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[Famine]

Just a quick note to say that the "Nvidia Leak" was nothing of the sort.

It was an internal database of the Nvidia GeForce Now software that essentially contained a complete storefront scrape of every developer game store - including Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam, Epic, GOG, and pretty much everything else you can think of. GT7's on there because it was in the PSN Store.

Even in that context, the list contained StoreIDs for all the various titles that were already available on PC or becoming available on PC, with some more titles we all expected to be on PC having "TBD" StoreIDs. GT7's entry didn't have even that - God of War did (TBD, at that time), but God of War Ragnarok didn't either; Horizon Zero Dawn did, Horizon Forbidden West didn't.

That all means there's no basis for which to claim GT7 is in development for PC from the "Nvidia Leak" alone.

Gran Turismo 7 Appears on Nvidia GeForce Now Leak (Updated)

Update: Nvidia has responded to the leak, stating that the list of titles on the platform is "used only for internal tracking and testing", and that the inclusion of any title "is neither confirmation nor an announcement of any game". A video posted to YouTube this weekend appears to show Gran Tu

www.gtplanet.net

 

[mynameis66]

LOL. Acquaplaning like mad. I typically use the GrB Toyota 86 (serious fun, but gear it to 330 km/h). I use softs, and occasionally get caught out by torrential rain. I think my record must be about 10 collisions with roadside barriers down Mulsanne :-)

I used the Alfa 155 on FM6,tops out at 170mph on the long straight,pitted at the end of lap 4 for fuel and IM,but the rain didnt really amount to anything.Managed to maintain a 10 sec gap despite being on inters,finished 8 secs in front of second place.31mins total.This was on easy difficulty,not tried the other difficultys yet,tried it again but it proper rained after coming out from pits,finished 35 secs ahaead of second place,a fun race.This and sardegna are my new grinds. 👍

 

[FerrariF40]

GT7 for PC with car-sell-mod, FFB-improvement-addon and credit-trainer would have been nice

 

[Nathan88]

It was an internal database of the Nvidia GeForce Now software that essentially contained a complete storefront scrape of every developer game store - including Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Steam, Epic, GOG, and pretty much everything else you can think of. GT7's on there because it was in the PSN Store.

Even in that context, the list contained StoreIDs for all the various titles that were already available on PC or becoming available on PC, with some more titles we all expected to be on PC having "TBD" StoreIDs. GT7's entry didn't have even that - God of War did (TBD, at that time), but God of War Ragnarok didn't either; Horizon Zero Dawn did, Horizon Forbidden West didn't.

That all means there's no basis for which to claim GT7 is in development for PC from the "Nvidia Leak" alone.

Gran Turismo 7 Appears on Nvidia GeForce Now Leak (Updated)

Update: Nvidia has responded to the leak, stating that the list of titles on the platform is "used only for internal tracking and testing", and that the inclusion of any title "is neither confirmation nor an announcement of any game". A video posted to YouTube this weekend appears to show Gran Tu

www.gtplanet.net

The “Nvidia Leak” was a very specific list of PlayStation titles. With notable absentees like Spider-Man.

Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Edition is due in the coming weeks on PC. This specific edition hadn’t been announced for PS5 when the “leak” happened. Returnal is now showing up on SteamDB although it hasn’t yet been officially announced.

• Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Edition = ✓
• HELLDIVERS 2 = X
• Horizon Forbidden West = X
• GT7 = X
• Déraciné = X
• God of War = ✓
• Returnal = ✓
• Demon Souls = X
• Ratchet and Clank (no specified game) = X
• Sackboy: A Big Adventure = X
• Ghost of Tsushima = X
• (NO BLOODBORNE, SPIDER MAN OR LAST OF US, Last Guardian, Gravity Rush etc unless listed above) = XXXXXXXXX

There where a handful of Nintendo titles on the list. But these where related to an Nvidia Shield deal for Wii titles in China. So it wasn’t a straight case of listing everything on Steam, PSN, XBL, Nintendo etc.

Both Alex & John have spoken of first hand knowledge about Sackboy being in development for PC. With further details now coming out about other PC ports.

Sony are expecting PC revenue to increase from $80m to $300m by the end of FY22. This does not include revenue from Destiny. Right now they have one official PC release scheduled, the aforementioned Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Edition.

At this point the biggest unknown is when said titles will be announced.

