Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Nathan88]

Decided to tune the 22B a bit. Wow, it's a great overall performer.

I’d strongly advise people to try out some mild road tunes (buy multiple cars if needed). It’s tempting to go all out and create a track weapon. But I’ve been having lots of fun with modest upgrades, the kind you could make on your own car, with bolt on parts.

Feels like an OEM upgrade and retains the feel of the original car.

Does anyone recall the last Kaz interview with the media? Has he done one since the game released? Feels like he's somehow achieved the impossible and been even quieter than ever before.

Should we be expecting something from Kaz? GT7 only released a few months ago. I haven’t seen new interviews with Guerrilla who released HFW in February.

I have seen Kaz with Hermen Hulst recently to discuss GT’s future. We also have a PSVR2 focused State of Play this coming week. So GT7 could be featured.

 

[DJFridge]

I can't be ****ed anymore, not playing this game again until you can view the weather before the race. It's too frustrating on short races to have a race ruining 1 lap of rain between two extremely sunny periods.

I'd have to agree with the sentiment, even it doesn't stop me racing. If you can access live weather radar during a race, surely a quick view of a forecast before you start isn't an unreasonable request.

 

[Samus]

Should we be expecting something from Kaz? GT7 only released a few months ago. I haven’t seen new interviews with Guerrilla who released HFW in February.

I have seen Kaz with Hermen Hulst recently to discuss GT’s future. We also have a PSVR2 focused State of Play this coming week. So GT7 could be featured.

HFW isn't a live service game. Unless there is some DLC expansion coming, there isn't any reason for him to be interviewed. GT7 on other hand is, and in the past Kaz has given interviews to talk about the future. Or other developers for similar games will make their own videos doing as much.

Pretty sure he hasn't given any interviews since February.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Should we be expecting something from Kaz?

Considering the problems that plague this game, continually, it would certainly behoove him to at least get out there and say something, anything, to make things at least smoother. But considering the fact that Kaz has continually lied and tried to frame problems with his games, going back to GT5's botched launch, as people not understanding a thing about the process of making games (when people have very clearly understood, and are able to sniff out his lying and general ass covering) maybe it is a good thing that he isn't talking.

 

[queleuleu]

Three months later and still no reason for me to buy this game. I was optimistic for GTSport, the core features were great. GT7 is the opposite. So many wrong choices and badly implemented features. Maybe Poly as a studio in 2022 isn't that good? I don't think they can save GT7.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I saw someone mentioning Twitch viewership to gauge the success of the game.

Well, it's not really an accurate metric at all. Super Mario World has around 4,300 viewers at the time I'm writing this post, but I'm not sure many people play Super Mario World or its romhacks today.

Also it depends on who's streaming. Right now KuruHS, one of the major racing game streamers, is streaming Driver: San Francisco, a dead game (though a good one!). People aren't watching because of the game, but because of Kuru. He's managing 400 viewers, but has gotten much more in the past with his NFS speedruns.

Forza Horizon 5, the juggernaut with 20+ million players, is sitting at a rather low 560 viewers, around 100 more than GT7. But I'd expect figures to become bigger if a guy like AR12 started streaming. Even then, a guy like MUKA ROMERO (Brazilian streamer) gets similar viewer count between FH5 and GT7, despite being a predominantly Forza streamer.

Finally, from what I know, the big GT guys don't stream on Twitch. They're all on YouTube. Kie25, Tidgney, all of them. This changes the stats.

If going by Twitch viewership, if I was PD, I'd be more concerned with how ACC and F1 are doing. ACC has almost double the viewers of GT7 and F1 2021 has more than 5 times that amount (although boosted by race weekend?).

Poor Forza Motorsport 7 has only 21 viewers. And Gran Turismo 4 has... 3.

 

[PaMu1337]

Considering the problems that plague this game, continually, it would certainly behoove him to at least get out there and say something, anything, to make things at least smoother. But considering the fact that Kaz has continually lied and tried to frame problems with his games, going back to GT5's botched launch, as people not understanding a thing about the process of making games (when people have very clearly understood, and are able to sniff out his lying and general ass covering) maybe it is a good thing that he isn't talking.

He did talk though, he gave a statement after the whole downtime/lowered payments 'incident'

It may not have been the greatest statement, but he did say something

 

[Samus]

I saw someone mentioning Twitch viewership to gauge the success of the game.

Well, it's not really an accurate metric at all. Super Mario World has around 4,300 viewers at the time I'm writing this post, but I'm not sure many people play Super Mario World or its romhacks today.

Also it depends on who's streaming. Right now KuruHS, one of the major racing game streamers, is streaming Driver: San Francisco, a dead game (though a good one!). People aren't watching because of the game, but because of Kuru. He's managing 400 viewers, but has gotten much more in the past with his NFS speedruns.

