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Trouble is that they too would have to try and make a decent game first.
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I don't think so.
Firstly, the sport mode — the apple of PD's eye — is mostly built on the racing car stereotype. It is because of the sport mode that PD created four categories of racing cars (Gr.1 — Gr.4).
According to PD-Yamauchi, historically, it have always liked racing cars, to the point of even resorting to fictional models. What is the rational basis for believing that the PD would be abandoning the racing cars? I see exactly the opposite of your speculation.
PD is increasingly dedicated to GT racing cars, to the point of creating this revolutionary game design that debuted in GT Sport. But you ask me: then why didn't PD launch an important number of new racing cars for GT7?
I would say that, firstly, from a utilitarian point of view, it is not necessary. There are enough and varied cars to promote the championships. And secondly, from a marketing point of view, new cars (such as some LMh and new GT3 cars) are being stocked to serve as an attraction and one of the reasons to buy GT Sport 2 or GT8.
The GT franchise has always worked in two ways — street cars and race cars. But in the last decade, PD has dedicated more to racing car game design. The GT World Series championships, for example, are 80% held with racing cars.
I would prefer PD to launch GT8. But wishful thinking aside, I suspect PD is working on GT Sport 2 because of the scarcity of modern race cars in the GT7 updates. I suspect PD is saving these cars for a new game, just like it did with GT Sport when it released several debut and original race cars, Gr.3 and Gr.4 models especially.
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Finally someone said it. The same thing all over again.
GT8 is not gonna be anything more than GT7 with a bunch of more cars and 1 or 2 more tracks (and tons of nostalgia bait again to sell out lol) Forget about proper singleplayer mode, good AI and online features.
You guys asked for it by glorifying Kaz for every thing he does/says, treating him like a god instead of adressing the issues.
It's gonna be so fun watching people's reaction to GT8 if it'll turn out like that lol, players getting made fun of by PD since what, 2010?
But i guess the only important thing is cool graphics, right?
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My first prediction for gt8:
Players will complain it takes longer to earn credits than in gt7.
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Please stop making generalizations like this, it is annoying, to keep polite.
There's no logic bringing back a tarnished brand in GT Sport after all the hard work PD & Sony have put into reviving the Gran Turismo franchise with GT7. The official line may say different, but it seems obvious GT Sport came about as PD only had time to release a smaller title, so this was a convenient workaround.
GT Sport offers nothing that isn't in GT7 - in fact the online portions of the game are far more extensive - in addition to a single-player mode. For the next title PD will build on this with GT8, as they did with GT2, GT4, GT6. It's clear they have been holding back modern race cars, and arguably tracks. But as others have said these will be the major selling points for GT8 - alongside full implementation of GT Sophy - and likely other game modes/features that where not feasible on PS4.
I don't like to use the word comfortable as game development in very challenging. But unlike many other studios, who are adopting new technology and building game worlds and mechanics from scratch. PD have the technical foundations and much of their content ready to go for their next title. They can focus on game structure, technical refinements, and addressing shortcomings highlighted by the community.
It wouldn't surprise me if we get another 6-12 months of updates with GT8 announced for a '26 launch.
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I would be extremely surprised, honestly astonished, if they managed to develop and release a AAA game in 4 years considering current game dev timelines. Even more so considering they have been developing GT7 over the last 2 years, they didn't stop immediately after release and switch to a follow-up.
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Here's why I think we won't be getting GT8 for a while:
Kaz just made the announcement they started working on it. (It is not even known if it's GT8, it could be GT Sport 2)
It is very clear that PD wants to increase marketing for GT7, which is why they made MFGT.
Speaking of MFGT, Kaz said that he wants to expand it in the future.
Kaz just made the announcement they started working on it. (It is not even known if it's GT8, it could be GT Sport 2)
It is very clear that PD wants to increase marketing for GT7, which is why they made MFGT.
Speaking of MFGT, Kaz said that he wants to expand it in the future.
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As long as the GAAS/Live service crap doesn't turn in to the FIFA/Cod levels of stuff.
What will be will be. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
What will be will be. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
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The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days. A few examples:
- The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
- The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
- The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
- The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
- NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
- Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
- Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
- DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
- Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
- Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.
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A few weeks ago I decided to give Sport a little spin, mainly just to compare the physics models. It was when GT7’s physics update was new and I was struggling to get to grips with at first. Sport’s single player content is actually pretty good. It doesn’t have as much stuff as GT7’s event directory, but what is in there, to me, is a bit better quality (like the drivetrain challenges not having the ridiculous nationality restrictions) and has better variety.
Honestly they could so easily just transplant all the races that’re in GT Sport’s SP mode that are missing in GT7’s event directory overnight, and with hardly any effort (I’m sure) it’d improve GT7 vastly.
It’s almost craziness not to!
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Kaz said GT players weren’t ready for GT Sport.
It’s also a bit ironic when some say there weren’t enough road cars in GT Sport Yes there are. It’s that we couldn’t tune them as much as we could in the past games.