 

[Famine]

So it wasn’t a straight case of listing everything on Steam, PSN, XBL, Nintendo etc.

I didn't say it was. I said it was a "scrape".

That would naturally include dozens of titles in each storefront with landing pages hidden from public view.

Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Edition is due in the coming weeks on PC. This specific edition hadn’t been announced for PS5 when the “leak” happened.

But it was on the Nvidia GeForce Now list with a TBA StoreID, so clearly scraped. That means it probably had a hidden landing page on at least a PC storefront, if not at least one regional PS Store site at the time.

With notable absentees like Spider-Man.

Yep. No idea why this and others weren't on the list - but that doesn't have any implications for titles that were on the list.

• Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Edition = ✓
• HELLDIVERS 2 = X
• Horizon Forbidden West = X
• GT7 = X
• Déraciné = X
• God of War = ✓
• Returnal = ✓
• Demon Souls = X
• Ratchet and Clank (no specified game) = X
• Sackboy: A Big Adventure = X
• Ghost of Tsushima = X
• (NO BLOODBORNE, SPIDER MAN OR LAST OF US, Last Guardian, Gravity Rush etc unless listed above) = XXXXXXXXX

I don't know what these ticks and crosses mean, but it looks like these are titles that were in the "leak" that either have (tick) or don't have (cross) a confirmed PC release yet.

If that's the case, it'd only be relevant if the StoreID was also listed - valid IDs and TBAs were titles with known PC releases or development, or strongly suspected development, and blank or Unknown were those without any known plans for a PC release.

Consequently, I'd be willing to bet that all the current ticks had a valid ID number or "TBA", some of the crosses had a TBA, and the remaining crosses were Unknown or blank.

GT7 of course had "UNKNOWN" as a StoreID, as a title with no known PC development, and sits on that list with a cross.

Thus, to repeat, there is no basis for which to claim GT7 is in development for PC from the "Nvidia Leak" alone. Of course people can believe otherwise if they wish, and the fact it didn't have a valid StoreID doesn't mean it isn't coming to PC, it just means that the "Nvidia Leak" isn't evidence that it will.

 

[DJFridge]

LOL. Acquaplaning like mad. I typically use the GrB Toyota 86 (serious fun, but gear it to 330 km/h). I use softs, and occasionally get caught out by torrential rain. I think my record must be about 10 collisions with roadside barriers down Mulsanne :-)

I haven't tried the 86, might give it a go. I've got a 700PP tune for the Gr3 NSX which isn't bad, and a 680ish tune for the Gr4 BMW. I'm currently trying a 700PP tuned up M3 (the 2009 version) but I can't get more than two laps out of it, even with the fuel mix set to 6. That third pitstop kills me every time, my lunchtime race just now I actually finished while in the pits! I think I need to try something lighter and less thirsty, which is a shame because the M3 handles really nicely.
Any ideas?

I used the Alfa 155 on FM6,tops out at 170mph on the long straight,pitted at the end of lap 4 for fuel and IM,but the rain didnt really amount to anything.Managed to maintain a 10 sec gap despite being on inters,finished 8 secs in front of second place.31mins total.This was on easy difficulty,not tried the other difficultys yet,tried it again but it proper rained after coming out from pits,finished 35 secs ahaead of second place,a fun race.This and sardegna are my new grinds. 👍

Oh, I like the 155 as an idea. I love touring cars and even tried to wangle a 155 as a company car once (didn't manage), so when it was first in Haggerty's I put it on the wish list, hoping I'd have enough money when it came round again. I like the way it handles but I'd discounted for this race it because it looked a bit underpowered against the modern Gr4 cars. I'll have to check what difficulty I'm on though. I think it's the middle one, not quite sure how to change it tbh.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I'll have to check what difficulty I'm on though. I think it's the middle one, not quite sure how to change it tbh.

It's in the Options menu, top left in the home screen. You can flip between them pretty easily. I've had mine set to Hard from the start.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

Oh, I like the 155 as an idea. I love touring cars and even tried to wangle a 155 as a company car once (didn't manage), so when it was first in Haggerty's I put it on the wish list, hoping I'd have enough money when it came round again. I like the way it handles but I'd discounted for this race it because it looked a bit underpowered against the modern Gr4 cars. I'll have to check what difficulty I'm on though. I think it's the middle one, not quite sure how to change it tbh.