Forza Horizon 5, the juggernaut with 20+ million players, is sitting at a rather low 560 viewers, around 100 more than GT7. But I'd expect figures to become bigger if a guy like AR12 started streaming. Even then, a guy like MUKA ROMERO (Brazilian streamer) gets similar viewer count between FH5 and GT7, despite being a predominantly Forza streamer.

Finally, from what I know, the big GT guys don't stream on Twitch. They're all on YouTube. Kie25, Tidgney, all of them. This changes the stats.

If going by Twitch viewership, if I was PD, I'd be more concerned with how ACC and F1 are doing. ACC has almost double the viewers of GT7 and F1 2021 has more than 5 times that amount (although boosted by race weekend?).

Poor Forza Motorsport 7 has only 21 viewers. And Gran Turismo 4 has... 3.

Twitch viewership at any one moment in time is not a good metric for the reason you mention, individual streamers skewing the numbers solely because someone popular is playing a certain game. Or if regular streamers of a certain game don't happen to play at whatever time you're looking at.

You have to look at averages if you want to try and draw anything.

https://twitchtracker.com/games/518014

https://twitchtracker.com/games/1757732267

Horizon 5 is averaging about double GT7 but they're both practically nothing numbers.

So no, I personally wouldn't really use twitch viewership to judge the overall popularity of GT7. Racing games, on the whole, don't make good streaming games because unless you watch specifically because of the streamer, there are far better options to watch racing, ie real racing. Not so much the case with MMOs, MOBAs, or other fantasy based games. FH5 probably edges GT7 simply because of that slight fantasy element of unrealistic, "fun" driving.

He did talk though, he gave a statement after the whole downtime/lowered payments 'incident'

It may not have been the greatest statement, but he did say something

That was one way though, I was talking about interviews where he is pressed on things. In statements like that he only says what he wants to say.

 

[Nathan88]

Three months later and still no reason for me to buy this game. I was optimistic for GTSport, the core features were great. GT7 is the opposite. So many wrong choices and badly implemented features. Maybe Poly as a studio in 2022 isn't that good? I don't think they can save GT7.

You could argue about the stability of online and a handful of other quality of life improvements. Features wise the dynamic weather simulation is a leap forward. While the tuning options add a near infinite number of possibilities for any car enthusiast.

With that said. Even if a game isn’t for you that really doesn’t say anything about the quality of the title. Afterall, GT7 is PD’s biggest critical & commercial hit for a decade.

Just as importantly, this success has put PD and the Gran Turismo franchise, back on the top table at PlayStation. Alongside it’s most influential studios like ND, SSM, Guerrilla & Insomniac.

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

Afterall, GT7 is PD’s biggest critical & commercial hit for a decade.

It's still a little early to tell just how much of a commercial "hit" it is.

I'd wait around a year, even go as far as tallying up it's total units in it's lifetime before we'll call it a success.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

You could argue about the stability of online and a handful of other quality of life improvements. Features wise the dynamic weather simulation is a leap forward. While the tuning options add a near infinite number of possibilities for any car enthusiast.

With that said. Even if a game isn’t for you that really doesn’t say anything about the quality of the title. Afterall, GT7 is PD’s biggest critical & commercial hit for a decade.

Just as importantly, this success has put PD and the Gran Turismo franchise, back on the top table at PlayStation. Alongside it’s most influential studios like ND, SSM, Guerrilla & Insomniac.

The fact they're considering a Gran Turismo movie of all things is quite telling as well. The game has problems, yes, but they went in a direction that worked for them. I just hope they don't gut everything they built in Sport, because the concerns from e-sports drivers are legit.

Single player is easy to fix, just let us save individual events and increase payout. There you have it, an endless amount of events with the cars you want. Racing against my own cars is really interesting.

 

[Nathan88]

It's still a little early to tell just how much of a commercial "hit" it is.

I'd wait around a year, even go as far as tallying up it's total units in it's lifetime before we'll call it a success.

Most titles generate the majority of their revenue within the opening month. By month two you see bundling deals. By month three major discounts. In its first month GT7 ranked #4 in the yearly NPD revenue chart. BTW, the US is not really a great market for Gran Turismo compared to Europe.

There are a handful of evergreen AAA titles that maintain a presence on the sales charts at full price. We’ve seen that with Miles Morales and are now seeing it with GT7 & HFW.

I’ll not labour the point as I’ve covered this ground in other posts. But to sum up. 15m is a conservative lifetime figure for GT7 given how early we are in the generation. I’m pretty confident it will join the likes of Uncharted 4, TLOU 1/2, GoW, Spider-Man/Miles Morales and top 20m.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

Most titles generate the majority of their revenue within the opening month. By month two you see bundling deals. By month three major discounts. In its first month GT7 ranked #4 in the yearly NPD revenue chart. BTW, the US is not really a great market for Gran Turismo compared to Europe.

