For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.
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Wonder if we'd see something new from the "Maestro" with his Ferrari deal.
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Uh, in the link you provided it literally lists microtransactions (necessary or not) as an example of a live-service game. I'd say that's a fairly well established metric.For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.
Games as a service - Wikipedia
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From YOUR LINK, under "examples - microtransactions": "a game that aims to provide ongoing service will gear its design and financial approach to assure that a small fraction of players will purchase this content immediately rather than grinding through the game for a long time to obtain it."
Maybe you've had to say it a million times because people keep telling you you're wrong?
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It’s so weird to me that Sony would go to studios like Bluepoint and Bend to fulfill their misguided service game dreams instead of looking at what they have and how they can monetise it better. Not to give anyone ideas, but if there’s one franchise that Sony owns that lends itself perfectly to the service game formula it’s Gran Turismo.
I’m happy they don’t exploit it or me or us (yet), but I would not be too surprised if GT8 showed up and had things like car passes, car packs and exclusive nonsense that con only be obtained with real money.
Anyway. Let Bend do Days Gone 2 and Bluepoint the Bloodbourne remake is what I’m trying to say.
I’m happy they don’t exploit it or me or us (yet), but I would not be too surprised if GT8 showed up and had things like car passes, car packs and exclusive nonsense that con only be obtained with real money.
Anyway. Let Bend do Days Gone 2 and Bluepoint the Bloodbourne remake is what I’m trying to say.
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Under "forms of live service games" it lists micro-transaction as one of the examples of a live service game. I mean, you posted the proof yourself.
And your analogy doesn't work, because the definition of a live service game isn't unambiguous. A yellow banana is a yellow banana, and that has nothing to do with anything else yellow or the fact that it's still a banana. Haha.
Here's some quotes from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a published and peer-reviewed paper cited in the very article you posted:
"those with a long-term iteration strategy of periodic content increments qualify as service games."
"...towards a player-centric model based on updates, recurring revenues and player retention."
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9420891/
Whether or not we have to pay for the DLC doesn't matter, regular DLC itself makes a game live service.
Thanks for the break from boring medical research... now, back to it.
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It is. Sony considers it as one, by definition it is.For the millionth time, GT7 is not a "live-service game" by any established metric.
Games as a service - Wikipedia
Trusting wiki is not good.
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The mention of Live Service reminded me of this from a couple years ago. There's a chance the term was misused or potentially lost in translation, but this is Kaz referring to GT7 as a Live Service himself:
An Update to Our Players - Information - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com
Dear Gran Turismo Community,Thank you for your continued support and feedback on Gran Turismo 7, your voices have not gone unheard. I would like to apologise for the frustration and confusion caused last week with our updates which resulted in not only a server outage but also adjustments to the...
The "Weekly Challenges" do kinda function like a miniature Battle Pass of sorts though, so there's that. Could even be argued that the rotating Seasonal Events from GT5 & GT6 also made them Live Services to an extent.
Tangent point.
Because someone will probably bring it up, those 24 Hour endurance races that are mentioned in the screenshot are probably being waited on until the reintroduction of B-Spec, so the A.I. can take some of the driving stints, and the ability to save progress mid-race like you could back on GT5 (wasn't a launch feature).
The B-Spec point in turn is waiting on Sophy A.I. development, which is likely what changed the 24H races from being "near-term updates," as this announcement predates any plans for the A.I. to my knowledge.
The point that's perhaps overlooked in that statement is that those 24H races will be Missions, meaning if they are like other Mission events they will be one-time prize payouts. However this statement was a couple years ago, so plans may have changed since then. We do have that Spa 1H race in the regular career mode after all, which is replayable for credits.
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Today is Tuesday indeed 😊
But on a serious note, there's the old expression of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. By the letter of the law, PD are indeed correct when they say "Coming January"
However, take it one step further and post the SPECIFIC release date. Rather than leaving it open for interpretation. Could it be 2nd, 9th, 16th, etc?
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I can see the thinking of "It's a January update that you only spend 3 or 4 days in January being able to play" perhaps not making sense, as you spend more of your time with the January content in February.
Leading to it at least feeling more like a February update.
Also the October content update (2 updates ago) was released on the first week of the month. Personally I prefer it that way, but it's not too big of a deal unless it's used to make the gaps between content updates artificially look smaller than they really are.
The gap between the October & November updates wasn't 30 days. It was 49. But just hearing "October & November updates" makes it seem like less of a gap.
Leading to it at least feeling more like a February update.
Also the October content update (2 updates ago) was released on the first week of the month. Personally I prefer it that way, but it's not too big of a deal unless it's used to make the gaps between content updates artificially look smaller than they really are.
The gap between the October & November updates wasn't 30 days. It was 49. But just hearing "October & November updates" makes it seem like less of a gap.
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As highlighted in SONY's latest presentation, Polyphony is described as an evolving studio rather than one focused on live-service models
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It being in the "Evolving / Multi-Genre" category to me means it's a bit of both. Partially Single Player, partially Live Service. Neither are the sole "focus" of the game, but it still has elements of both.
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I don’t really see the Ioniq 5 N as being very interesting on its own. It feels like one of those necessary evil additions being done to nurture a partnership, and I don’t think it’s significant enough to rule out another car that is a bit more conventionally desirable. The again, last year’s January update was an absolute turd.
It’s not closer, but January will be over by the time most people actually get to dive into the update for real. It’s interesting how they usually don’t release these updates at the beginning of months, because then they could just name it the February update and make it feel like it actually was.
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Soooo... it's not "closer to the truth" to say February for something that actually happens in January then?
"My February mortgage payment? I paid it in January. Right at the end of January, so it's closer to the truth to say February..."
"You've done what to my credit score?"
Why does that matter? Who else releases a monthly-ish update and calls it the Day/Month update?
Since you enjoy truth and accuracy, you should be well aware of the fact that it's the publisher (or, more probably, the publisher's PR team as okayed by the publisher) that does stuff like naming the updates after the month in which they arrive, and not the developer. That's SIE, not PD.
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Bend also in that category and they were working on a live service game. Bluepoint listed as a partner because at the time they were supporting the GoW developers, and then were working on a live service game.
That graphic is rather out-of-date.
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