The Alfa 155 has been an easy win for the Le Mans 30 min 700PP race. Even in stock form. HOWEVER, I used it yesterday (first time since post-update) and only finished 4th. That's never happened before, and I didn't mess up at all. The AI seems to have become smarter, and managed to only pit once over 7 laps. This is on the "hard" game setting. I'll try again to see if it was some sort of fluke.

 

[NICKname]

"Sì" alle gare in circuito - RSI

La Svizzera ha deciso di stralciare il divieto per le gare in circuito risalente al 1955, anno del grave incidente di Le Mans costato la vita ad oltre 80 persone

www.rsi.ch

Switzerland has apparently lifted their ban on circuit racing. Deep Forest is now realistic again.

 

[Techlet]

Imagine the embarrassment of GT7 having to measure up against real sims on PC...

 

[Tired Tyres]

Imagine the embarrassment of GT7 having to measure up against real sims on PC...

Forza Motorsport 7 ring any bells?

 

[Silver Arrows]

Imagine the embarrassment of GT7 having to measure up against real sims on PC...

The thing is, GT7 doesn't have to.

The issue is, GT7 offers very little for those types (who I guarantee either grew up playing GT, or at least have some experience with it) to come back to the game other then as a cursory glance. Why would I come and spend any significant time with GT7 when the game is very clearly lacking in terms of content, the core racing experience hasn't changed in a decade plus, and what is there that could be considered good is constantly kneecapped with bad design decisions? Why wouldn't I stay with Automobilista, PCARS or AC?

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

Imagine the embarrassment of GT7 having to measure up against real sims on PC...

Imagine using the word sim in your title and not:

-Having Pre and post race inspections
-Have any sort of "groove" on track that adjusts as the race goes on
-Have any sort of Adjustments made during pitstops
-Literally not Iracing

But these are all pipedreams.

 

[Techlet]

Forza Motorsport 7 ring any bells?

A dead game that's not available for purchase.

 

[05XR8]

@WolfpackS2k

Alfa 155 has been an easy win for the Le Mans 30 min 700PP race. Even in stock form. HOWEVER, I used it yesterday (first time since post-update) and only finished 4th. That's never happened before, and I didn't mess up at all. The AI seems to have become smarter, and managed to only pit once over 7 laps. This is on the "hard" game setting. I'll try again to see if it was some sort of fluke.

I mentioned in the undocumented thread, the AI have been reprogrammed to go faster through the final chicane. They used to nearly stop. Hence, faster lap times.
Now, they can't be divebomed/overtaken there. Still not a hiccup though.

I've also been having the Viper in the lead lately. The C7 falls to about 4th. When the C7 is in the lead, it'll do 4:13s. I stay Fuel 1 with some lifting. Pitting with the leaders still gets me ahead for the second pit stop.

The Huracan uses to be the one stop car to look for, by it's not been a factor in my races, since the update.

 

[Artremis]

GT7 will not come to PC. Why should it.

It was on the database from the Nvidia Geforce Now leak, 99% chance it's coming.

 

[DefNotJake]

The thing is, GT7 doesn't have to.

The issue is, GT7 offers very little for those types (who I guarantee either grew up playing GT, or at least have some experience with it) to come back to the game other then as a cursory glance. Why would I come and spend any significant time with GT7 when the game is very clearly lacking in terms of content, the core racing experience hasn't changed in a decade plus, and what is there that could be considered good is constantly kneecapped with bad design decisions? Why wouldn't I stay with Automobilista, PCARS or AC?

I would literally not be playing GT if it was in anywhere close to the realism of AC or Automobilista. If the game continues farther down the path of needing a wheel to be competitive, I'm not touching the game again... because I'll be playing rFactor or iRacing instead. Why waste my time with a poor-mans simulator, when I can just go play the better ones instead? I play GT to sit on the couch with a controller, and have fun with my buddies on PSN.

I'd rather Gran Turismo lead the way with sim-cade games, than try and entertain this weird fantasy people have with Gran Turismo one day being a hardcore simulator. (Most of the people who want this, have never actually played a real simulator before.)

GT can be successful on PC just like Horizon is.

 

[CodeRedR51]

It was on the database from the Nvidia Geforce Now leak, 99% chance it's coming.

You should read up a few comments...