There are a handful of evergreen AAA titles that maintain a presence on the sales charts at full price. We’ve seen that with Miles Morales and are now seeing it with GT7 & HFW.

I’ll not labour the point as I’ve covered this ground in other posts. But to sum up. 15m is a conservative lifetime figure for GT7 given how early we are in the generation. I’m pretty confident it will join the likes of Uncharted 4, TLOU 1/2, GoW, Spider-Man/Miles Morales and top 20m.

European data shows GT7 was the best-seller in Italy and a top seller in France and Germany. It also beat the boxed sales of Horizon Forbidden West in the UK. Digital was close between Horizon, Elden Ring and GT7.

 

[Samus]

Most titles generate the majority of their revenue within the opening month. By month two you see bundling deals. By month three major discounts. In its first month GT7 ranked #4 in the yearly NPD revenue chart. BTW, the US is not really a great market for Gran Turismo compared to Europe.

There are a handful of evergreen AAA titles that maintain a presence on the sales charts at full price. We’ve seen that with Miles Morales and are now seeing it with GT7 & HFW.

I’ll not labour the point as I’ve covered this ground in other posts. But to sum up. 15m is a conservative lifetime figure for GT7 given how early we are in the generation. I’m pretty confident it will join the likes of Uncharted 4, TLOU 1/2, GoW, Spider-Man/Miles Morales and top 20m.

How many copies has GT7 sold as of right now? Provide your sources.

 

[Nielsen]

I’d strongly advise people to try out some mild road tunes (buy multiple cars if needed). It’s tempting to go all out and create a track weapon. But I’ve been having lots of fun with modest upgrades, the kind you could make on your own car, with bolt on parts.

Feels like an OEM upgrade and retains the feel of the original car.

This is one of the reasons why I keep coming back to the entry-level events when I don’t necessarily care about earning credits. It’s fun to enter a car well below the suggested PP and then gradually add performance parts until it can win on whatever comfort or sports compound you’ve chosen. Step by step one gets to appreciate how each part affects the car, and in the process the expenses just barely get covered by the modest event payouts. Simply a nice way to relax with the game without repeating the exact same soul-draining grind over and over.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The fact they're considering a Gran Turismo movie of all things is quite telling as well.

This is going to be hilarious to come back to when the GT movie ends up in development hell for five to ten years before being canned because you can't possibly make an interesting GT movie. I wonder what happens then?

Single player is easy to fix, just let us save individual events and increase payout.

Too bad you still haven't fixed the shambolic AI that they've used for close to two decades, even after introducing selectable difficulty that ultimately doesn't matter and is governed by its own rules, making the selectable difficulty more or less window dressing and deciding how far you want the rabbit to chase.

How many copies has GT7 sold as of right now? Provide your sources.

And once more, sales numbers mean nothing especially considering the very unflattering word of mouth that came out of that first month and a half of release.

 

[Nathan88]

How many copies has GT7 sold as of right now? Provide your sources.

We can only make guesstimates from the different data sources like NPD (US), GFK & GSD (UK & EU). Plus a few other sources such as Japan. Together with data released for other titles which we can compare with.

IE Horizon Forbidden West is performing a little below Horizon Zero Dawn. HZD’s lifetime PS4 sales surpassed 20m. In Europe GT7 is performing at least on par, if not better, than HFW.

As of late May we’re likely looking at between 3.5m-4m.

 

[Samus]

We can only make guesstimates from the different data sources like NPD (US), GFK & GSD (UK & EU). Plus a few other sources such as Japan. Together with data released for other titles which we can compare with.

IE Horizon Forbidden West is performing a little below Horizon Zero Dawn. HZD’s lifetime PS4 sales surpassed 20m. In Europe GT7 is performing at least on par, if not better, than HFW.

As of late May we’re likely looking at between 3.5m-4m.

Exactly, you're guessing. There are no official numbers, just as there wasn't for GTS.

 

[Silver Arrows]

And besides, chances are official numbers are never released unless it hit a milestone, or anything that looks flattering for GT7 / Polyphony at large.

 

[Nathan88]

This is going to be hilarious to come back to when the GT movie ends up in development hell for five to ten years before being canned because you can't possibly make an interesting GT movie. I wonder what happens then?

Putting aside the strange takes you can’t make an interesting Hollywood movie about automotive culture. Despite Fast and the Furious being one of the biggest action franchises around. And Ford vs Ferrari being an Oscar contender with big name stars.

What does this perceived ‘development hell’ have to do with Sony’s faith & investment in the Gran Turismo franchise? Uncharted also went though development troubles, multiple directors, lead actors etc. It’s now set to take in half a billion dollars for PlayStation Productions.