PD even gave us vehicles in all guises: road car, Gr.4(GT4) and Gr.3(GT3) and even off-road and Gr.3 road versions.
Mustang, WRX and NSX could be had in all flavors. The “GT-R” could even be had in an LM and so to speak VGT spec.
GT7 have brought back the lineage of cars. I figure the next game will do the same. Wouldn’t make sense to do a GT Sport 2 when there’s a Sport Mode in GT7. There doesn’t need to be a say, smaller game to just feature Sport Mode racing. PD do their PDLogic, but My First GT seems like that “app” will do the honors of some type of spillage.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see as always.
It’s also a bit ironic when some say there weren’t enough road cars in GT Sport Yes there are. It’s that we couldn’t tune them as much as we could in the past games.
PD even gave us vehicles in all guises: road car, Gr.4(GT4) and Gr.3(GT3) and even off-road and Gr.3 road versions.
Mustang, WRX and NSX could be had in all flavors. The “GT-R” could even be had in an LM and so to speak VGT spec.
GT7 have brought back the lineage of cars. I figure the next game will do the same. Wouldn’t make sense to do a GT Sport 2 when there’s a Sport Mode in GT7. There doesn’t need to be a say, smaller game to just feature Sport Mode racing. PD do their PDLogic, but My First GT seems like that “app” will do the honors of some type of spillage.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see as always.
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Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.
It's hard to know. Especially because PD has sponsored Super GT for many years, sponsors Pikes Peak, sponsors some GT3 teams, and has not transferred the most important assets from these leagues to the game. In the end, I only saw something important with Super Formula, but it still didn't bring the other racetracks of the season, such as Sugo and Okayama.
It would be very helpful if PD closed agreements with Super GT, IndyCar, DTM or IMSA to bring classic and modern cars, as well as circuits; if indeed these leagues have legal rights to the image of these cars.
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They literally lost their commercial esports licences to ACC
They have the money, the appetite is waining it appears.
Have they backed the right horse in fanatec who knows.
My gut feeling is that the game will either do the game stuff or double down on esports. But if I was Sony I'd bring/buy ACC in house and give them some internal competition
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The Stars of Gran Turismo's World Tournament See No Future in the Game (Update)
Lavish production and FIA backing convinced players that GT was a springboard to a motorsports or esports career. Years later, that dream has vanished.
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This was before they started charging for tickets, to be fair.The Stars of Gran Turismo's World Tournament See No Future in the Game (Update)
Lavish production and FIA backing convinced players that GT was a springboard to a motorsports or esports career. Years later, that dream has vanished.
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Now, they probably still lose money, I'm not denying that. Just that it's probably a bit less money now than it was in 2022.
In the majority of cases manufactures control the rights where their race cars appear. A series licence may get you a few extra bells & whistles but PD have shown little interest in those since GT5. We have Super Formula but that's effectively two cars.
F1 and current WRC aside, pretty much all modern race cars are available in multiple titles. Some models, ie NASCAR, may only be in two titles, but that suggests they aren't exclusive. ACC has an SRO license so they get cars in series' liveries. Every other title with GT3 cars (too many to count!) have officially licensed cars. It makes sense to add those cars in their launch or factory livery otherwise you'd have to license every individual sponsor.
PD's focus is on their own class structure for racing.
In GT8 that may expand beyond the current Gr.1-Gr.4 set-up to take account of newer race cars and older models that look out of place.
As stated previously the logical explanation is PD are fulfilling DLC support by filling out road car model line-ups. Would not surprise me if cars like the Ferrari 499P & Porsche 963 are already complete, alongside current Super GT GT500 models. Then it's a marketing decision whether to release them in GT7 or wait for GT8.
Post launch support is factored in before a title launches. Much of the DLC we are getting now, or at least in the first 12-18 months, was likely underway before GT7 released. Nothing since release suggests the majority of PD's staff have been working on GT7 - you could argue GT7's lifespan has been expanded - due to the difficulties Sony's experienced with other studios. The release of My First GT may play into that.
GT8 won't be rebuilt from the ground-up as most content will be ported across with modest technical improvements. The hard work was done building GT Sport, expanded with GT7, and refined with GT8.
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That was five years ago (and hearsay). GT7 is already the next instalment, so if they found it worthwhile to continue in GT7 it’s not unlikely that they’ll continue in GT8 as well.The Stars of Gran Turismo's World Tournament See No Future in the Game (Update)
Lavish production and FIA backing convinced players that GT was a springboard to a motorsports or esports career. Years later, that dream has vanished.
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Considering that I just deleted the game from my Xbox, I would not like to see the game on PlayStation.
How about no returning players at all?
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Something tells me that after Concord's failure (it, along with some other Sony Group-wide failures, reportedly resulted in Sony Group choosing to become a majority shareholder in Kadokawa instead of buying them outright), things may change.
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I think we have the answer to the "will PD feel the need to respond to Assetto Corsa" debate from the other day, by the way. From a Traxion article:
Regardless of the quality level and feature set of ACE by that time, and whether or not they should respond to it, I think we all know PD will look at a game that has less content than v1.00 GT Sport and that isn't on PlayStation and go "yeah, no need for us to counter that, we're fine".
