Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Lomic]

Do you think we will have a new update with content in February or will it be in March?

At least us plebs will be able to buy the Bulgari, it may serve as an update 😅 I won't even be surprised.

 

[BrunusCL82]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo '19 and Nissan GT-R GT500 Calsonic '19 coming to GT7?

Polyphony sound capture, images presented at CEDEC 2023, last November.

［CEDEC＋KYUSHU］「『グランツーリスモ７』におけるサウンド制作手法」聴講レポート。シリーズのサウンドの歴史を振り返り，最新作の表現や技術を解説

2023年11月25日に開催された「CEDEC＋KYUSHU 2023」にて，「『グランツーリスモ７』におけるサウンド制作手法」と題された講演が行われた。シリーズにおけるサウンド制作の歴史を振り返り…

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[RobertHammer]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo '19 and Nissan GT-R GT500 Calsonic '19 coming to GT7?
Polyphony sound capture, images presented at CEDEC 2023, last November.

That Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo rumour was true afterall

 

[BrunusCL82]

That Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo rumour was true afterall

I hope so.

The curiosity remains about its categorization. Gr.3, Gr.4 or N?

I couldn't identify the white car with racing decals. It looks to me like some Super GT car, maybe a Lexus GT 500. The red car is notably a Mustang roadster.

 

[RobertHammer]

I hope so.

The curiosity remains about its categorization. Gr.3, Gr.4 or N?

I couldn't identify the white car with racing decals. It looks to me like some Super GT car, maybe a Lexus GT 500. The red car is notably a Mustang roadster.

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo is most likely a Gr.3 car since the GT3 car and this are close enough - unless PD decides to be one make car?

that Au car is the Lexus RC F GT500 '16 - judging by the livery

 

[PSN offapple]

It may also be the case that the sound may not be for that specific car. Wasn't there a Pagani in-game that got its sound from another Pagani model IRL?

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

For the Ferrari, that'll be nice to see a newer Ferrari GT race car coming to GT7 as I find the fact they kept using the 458 GT3 for Gr.3 only to be a bit odd. Don't know when or if that car will come though. If it's coming to GT7, we may have to wait a while for it.

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Off-topic, I decided a while ago to count all of the events in GT7 to see how many single-player events the game has.

If you count GT World, driving missions (individually), and circuit experiences; you get at the moment 154 single player events. I also in comparison counted how many single-player events exist in GT4; counting the every single driving mission, the events in each Hall, Special Condition, and even coffee breaks (since they're technically not counted towards the license tests). I got a total of 182 events.

So, based on that; GT7 is only 28 events short of Gran Turismo 4's career mode length in just counting the events. Though if I counted sets of driving missions instead of individual missions each as separate events; GT7 would then have 105 events in total (7 mission sets). And GT4 would have 153 events (5 mission sets).

With that said, GT7 in pure event count now isn't too bad in raw event count still. However, the issue is that a good chunk of the game's single-player experience is focused on the Circuit Experiences since there's 48 of those out of the total event counts.. Which feels like additional license tests to me.

GT7 just counting single player races and championship events just has 50, 58 if you count the endurance missions. Though those are just 1 and done events since you can't win money from those again. GT4 in comparison has 143 events that focus on actual racing including 16 endurance events where you can earn money and prize cars from again even after completing them.

 

[Kedmasterz]

How do you get that number of 143 in GT4 ?

I’ m currently trying to transpose and adapt the GT4 career to GT7 Freerace and I’ve already 400+ individual races. Whereas in GT7 we are around 200 I believe.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

How do you get that number of 143 in GT4 ?

I counted every single event where you race against the A.I.. All special condition events, all regional halls, all leagues (beginner, professional, extreme), endurance hall, and the one-make events.

GT4 has 49 one-make events, 24 league events, 21 regional events, 33 Special Condition, and 16 endurance races. That amounts to 143 events. I count endurance races as their own thing since they're a challenge in themselves.

I didn't count every individual race though as I was just too lazy to do that.

 

[Kedmasterz]

Ok I see ; by counting individual races you can see that the gap between GT4 and GT7 is even larger.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Ok I see ; by counting individual races you can see that the gap between GT4 and GT7 is even larger.

Yup, it indeed does look that way. Holy cow.

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If I were to guess now in retrospect, I'm thinking Polyphony Digital expected the circuit experience challenges to compensate for the lack of career events. Plus the custom race mode, which is a flawed approach to a career in my opinion.

Custom race is cool, but should not be treated as a replacement for anything and only as a bonus.

 

[05XR8]

I’d think it’s part due to lack of attention for newer players. The hour long races in this game just have weaker payouts. However, I just can see new players sticking it out for nine hours at Tsukuba, in an MX-5. I could probably do it, but it’s a different car culture today than the GT4 era.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

...Will we ever get 140+ events/400+ races full of variety again? That is the real question here.

'Cause Kaz doesn't seem to want to do this type of massive career mode since GT5. =/

 

[MroczMR]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo '19 and Nissan GT-R GT500 Calsonic '19 coming to GT7?
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Polyphony sound capture, images presented at CEDEC 2023, last November.