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I would literally not be playing GT if it was in anywhere close to the realism of AC or Automobilista. If the game continues farther down the path of needing a wheel to be competitive, I'm not touching the game again... because I'll be playing rFactor or iRacing instead. Why waste my time with a poor-mans simulator, when I can just go play the better ones instead? I play GT to sit on the couch with a controller, and have fun with my buddies on PSN.

I'd rather Gran Turismo lead the way with sim-cade games, than try and entertain this weird fantasy people have with Gran Turismo one day being a hardcore simulator. (Most of the people who want this, have never actually played a real simulator before.)

GT can be successful on PC just like Horizon is.

IMO GT7 is one of the best games ever made to be played on a controller. Which by default makes it one of the best driving/racing games ever made from a gameplay perspective. The only thing that comes close are the Forzas, but they're held back by the inferior Xbox controller (compared to the DualSense). FM7 is worse and FH5 is comparable. F1 is a bit unwieldy on a controller.

Hardcore sims have a much more limited public than people on the internet would like to admit and many of them have focused car lists not on the same level as GT's despite GT7's obvious gaps.

Personally I would not like to see GT7 coming to PC due to the possibility of cheats, but money talks and, as the Xbox Series has shown, PC and console target different demographics.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I play GT to sit on the couch with a controller, and have fun with my buddies on PSN.

One of these topics that GT7 is currently doing very poorly at, and actively driving away people who want to do that.

than try and entertain this weird fantasy people have with Gran Turismo one day being a hardcore simulator.

This isn't an issue of trying to entertain weird fantasies. GT literally cannot decide where it wants to go. It hasn't known since GT5, and it's only now that Polyphony (and specifically, Kaz's) inaction in trying to fix any of the problems and issues the series has had is actively hurting it to the point where people are suggesting these things.

Which by default makes it one of the best driving/racing games ever made from a gameplay perspective.

Ah yes, the game where it had the major issue of driver focused, planted sports cars like a Miata and a GT86 snap oversteering like a Shelby Cobra is well deserving of this honor.

The only thing that comes close are the Forzas, but they're held back by the inferior Xbox controller (compared to the DualSense).

Insanely subjective.

Personally I would not like to see GT7 coming to PC due to the possibility of cheats

Do you seriously think that people are going to be cheating on Sport Mode daily races, and even if they were cheating, they wouldn't be plainly obvious, and that Polyphony wouldn't be forced by necessity to invest in anti-cheat in that case?

 

[WanganDream]

Personally I would not like to see GT7 coming to PC due to the possibility of cheats, but money talks and, as the Xbox Series has shown, PC and console target different demographics.

As a Forza player, I deeply agree with your post.
Of course, not all PC players are toxic, the PC release of Forza brought in more players and many good people.
But obviously since FH3, Forza cheaters and cheating tools have increased. FH5 in particular has been the worst disaster yet, partly because PG's anti-cheater measures don't seem as aggressive as other AAA games.

I don't expect GT7 to be released on PC, but still GT should be a Playstation only title.

 

[Artremis]

You should read up a few comments...

Lol I missed that. In any case, one of the Digital Foundry guys said today or yesterday that he'd heard GT7 is in active development for PC. That + being on the Nvidia list is pretty solid imo.

 

[DJFridge]

I mentioned in the undocumented thread, the AI have been reprogrammed to go faster through the final chicane. They used to nearly stop. Hence, faster lap times.
Now, they can't be divebomed/overtaken there. Still not a hiccup though.

I've also been having the Viper in the lead lately. The C7 falls to about 4th. When the C7 is in the lead, it'll do 4:13s. I stay Fuel 1 with some lifting. Pitting with the leaders still gets me ahead for the second pit stop.

The Huracan uses to be the one stop car to look for, by it's not been a factor in my races, since the update.

Used the Alfa on this race for the first time this evening. Fuel 6 for the whole race. TBF I got a bit lucky, the rain didn't hit until halfway through lap 3, so I could pit for fuel and IMs. Enough fuel on 6 to finish without pitting again and, after just one very wet lap, by finding every wet bit of track possible I could nurse the IMs for the remaining 3 laps. Finished 30 seconds clear in the end.

This race is definitely my favourite grind. The potential of over 800K for half an hour and, even if it goes a bit pear shaped, still at least 100k and a fun race.