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After long pause from Playstation i finally snapped and bought myself PS5 Slim with GT7. Must say it feels good to be back. I had loaned PS4 year ago with GT Sport but 7 feels very different yet familliar at same time.
Skill issue is of course present since i played mostly the Horizon series or Crew2/Motorfest on my Xbox last few years and at almost 34 i hate to admit i got used to some bad racing habbits so it feels like learning everything back from zero 😅
But i managed to finish Cafe story and curently atempting the Super License for Gold since all before i have already done. I also had oportunity to try My First GT before starting my GT7 save so getting all bonus cars and money felt nice.
Of course it’s not perfect i mostly hate the used car dealership rotation and the roulette tickets for buyable parts are laughable. I also hate the rolling starts and fact that most events are “chase the leader” type of races with slower cars beign literal rolling blocks on track 😟
Skill issue is of course present since i played mostly the Horizon series or Crew2/Motorfest on my Xbox last few years and at almost 34 i hate to admit i got used to some bad racing habbits so it feels like learning everything back from zero 😅
But i managed to finish Cafe story and curently atempting the Super License for Gold since all before i have already done. I also had oportunity to try My First GT before starting my GT7 save so getting all bonus cars and money felt nice.
Of course it’s not perfect i mostly hate the used car dealership rotation and the roulette tickets for buyable parts are laughable. I also hate the rolling starts and fact that most events are “chase the leader” type of races with slower cars beign literal rolling blocks on track 😟
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Some notes from recent sessions:
-I have a Ferrari 500 Mondial Pininfarina Coupe, wherein I’ve only bought it Sport Soft tires, but lately, it’s been almost un-drivable. It wobbles way too much, y’know?
-It seems that normally, an Abarth 595 SS with the K20 swapped into it has an unknown PP. But when you get a ballast and crank it all the way to the highest weight, it becomes a valid number, somewhere between 450 and 480. You can even add on things like a medium RPM turbo or an anti-lag controller, and it’ll still be an actual value. As it stands, my particular Abarth 595 SS has a little over 400 HP, so I admit I’m quite curious as to how it drives.
-Finally, I poked my head into the ways one can customize a lobby, and it got me thinking about what sort of neat regulations one could have. For example, no limits on engine swaps nor ultimate parts, but there could still be a PP limit of say, 600 or even 700. Also, I could limit the tires to Sport Softs. Could be a fun way to show off custom road cars, but I’m unsure how to prohibit the actual race cars from say, Gr.4. Or I could just allow them, not unlike the Clubman Cup Plus events.
EDIT: I had a potentially even better idea for a lobby setting. BoP is off, limited to Gr.4 cars and Racing tires, and there's a PP cap of 700. Otherwise, everything else is allowed. Could especially be fun since multiple Gr.4 cars can get engine swaps.
-I have a Ferrari 500 Mondial Pininfarina Coupe, wherein I’ve only bought it Sport Soft tires, but lately, it’s been almost un-drivable. It wobbles way too much, y’know?
-It seems that normally, an Abarth 595 SS with the K20 swapped into it has an unknown PP. But when you get a ballast and crank it all the way to the highest weight, it becomes a valid number, somewhere between 450 and 480. You can even add on things like a medium RPM turbo or an anti-lag controller, and it’ll still be an actual value. As it stands, my particular Abarth 595 SS has a little over 400 HP, so I admit I’m quite curious as to how it drives.
-Finally, I poked my head into the ways one can customize a lobby, and it got me thinking about what sort of neat regulations one could have. For example, no limits on engine swaps nor ultimate parts, but there could still be a PP limit of say, 600 or even 700. Also, I could limit the tires to Sport Softs. Could be a fun way to show off custom road cars, but I’m unsure how to prohibit the actual race cars from say, Gr.4. Or I could just allow them, not unlike the Clubman Cup Plus events.
EDIT: I had a potentially even better idea for a lobby setting. BoP is off, limited to Gr.4 cars and Racing tires, and there's a PP cap of 700. Otherwise, everything else is allowed. Could especially be fun since multiple Gr.4 cars can get engine swaps.
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It could face some competetion through maybe in 2026 when ac evo is released on ps5 as well, yes it will have less cars and tracks,
But it also has open world witch gt7 dosent, and also seem to get more features overall than gt7, and if they take use of the cars better than gt7 for its single player, means it could be more enjoyable to play as well,
Kunos supriced me when they said they wanted to focus on single player first, everyone else just seems to focus on multiplayer,
And i think it fair to say ac evo will have a much better ai than gt7,
Witch is important to have an enjoyable single player experince,
If ac evo turns out as good as the hype suggest, pd will have to put in good effort with gt8 witch is good thing for everybody, its a win for all us gamers.
for me it sure looks like that ac evo will be a better racing game than gt7, and i say that as huge gt fan and have been part of them since the series started.
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