Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[BigSarj]

Are they really?There are quite a few examples of big sucessiful games with MTX pay to win that survived and sold well,Battlefront 2 and GTA Online come to mind.

I can't speak for Battlefront but GTA doesn't really fall into the category of a competitive type of game. Balance isn't really necessary and pay to win is par for the course. If Factions goes down that road, it may not last very long. Maybe the suits will have done the math and make the profitable decision but I don't see how anything outside of cosmetics being mtx.

Though GT7's monetization isn't pay to win (now), it's certainly left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and has led to PR statements having to have been made. Not a great look.

 

[Imari]

If they ruin TLoU Factions with pay to win BS, Sony will be in for a rude awakening. The average multiplayer enjoyer is far more savvy than they were ten years ago.

I think we're past the peak of most developers trying to shoehorn MTX and lootboxes into everything. ActiBlizz/EA/T2 are still expected to jam them into anything and everything, but I feel like since 2017/2018-ish most developers have chilled out on it. Either it's a designed part of the way that the game is monetised (ie. F2P games) or it's cosmetics and non-P2W stuff or it's just nothing. They mostly seem to have realised that just bending customers over and squeezing them for every last penny isn't a good long term business plan.

I can't speak for Battlefront but GTA doesn't really fall into the category of a competitive type of game.

GTA is more like an MMO than anything. P2W is not a death sentence in MMOs, although it usually doesn't go super well.

GTA is also a behemoth. The game has sold something like 170 million copies, and the sheer scale of that means that they can get away with all sort of bollocks that might crush smaller games. I wouldn't assume that just because GTA seems to be getting away with something, that it's either a good idea or sustainable for "normal" games.

 

[syoboon]

リアルレースへの参加のチャンスも!? 「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」開催 - グランツーリスモ７ - グランツーリスモ・ドットコム

マツダは17日、『グランツーリスモ７』による日本国内限定のワンメイクレースシリーズ「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」の開催を発表しました。

t.co

Roadster NR-A…

 

[05XR8]

リアルレースへの参加のチャンスも!? 「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」開催 - グランツーリスモ７ - グランツーリスモ・ドットコム

マツダは17日、『グランツーリスモ７』による日本国内限定のワンメイクレースシリーズ「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」の開催を発表しました。

t.co

Roadster NR-A…

Beat me by one second.

 

[Auditore]

Reactions to Star Wars Battlefront 2 MTX were so negative that DICE immediately backtracked and the game missed sales expectations by a million copies near launch. The game's original MTX design never made it to the "real" launch date (the game had a 10 hour early access trial for a week before the full release)

Yes i know that,but the game still went on to sell 10 million copies, i used Battlefront as an example exactly because even with all the blowback it sold alot.
Doesn't mean it will work for every game but it's not a hard rule that MTX heavy games will always bomb

 

[Tetraturbo]

リアルレースへの参加のチャンスも!? 「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」開催 - グランツーリスモ７ - グランツーリスモ・ドットコム

マツダは17日、『グランツーリスモ７』による日本国内限定のワンメイクレースシリーズ「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」の開催を発表しました。

t.co

Roadster NR-A…

So PD chose the "track-focused" version of the Roadster, it's weird because it has the same 1.5 liter engine, even though the 2.0 has more power.

 

[The OG]

hopefully they add the sell cars option in the update

 

[alex511]

Month for month and again no touring car.

Please bring this beauty. Now.

 

[Nowax]

hopefully they add the sell cars option in the update

Keep your expectations low.

 

[nickf1gr]

Month for month and again no touring car.

Please bring this beauty. Now.

And Goodwood Festival of Speed track too!!!!

 

[Imari]

Yes i know that,but the game still went on to sell 10 million copies, i used Battlefront as an example exactly because even with all the blowback it sold alot.
Doesn't mean it will work for every game but it's not a hard rule that MTX heavy games will always bomb

Because they removed the vast majority of the egregious MTX and P2W silliness and turned it into a good game with a normal amount of cosmetics. At that point it's not really a MTX heavy game any more, and so yeah, it did pretty good. The microtransactions were crippling a really decent game.

There's never a hard rule around these sort of things, but games with egregious and abusive MTX schemes are generally received poorly. They might make a lot of money, but so do all sorts of things that we generally don't deem to be desirable. Stuff like Diablo Immortal I'm sure made a whole lot of money, but for most people it's just another reason to hate ActiBlizz.

I think there was a period of about a decade there where a lot of companies assigned very, very little value to the goodwill of their customers. That's still the case sometimes, but I think more and more companies are seeing that as a strategy that isn't necessarily the best for the business long term. And abusively designed MTX are a big part of that.