I dare say Top Gun 2 becoming a mega hit will also see movie studios falling over themselves to produce a sequel to Days of Thunder!

And once more, sales numbers mean nothing especially considering the very unflattering word of mouth that came out of that first month and a half of release.

That was certainly a difficult period. But it didn’t make any notable impact on retail performance. We’re now a month and a half on from that period.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Putting aside the strange takes you can’t make an interesting Hollywood movie about automotive culture.

Do you think that the entire fabric of GT as a franchise is conducive to anything other then video games? And considering what it tries to present itself within those video game confines, do you think that a GT movie is at all going to accurately represent those values?

At least Need for Speed is broad enough of a franchise that you can pick and choose what you want as a screenwriter and have it at least be somewhat faithful to the series. What can you do with GT in that same vein?

What does this perceived ‘development hell’ have to do with Sony’s faith & investment in the Gran Turismo franchise?

Movies get announced all the time, and they also go through many writers and producers before eventually hitting a state where filming can begin. Some don't even make that point. Considering what I said above, do you really believe there is enough to make a GT movie that is at all faithful to what the series has presented itself as for the past 25 years without it turning into a joke?

We’re now a month and a half on from that period.

And what do we have to show for it other then Polyphony more or less devolving back to launch habits, except now there's a drip feed of content to keep the remaining fanbase satisfied for a few days before they start to ask for more?

So much of your arguments basically reverts to Ben Shapiro styled 'facts and logic' and continual harping on about sales numbers. You forget that sales numbers only really benefit stock holders, and they do very little to the actual player base. Not only that, but as I have said time and time again when you go to this well, sales numbers more often then not present one side of the story. The story the publisher and developer wants to present to the world. It's nowhere near the actual story, it only tells how many people paid the price to get the game - and says utterly nothing about how many people are actually playing the game, either daily or over a period of time.

So many of the supposed 'good things' that you say about GT7's release is stuff that ultimately doesn't paint the real picture of what the game is going through. And believe me, from where I'm standing, Polyphony aren't at all out of the woods compared to where they were when the game launched. In fact, it's clear they haven't bothered even searching for an exit and are instead doubling down now that the heat of the fanbase and the gaming press aren't on them.

 

[DJFridge]

I dare say Top Gun 2 becoming a mega hit will also see movie studios falling over themselves to produce a sequel to Days of Thunder!

Didn't Pixar already do that with Cars?🤣

 

[Artremis]

Exactly, you're guessing. There are no official numbers, just as there wasn't for GTS.

Educated guess != randomly guessing, though. GT7's legs years down the line remain to be seen but it absolutely had a strong launch period.

 

[Vitesh Patel]

The Mazda LM55 VGT Group 1 was my weapon of choice for the VGT and Group 1 championship.

Daytona and Suzuka were easily the hardest races to win, needing to use a low and high downforce setup.

Only won Daytona by 2 tenths from the Group C Jag, but I think if I were to run it again, I'd be faster now I've had more seat time with this car.

Was lucky enough for the rain to stay away (loving the new weather radar, so much more useful) at Suzuka and did the race on Hards with FM6 and short shifting.

 

[GTboyz]

Well, finally Gold S10, and got 1 star ticket with 2k as a bonus.

 

[foxdylan]

Really disappointed with the money from new races .

They filled me with hope when they said they didn't want people to farm the same old races over and over again .

So hyped when Gr1 races appear yessss aaaaaand 100k ... oh what .

So its win them and back to the same old races ... sigh .

I want to races all the cars and all the tracks its not a hard concept for a game just set a fair pay for them all for the love of God its not hard

 

[MIE1992]

So is there a reason that the supposed “Gr.1 Prototype Series” isn’t actually limited to Gr.1 cars? Or could it be a mistake on PD’s part?

 

[JDMKING13]

I don’t like the VGT all that much… I don’t care they are in the game I just don’t use them. That said the VGT menu book races were crazy fun, the Porsche is crazy to drive! The downforce and power is insane lol… I also like the helmet they give you when you drive it wish we could purchase it.

 

[snc]

HFW isn't a live service game. Unless there is some DLC expansion coming, there isn't any reason for him to be interviewed. GT7 on other hand is, and in the past Kaz has given interviews to talk about the future. Or other developers for similar games will make their own videos doing as much.

Pretty sure he hasn't given any interviews since February.

Sony also doesn't consider gt7 as live service game

https://cdn-www.playstationlifestyle.net/assets/uploads/2022/05/playstation-live-service-games.jpg

and as Nathan said its not common for any studio head to give some intervies months after game premiere

 

[Stefan Clift]

Was going to finally get the Platinum trophy…

Once I saw the Jaguar in the Legends’ Dealership I tried to grind as much as possible

I finally get the cr.12,000,000 but then…