［CEDEC＋KYUSHU］「『グランツーリスモ７』におけるサウンド制作手法」聴講レポート。シリーズのサウンドの歴史を振り返り，最新作の表現や技術を解説

2023年11月25日に開催された「CEDEC＋KYUSHU 2023」にて，「『グランツーリスモ７』におけるサウンド制作手法」と題された講演が行われた。シリーズにおけるサウンド制作の歴史を振り返り…

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oh god! I am hyped! I hope we will get 488 GTE or GT3 tough. Challenge would be nice but it would not fit into group 3 in my opinion.

 

[05XR8]

Would it go the way of the R.S.01? It’s just sitting there in Brand Central for 500,000 Cr. Pit those two head to head.

 

[RobertHammer]

oh god! I am hyped! I hope we will get 488 GTE or GT3 tough. Challenge would be nice but it would not fit into group 3 in my opinion.

Honestly better than no 488 (there was a rumour about the GTE variant a while ago?) , even FM has the Challenge '17 not Evo as "GT" aswell the GTE but as i said above they are close enough just the Challange Evo is heavier but under Gr.3 BoP that is meaningless anyway

or it can be the 488 GTE variant but they recorded Challenge Evo sound instead? 🤔

 

[GTboyz]

I hope the Mustang is the coupe variant when it eventually comes to the game.

 

[MroczMR]

Honestly better than no 488 (there was a rumour about the GTE variant a while ago?) , even FM has the Challenge '17 not Evo as "GT" aswell the GTE but as i said above they are close enough just the Challange Evo is heavier but under Gr.3 BoP that is meaningless anyway

or it can be the 488 GTE variant but they recorded Challenge Evo sound instead? 🤔

I hope that is the case. Sound recording. But yeah… any 488 race car would be great.

 

[Nakano219]

...Will we ever get 140+ events/400+ races full of variety again? That is the real question here.

'Cause Kaz doesn't seem to want to do this type of massive career mode since GT5. =/

GT4 is an anomaly in terms of being 400+, so I very much doubt we'll get that many again. From my count, GT4 is 543, the next highest is GT3 at 337.

The entire rest of the series, barring GT1 and GT5* which are lower, are in the 200s-low 300s range. I have GT7 at 274, not including the limited time Special Event races.

*Not counting B-spec. GT5 A-spec is actually really barren when you go back and look at it, lots of events but a lot of those events only have 1 or 2 races in them.

 

[Famine]

GT4 is an anomaly in terms of being 400+, so I very much doubt we'll get that many again. From my count, GT4 is 543, the next highest is GT3 at 337.

The entire rest of the series, barring GT1 and GT5* which are lower, are in the 200s-low 300s range. I have GT7 at 274, not including the limited time Special Event races.

*Not counting B-spec. GT5 A-spec is actually really barren when you go back and look at it, lots of events but a lot of those events only have 1 or 2 races in them.

One of many reasons GT5 is at the very bottom of my list. In fact I nearly didn't buy it at all*...

GT4 on the other hand felt bloated (and GT5 carried, quite literally, some of that bloat and just ran with it) and at times disjointed.

From the couple of dozen races buried in the manufacturers (3,000cr for 3 laps of Tsukuba in a Subaru 360; where do I sign up!) to the ridiculous slogs like Formula GT (15 races averaging 70 minutes, 100k for a win and a 3m championship bonus...), there was a lot of not very good.

And lest we forget, GT4 still had no day/night cycles and six-car grids. Speaking as someone who repeatedly did the three 24-hour endurance races - with a whole five AI opponents and in perpetual daylight, for at most 1.2m credits) - myself... that just ain't it.

I'd take them in GT7 with weather, night, 15+ opponents, and quick resume. Except we don't have them...

It's part of why I always felt GT3 was better. The game was the right size; enough to do everything once before the next one came out without running out or having to make it a second 8hr-a-day job.

I've not completed everything in GT7 yet, but come the second anniversary I will have. That's about the right size too, although maybe a bit small (especially on The 39, which ends just as it gets started) and obviously too slow to payout for the value of the cars it wants (and logs, in two locations) you to get.

*In fact I actually didn't at launch... a friend sent me a copy as a gift!

 

[BrunusCL82]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo is most likely a Gr.3 car since the GT3 car and this are close enough - unless PD decides to be one make car?

that Au car is the Lexus RC F GT500 '16 - judging by the livery

So, I was researching about Challenge. The car is a street car with racing car elements, it even has two seats, like a track day car, in the style of a McLaren P1 GTR, Ford GT MKII, Pagani Zonda R, Porsche 911 GT2 RS Clubsport, etc. 488 Challenge Evo lap times are generally four seconds above the GT3 cars and four seconds below the GT4 cars.

Therefore, it's likely to be a one make car.

This does not mean that PDI will not be able to create events emulating the Ferrari Challenge races in World Circuits and Sport Mode.