 

[O604]

Music video to promote upcoming Japanese film Alive Hoon. Basic story - GT player becomes Formula Drift driver.

 

[happycorey]

Pikes Peak still has not appeared if Sony and PD are not using this place only to sit their asses on it then perhaps its best they give it up.

Never seen such a blatant waste of a licence. Anti consumer while rally games themselves miss out on it.

Use the 🤬🤬🤬 thing

This is kind of relevant because I hadn't noticed it until the other day sorting by Car Type. Pikes Peak is listed as a car type, and similarly the Isle of Mann Subaru, doesn't have it's own selection.

 

[Nathan88]

Imagine the embarrassment of GT7 having to measure up against real sims on PC...

Which PC sims would they be? Because each community is split and have very different opinions on the competition.

ACC fans complain about AMS2’s so called simplified physics. iRacing fans think that title is top of the tree. While AC is now a modding platform - where it’s very much quantity over quality. With many of the most popular AC mods being road & tuner cars.

In my experience anyone who enjoys PC sims will enjoy GT7. Which is why we’ve seen a number of PC sim players come over. Often because they enjoy the convenience of Daily Races.

So yeah, I’d expect GT7 to be a huge hit on PC. I’d pick it up out of curiosity.

Why would I come and spend any significant time with GT7 when the game is very clearly lacking in terms of content, the core racing experience hasn't changed in a decade plus, and what is there that could be considered good is constantly kneecapped with bad design decisions? Why wouldn't I stay with Automobilista, PCARS or AC?

Just had a quick look at SteamDB and Automobilista 2 has 233 players, with a 24hr peak of 620. PCars2 has 424 players. ACC fairs better with 1500 players and a 5k peak. AC is best of all, thanks to modding, with 6k players and 11k peak.

So it’s a very mixed bag with the community split between hardcore racers and the modding scene.

 

[Nowax]

A dead game that's not available for purchase.

Even when the game was at its peak, FM7 didn't need to compete with other sims. If GT launches on PC, which is really unlikely to happen, I think the game needs to be worried about Assetto Corsa, due to its mods.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

This is kind of relevant because I hadn't noticed it until the other day sorting by Car Type. Pikes Peak is listed as a car type, and similarly the Isle of Mann Subaru, doesn't have it's own selection.

That's the main bit of evidence I have as a reason to hope for a Pikes Peak update (if we're extremely lucky, at the end of this month to coincide with the PPIHC on the 26th)

As for other cars that may be added to that category, probably some cars that (a picture of) "Monster" Tajima could tell us about at the Café...

There's a chance none of this gets added at all, of course, and also a chance that PD add more Pikes Peak cars but not the road, as in GT6. As I don't like either of these scenarios, I'll pretend to expect a 13th Lago Maggiore layout first so that I can be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

That's the main bit of evidence I have as a reason to hope for a Pikes Peak update (if we're extremely lucky, at the end of this month to coincide with the PPIHC on the 26th)

As for other cars that may be added to that category, probably some cars that (a picture of) "Monster" Tajima could tell us about at the Café...

There's a chance none of this gets added at all, of course, and also a chance that PD add more Pikes Peak cars but not the road, as in GT6. As I don't like either of these scenarios, I'll pretend to expect a 13th Lago Maggiore layout first so that I can be pleasantly surprised.

There's that Tesla Hill climb car that was teased, too.

Honestly tho, that Escudo Pikes Peak from GT2, but I doubt that's coming.

 

[Nathan88]

That's the main bit of evidence I have as a reason to hope for a Pikes Peak update (if we're extremely lucky, at the end of this month to coincide with the PPIHC on the 26th)

As for other cars that may be added to that category, probably some cars that (a picture of) "Monster" Tajima could tell us about at the Café...

There's a chance none of this gets added at all, of course, and also a chance that PD add more Pikes Peak cars but not the road, as in GT6. As I don't like either of these scenarios, I'll pretend to expect a 13th Lago Maggiore layout first so that I can be pleasantly surprised.

There are Pikes Peak scapes that have been used in the Suzuki VGT PR photos.

I could see Pikes Peak being a paid DLC. IMO it’s too big an undertaking to be part of the free monthly line-up. We’ve see with the Hamilton DLC Sony will offer paid DLC.

GT7 is better positioned for this DLC rollout given we’re at the start of the generation.