 

[MIE1992]

I feel like the MTXes in most GT games that’ve included them are more so a way of fulfilling some sort of mandate by SCI, rather than something thought up by PD. Mostly because they’re seldom a good investment, as far as I’m concerned.

It’s a smart move for PD to have seemingly learned its lesson from GT5, and has made all additional cars/tracks available to everybody in subsequent titles, so I gotta commend them for that, at least.

If PD/SCI really wanted me to buy add-ons, I want interesting experiences that can’t impact online play at all, like the Lewis Hamilton Challenge. (Sans the exclusive Mercedes-AMG VGT LH44 Edition, which isn’t in GT7.)

On that note, I’m not sure what GT7 plans to do with the LH partnership, since he’s still a brand in Brand Central. Maybe we could get another LH Challenge - one that’s a bit more forgiving this time, haha! I got all golds on the GTS one, and even a few diamonds, but getting all diamonds seemed well beyond my skill level.

It could even feature some of the additional Mercedes-AMG cars that’re in GT7 and not Sport, like either the GT R or the GT Black Series. Or maybe even a lap at Le Mans using the CLK-LM.

And speaking of AMG, I hope we get the AMG-tuned Galant, haha! Now, wouldn’t that be something?

 

[Obelisk]

That MX5 NR-A got confirmed if the Mazda Spirit Racing cup announcement is anything to go by.

 

[Nathan88]

Hermen Hulst is currently in Japan. I assume he is touring 1st Party studios & partners. As he has already done in Europe & US.

Kojima posted a photo today.



Hermen met Kaz back in April. But I believe this was at Guerrilla’s new HQ in Amsterdam.

 

[MIE1992]

I feel that, among other things, we desperately need more French cars. Specifically the following:

Alpine A310
(Alpine LMDh racer for Gr.1, though I don't think it's been truly revealed yet.)
Alpine A110 GT4

Citroen 2CV
Citroen C4
Citroen C4 WRC (Namely, the one we were assigned to use for the Loeb missions in GT5.)
Citroen DS
Citroen SM

Peugeot 106 S13
Peugeot 205 T16 (Road car ver.)
Peugeot 207 GTi
Peugeot 905 Evo 1 Bis LM (Gr.1)
Peugeot RCZ '10 (We have a face-lifted '15 version, which is otherwise very welcome in my book.)

Renault R5 Turbo Rally Car
Renault Megane R.S. '08
Renault Espace F1
Renault Twingo '93

Also, if we could have the Cisitalia 202 GT, I'd be so happy. I actually got to see it in-person during a visit to the MoMA almost exactly a year ago, to the month. One of Pininfarina's finest designs, and that's saying a lot, considering in their 90-plus years of existence, I've never really seen a truly bad design from them.

 

[DivitLad]

Glad too see the 250gto in Hagerty's, just 10 mill too grind at tokyo and le mans, not so much a grind as they are easy wins and can just take it easy, but do tend to drift off n think of other things and forget my braking point going into turn 1 at tokyo especially and smash the car into the wall lol, then it just be them last 3 ancient 20 mill cars and price of new cars this week.

 

[Arkseven]

Let there be textures!

No idea what happened. In the gif I was kinda near the wall, so I guess the game glitched out thinking the camera was out of bounds? In the second pic though, I was just using one of fixed camera views.

 

[Techlet]

I assume the only reason we're getting 4 cars this update is because of the Mazda Spriting Racing Cup and that 4 or more cars per update won't actually become a new pattern for PD.

 

[Auditore]

Let there be textures!

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No idea what happened. In the gif I was kinda near the wall, so I guess the game glitched out thinking the camera was out of bounds? In the second pic though, I was just using one of fixed camera views.

Lol,reminds me of DLC cars in Forza horizon 1, if you race against someone with a DLC car and you haven't bought the DLC it shows up on multiplayer like your pic

 

[Bazool]

リアルレースへの参加のチャンスも!? 「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」開催 - グランツーリスモ７ - グランツーリスモ・ドットコム

マツダは17日、『グランツーリスモ７』による日本国内限定のワンメイクレースシリーズ「MAZDA SPIRIT RACING GT CUP 2022」の開催を発表しました。

t.co

Roadster NR-A…

clear the road I'm entering

 

[MIE1992]

I assume the only reason we're getting 4 cars this update is because of the Mazda Spirit Racing Cup and that 4 or more cars per update won't actually become a new pattern for PD.

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Four cars is four cars. Personally, I'm hoping PD will throw us at least one curveball in giving us an update featuring a car (or even two or three) not from the famed datamine list.

 

[RACECAR]

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Four cars is four cars. Personally, I'm hoping PD will throw us at least one curveball in giving us an update featuring a car (or even two or three) not from the famed datamine list.

