent person.

No it's really not.

Extensive studies have been done on both, for video games and violence no link has been shown, ever. For video games and MT's, links to addiction, particularly in those that are designed to be aggressive or effectively gambling, have been shown.

 

[JDMKING13]

Are you misunderstanding the point deliberately? No one gives a **** how someone else spends their money. What people are criticising is the fact that the devs may have sat around a table and discussed how they're gonna structure the game economy in a way that will funnel people to depart with real money to unlock content they already own, thus making the gameplay laborious rather than a joy for the players that dont want to buy MTs. It really isn't that hard to understand .

They're hyping the game on having over 400 cars, I know just from playing GTS that I likely wont own any of the cars I really want so makes this game a different prospect to the one I'm seeing marketed.

All they had to do is reward you a car for tgs next even, plus credits to buy a few cars in that category. Win tournamen x to win a historic car to enter the historic tournament which gifts you a high end car for thd following event. That's progression, doing the same mundane race 20 times to buy a car is not progression. It's really poor game structure and guess what? These were things we were saying 10 damn years ago. GT6 had really poor payouts thanks to MTs, so bad that they "accidentally" glitched the game so you could earn crazy credits.

Is this based on fact because first of all I heard and watching super gT as we speak, and he is earning money easy and fast! You say the devs MAY have set around a table and thought of this right? So you don’t know your just guessing?

 

[PettyWingman]

Almost RS looking

 

[Scaff]

Implementation of MTs in GT7 is so bad from a business point of view. $220 US for a car? No one will buy it. It's stupid because if it were $5, maybe in a couple of months I'll buy a car via MTs as a thank you for the free DLCs. It's not even a matter of money, no way I'll spend that much in a videogame. Another point, I'm almost sure the average age of GT players is higher and many of them are casual players not interested by the world of FUT points or Fortnite skins.

Based on industry data, around 0.15% of players at what's classed at MT wales, who will spend any amount and make up 50% of the MT transactional value.

Lets assume GT7 shifts 10 million copies. That 0.15% is 1.5 million people, who just spent the $220, that's $330m in total for that one purchase.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Have you seen this?

I mean i'm not saying "wooow big surprise microtransaction", but eh, thought I could show you.

This is really heart breaking to see PD can still perform this tactic with excuses from fans to back it up. sighs. 😑 I'm not saying it's you, but mainly the hardcores.

Micro transactions like this are the norm in the gaming industry, I hate them as much as anyone else but there is a very simple solution, don’t buy them.

Yeah, totally! 👍 Man, if only we did this with the other devs instead of us claiming they're the devils for trying to milk more money off their fans. Heh, T10 must feel real stupid for removing their MTs and promising to NEVER bring it back. My lord, what a idiot move on their part. Kaz must be over the moon right now. 🤩

 

[BigJimmy]

Nobody will care but it's fine, I must say it, just got my game shipped one day early, I'm so happy
A few hour in advance, but Have fun guys

I care!

 

[GBalao888]

Are all the people talking with you in-game famous car people? Or are some just random stock photos?

Some look like these kinds of people. Actual FIA GTC drivers are featured in the game, and so is McKeel Hagerty, the CEO of the Hagerty Collection. Not to mention Tom Matano, the original designer of the Miata, and perhaps some other car designers we're yet to see.

 

[Scaff]

It sounds like you will also be getting free cars in GT7 with the roulette wheel thing

Having watched a lot of the reviews and streams, the one constant about the raffle tickets is people complaining they seem to be biased towards the lowest pay-out.

Super GT did four in a row, all gave Cr, one gave the middle amount and the other three all gave out the lowest amount of Cr.

 

[Samus]

watching super gT as we speak, and he is earning money easy and fast!

He's 5 hours in and has around 350K as of now, that could all be gone on buying one car or upgrading a couple of cars. It's not much in the grand scheme of everything there is to buy. It remains to be seen how the payouts are at the very end of the career.

 

[GBalao888]

Having watched a lot of the reviews and streams, the one constant about the raffle tickets is people complaining they seem to be biased towards the lowest pay-out.

Super GT did four in a row, all gave Cr, one gave the middle amount and the other three all gave out the lowest amount of Cr.

This sounds just as painful and rigged as like in GT Sport where I remember I got a Fiat 500 F against a Jaguar XJ13, Ford Mk. IV and Ferrari 330 P4 on a Daily Workout prize. Just when I thought that wasn't bad enough...

 

[queleuleu]

Based on industry data, around 0.15% of players at what's classed at MT wales, who will spend any amount and make up 50% of the MT transactional value.

Lets assume GT7 shifts 10 million copies. That 0.15% is 1.5 million people, who just spent the $220, that's $330m in total for that one purchase.

I get the idea but I think it's $3,3m and not $330m? At the end, it's awful because cars are a key element of gameplay compared to skins in other games.

 

[Samcastor]

This is really heart breaking to see PD can still perform this tactic with excuses from fans to back it up. sighs. 😑 I'm not saying it's you, but mainly the hardcores.

Yeah, totally! 👍 Man, if only we did this with the other devs instead of us claiming they're the devils for trying to milk more money off their fans. Heh, T10 must feel real stupid for removing their MTs and promising to NEVER bring it back. My lord, what a idiot move on their part. Kaz must be over the moon right now. 🤩

The alternative is they sell the new cars/track as expansion packs like Forza horizon or lock cars behind weekly missions/Battle passes. Is that really better? I would rather have this and free future content than "no MT" and paid support for content. People have already spoken on MTs, they sell gangbusters so sad as it is to say, they are here to stay.

 

[CBH]

How did you access them? They never downloaded to my PS5.

Go to the garage.

 

[Scotchboy]

Having watched a lot of the reviews and streams, the one constant about the raffle tickets is people complaining they seem to be biased towards the lowest pay-out.

Super GT did four in a row, all gave Cr, one gave the middle amount and the other three all gave out the lowest amount of Cr.

Yup, the guy on twitch was definitely/clearly most often winning the lowest credit option when there were cars, parts, and floating rectangles with a brand logo on them (what are they?) as other options.

 

[GBalao888]

Yup, the guy on twitch was definitely most often winning the lowest credit option when there were cars, parts, and floating rectangles with a brand logo on them (what are they?) as other options.

Likely brand invitations to buy hypercars.

 

[Famine]

Having watched a lot of the reviews and streams, the one constant about the raffle tickets is people complaining they seem to be biased towards the lowest pay-out.

Super GT did four in a row, all gave Cr, one gave the middle amount and the other three all gave out the lowest amount of Cr.

I did seven (5x 1⭐, 2x 2⭐) and got two tuning parts for cars I don't own, two highest credit, two middle credits, and two lowest.

He's 5 hours in and has around 350K as of now, that could all be gone on buying one car or upgrading a couple of cars. It's not much in the grand scheme of everything there is to buy. It remains to be seen how the payouts are at the very end of the career.

In the early stages you're not paying out much. I'm at 500k because I bought a widebody kit for a Mitsubishi GTO.

The highest value race I've seen at CL10 and MB20 is 75k for a 10-lap race. The best value I've seen are 30-35k for two-lap races, one of which is unlocked pretty much right away (but best done at MB6).

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

The way some people are talking about microtransactions... you can really tell they never experienced grinding in GT1, that game's grinding was rougher than any other game in the series.