 

[CTRL Garage]

So, I was researching about Challenge. The car is a street car with racing car elements, it even has two seats, like a track day car, in the style of a McLaren P1 GTR, Ford GT MKII, Pagani Zonda R, Porsche 911 GT2 RS Clubsport, etc. 488 Challenge Evo lap times are generally four seconds above the GT3 cars and four seconds below the GT4 cars.

Therefore, it's likely to be a one make car.

This does not mean that PDI will not be able to create events emulating the Ferrari Challenge races in World Circuits and Sport Mode.

it would most likely be BOP'd up to a Gr.3 standard so less weight and more power to make up the 4 secs

 

[MroczMR]

it would most likely be BOP'd up to a Gr.3 standard so less weight and more power to make up the 4 secs

Or it was just used for sound recording for GTE or GT3 car

However wouldn’t mind getting both GT3/GTE amd Challenge 488s xD

 

[ZevZoq]

... and obviously too slow to payout for the value of the cars it wants (and logs, in two locations) you to get.

So much this! Just ridiculous...

 

[tankuroded]

Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo '19 and Nissan GT-R GT500 Calsonic '19 coming to GT7?

Apparently the GT-R GT500 is actually the 2016 car - different team, same car.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

GT4 on the other hand felt bloated (and GT5 carried, quite literally, some of that bloat and just ran with it) and at times disjointed.

From the couple of dozen races buried in the manufacturers (3,000cr for 3 laps of Tsukuba in a Subaru 360; where do I sign up!) to the ridiculous slogs like Formula GT (15 races averaging 70 minutes, 100k for a win and a 3m championship bonus...), there was a lot of not very good.

You have a point there, I guess new GTs don't need to be that long if they keep making things a slog or doing simple 1-race events with slow cars.

It's part of why I always felt GT3 was better. The game was the right size; enough to do everything once before the next one came out without running out or having to make it a second 8hr-a-day job.

GT3 hit the sweet spot for me too, except that I think they professional mode events could've been shorter. I lose motivation to finish it everytime I get to that point.

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I mean, the issue with prizes and money payouts could also be fixed if PD just offered tickets for every event you complete post cafe, but they won't do that.

 

[Nakano219]

Special Conditions was always the biggest bloat offender for me in GT4.

The Tsukuba Wet races are interesting, but other than that, it's 20 copies of the same three 1v1 races against the same three car pools every time. It'd be completely over the top even if the rally physics in that game were good.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Special Conditions was always the biggest bloat offender for me in GT4.

The Tsukuba Wet races are interesting, but other than that, it's 20 copies of the same three 1v1 races against the same three car pools every time. It'd be completely over the top even if the rally physics in that game were good.

Part of me actually liked it that way to be honest, winning a duel race against a road going Gr.B car. Only to now have to take care of a Gr.A Rally Car from the 90s or 2000s. Then beat a supercar on a same track.

GT7 oddly enough does have multi-level races brought back, which is nice. But there's not enough types of them. Though with the lack of rally cars & courses; I guess repeating the special condition events wouldn't be doable right now.

 

[Dave A]

Part of me actually liked it that way to be honest, winning a duel race against a road going Gr.B car. Only to now have to take care of a Gr.A Rally Car from the 90s or 2000s. Then beat a supercar on a same track.

GT7 oddly enough does have multi-level races brought back, which is nice. But there's not enough types of them. Though with the lack of rally cars & courses; I guess repeating the special condition events wouldn't be doable right now.

The only cheat I apply to GT4 was to disable the penalty counter from the Special Conditions events, before I figured out how to do that, I disliked them immensely. But with the penalty counter disabled, I really like a number of those events.

As for which game has the best single player career mode, I would say it's GT3 for me too. It just had the right variety and balance of events and cars where everything felt like it could be used somewhere and had a purpose in the game.

GT4 had more events, and was great, but I felt there was a lot of content that didn't have much purpose, or felt disjointed. At times it was content for the sake of it. But I don't mind more events, in fact I'd love more events, they just should be well thought out and balanced to the economy and car list.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

The only cheat I apply to GT4 was to disable the penalty counter from the Special Conditions events, before I figured out how to dot that, I disliked them immensely. But with the penalty counter disabled, I really like a number of those events.

The penalty admit-ably is one of the things I disliked about Special Condition and also is part of why I dreaded doing the Citti d' Aria races. So much as touching a wall and your car is held back for 5 seconds, on a track with thin & tight city streets. That's the thing of nightmares.

GT4 had more events, and was great, but I felt there was a lot of content that didn't have much purpose, or felt disjointed. At times it was content for the sake of it. But I don't mind more events, in fact I'd love more events, they just should be well thought out and balanced to the economy and car list.

One thing that peeved me immediately about GT4 was how many events that didn't allow concept cars, in a game with a lot of concept cars. Also some of those concept cars couldn't be used in main-stage races period like the Toyota Motor Triathlon race car.

It was honestly weird things like that which made me prefer GT3 to 4, but I still enjoyed GT4's career mode regardless.