Isn't that technically what they did with the previous update? None of the cars from the Datamine list were in it from what I recall.

 

[05XR8]

Thought I saw the Merak in the datamine list. Well, the one with the lowercase entries.

 

[GTvsForza]

Let there be textures!

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No idea what happened. In the gif I was kinda near the wall, so I guess the game glitched out thinking the camera was out of bounds? In the second pic though, I was just using one of fixed camera views.

It's like the vantablack bug you can sometimes get in FH5. I believe it was patched, but you can still pull it off with the decal material slider.

 

[MonoTonouS]

So your examples for current Sony policy are from 2013, 2014 and 2016? Sure. Seems legit.

I mean, if there were just a few games with loot boxes over the better part of a decade one might reasonably assume that it was individual developers making those decisions. But you've definitely established that games released by Sony consistently include microtransactions and other money grubbing tactics, so it's almost certainly their call that is the influencing factor here. It's not like SIE has released hundreds of games since 2013.

Nobody thinks Sony is a saint, but it's highly unlikely they're to blame for the GT7 MTX when Polyphony has been trying to work microtransactions into their games for the better part of two decades.

Again, sony hasn't published a major MP game since Uncharted 4 and MLB, Every single major MP game has MTX for money, show me which one doesn't that's not a singleplayer only game and had REAL multiplayer, not some online connectivity features. Troll man's own admittance, MLB is plagued with MTX and that's literally the only sony AAA with MP aside from demon souls (which has a copy-paste MP from the ps3 version) / GT7 on the ps5 . The only current sony MP game is Ghost of Tsushima, and that game had some predatory upgrade paths to the ps5 so their goodwill of having a basic add-on MP that was genuinely basic to the bone just goes to show you that sony is trying to milk gamers.
Let's all be smart and single out polyphony when EVERY single sony studio with online MP has this /s

 

[PSN offapple]

It might be "beside the point", but does anyone actually buy the GT7 microtransactions? Personally I don't, and I don't really feel it obstructs me in any way. I'd only have an issue if it escalated to a point where it gives you an advantage that can't be got via gameplay (pay to win). My guess is that it's this hypothetical escalation that people are more concerned about, but obviously I don't speak for anyone besides myself.

 

[Touring Mars]

The price of MTX in GT7 remains my biggest problem with the game, and it is compounded by the stingy in-game economy making Cr. quite hard to come by.

IMHO, the MTX in GT7 are an embarrassment and are outrageously over-priced - even a 10-fold reduction in price of their best value pack (2 million Cr.) would still be too expensive for me - for example, in order to buy a 10 mllion Cr. car using MTX-bought Cr. alone, that one car would cost an absurd £80. I wouldn't even pay £8 for one car in GT7, ergo I reckon MTX should be at the very least 20 times cheaper than they are. As they stand (and always have since they launched), they are borderline criminal IMHO.

It actually saddens me to think of well-meaning parents, grandparents, aunties and uncles the world over buying their loved ones PS vouchers, only for them to blow it on something like this.

And this is coming from someone who otherwise loves the game. But that little 'money' icon on the main screen that leads you to the PS Store where you can buy MTX is a blight on an otherwise excellent and value for money game. To paraphrase @Famine, it's a bit like being invited to a banquet dinner in a 5-star hotel, but someone's taken a dump on hors d'oeuvres.

 

[Islaygaz]

It might be "beside the point", but does anyone actually buy the GT7 microtransactions? Personally I don't, and I don't really feel it obstructs me in any way. I'd only have an issue if it escalated to a point where it gives you an advantage that can't be got via gameplay (pay to win). My guess is that it's this hypothetical escalation that people are more concerned about, but obviously I don't speak for anyone besides myself.

Haven’t yet, but I’m not completely opposed to buying them at some point in the future

 

[Boxster]

It might be "beside the point", but does anyone actually buy the GT7 microtransactions? Personally I don't, and I don't really feel it obstructs me in any way. I'd only have an issue if it escalated to a point where it gives you an advantage that can't be got via gameplay (pay to win). My guess is that it's this hypothetical escalation that people are more concerned about, but obviously I don't speak for anyone besides myself.

I will not buy MTX out of principle.

 

[Samus]

It might be "beside the point", but does anyone actually buy the GT7 microtransactions? Personally I don't, and I don't really feel it obstructs me in any way. I'd only have an issue if it escalated to a point where it gives you an advantage that can't be got via gameplay (pay to win). My guess is that it's this hypothetical escalation that people are more concerned about, but obviously I don't speak for anyone besides myself.

Sadly many do, there are countless examples dotted around the internet of people saying they bought them. Like this guy



..and these are the exact kind of people PD are targetting, those who can afford to keep buying them over and over. They're not interested in you or I buying a couple of them for $2 once.