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G29 here and feels great. Try 4 torque, 5 sensitivity, and controller sensitivity at -2. Let me know what you think after.
Gran Turismo 7 Physics
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- R0T4RY99
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Uhh you do know the GT7 aliens can probably lap my tsukuba lap time by about 3-4 seconds right? Do you think those aliens can beat BM crew or match their GT7 time IRL? I'm just happy the RWD cars are getting closer to their IRL dynamics and time around tsukuba, snap oversteer on throttle was my major concern and they fixed in the new update so they're heading in the right direction.
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It was mostly fine before, with some problems right on the edge of adhesion (either losing or gaining grip). The more extreme the situation the more apparent you could make it.
In testing this I could get a Porsche engined Samba bus to wholly disregard its own inertia and weight shifting to incorrectly apply grip loading delta across all four tyres.
I also managed to get incorrect lat/long regrip changes.
It looked hilarious, like a car stuntman on wire-work! But was difficult to describe, as it is a combination of multiple things.
I'm looking forward to more tracks and cars, but they're coming anyway.
Fixing the problems is very important, and updating the translation layer (how you 'feel' the car despite not being in one) is the priority. The translation layer is THE thing GT has always excelled at, you know what the car is doing and is going to do, you can feel it without having it explained.
Great update, heading in the right direction and enjoying their journey.
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Great response there and yup how you connect to the cars comes first. In the coming months, I’m sure more and more I’ll come on the content side. I’m sure while there are a loud vocal minority here majority of people are probably just finishing some of the content. Meanwhile I just checked in 94 hours in and im just nearing the end of the menus due to me either trying to get gold on licenses, re doing races in menus to get first, playing online etc.
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Odd? That car was enormously improved from GTSport to GT7 and now it has become completely tamed and boring to drive!
Good for an arcade game that one plays with a joystick but not for a simulation.
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Physics are incredible now 😍
Driving this C63 pre patch was near impossible. Now look at how much control I have over it. As someone who has driven a c63 on the track it feels exactly like the real life counterpart.
Some quick notes
- Cars now turn in as they should
- You can find that fine line between grip and over the limit. Allowing the cars grip limit to be so much higher!
- Braking is simulated far more realistically.
This update is amazing and the physics are almost flawless.
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I don’t feel a difference in grip.
I’ve never driven the GT86 on comfort soft in GT7, so I wouldn’t be able to tell a difference. The tire choice shouldn’t matter though, as the patch notes make no mention of improved tires.
Since the update I’ve driven the Nissan Fairlady Z ‘08 (just to name one) but to me it feels no different than before. Very wobbly weight transfer and demands overly careful inputs, as always.
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The GT Academy guys didn't seem to think so if I remember the show correctly.
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- FredzyN2
Or GR86. I just wasted my lunch hour and 15 minutes that I was supposed to be in a meeting to try this out - wasn't expecting this in the update. I can finally enjoy driving the GR86 in GT7. CS tires around Tsukuba, could probably have gone all day. This is GT7 2.0 now.
Better still, I was able to compare it back to back with the 2nd gen BRZ! (All aids off.) I have to give PD kudos.. I was not expecting this result. In auto journo reviews you always hear about the BRZ being more stable/predictable, the GR86 more tail-happy and playful, but usually people are a little faster in the GR86. This was my exact result. BRZ was a little easier to drive, 86 was comparatively loose and took an extra lap or two but could best the BRZ's time. (Honestly I'm not too concerned with how those times line up with reality.) I had a straight up blast sliding them around. I'm excited for GT7 now.
Before this update I'd describe driving the 86 with aids off as painful.
The only other test I did was 02 Viper on Blue Moon oval, SH tires. It used to basically hydroplane on the big sweeper - and odd thing to happen in the dry. Seems totally OK now. @m76
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No you haven't gotten any better....driving has gotten ridiculously easy.
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This is something I worry about too, and I haven't yet got to the game to test 1.13 out yet, but getting used to how GT7 was I found to be a lot of fun, no matter what me or anyone thought of how "realistic" it was. I know that no matter what, unusual things can be compensated for, learned, exploited, whatever, but some of the cars had such a beautiful delicate balance near and above the limit that it made learning them so rewarding. I've never had a tenth this much fun driving a F430, an E30 and E46 M3, FD RX7, BRZ, in any game, but they felt like such magic things in 7. The snap was real, but it was always there demanding you kept on top of things at all times. I know from previous videos you've posted that you definitely put in the work to become a master of all cars in all settings in 7, and I approach things much in the same way, so I hope the danger is still there to keep us on our toes.
I surely do look forward to more control in slip angle, and it sounds like that might be possible according to many other posts here today, but I just don't want it to be at the expense of difficulty in that it makes the stakes lower.
Or... I could just be spoiled and everything will continue to be just fine. Who knows? lol.
I'll report back later after I get some miles in, but I'm very excited about it after all these comments!
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The hypersensitivity of GT7 physics might have made me numb to the smallest of physics improvements, because the game has forced me into the habit of being gentle and alert to the point where I can no longer remember how it feels when you aren’t. Just not feeling the change here, and the patch note is too cryptic for me to decipher. I don’t know exactly what to look for, and then you might as well get trapped by the placebo effect.
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- fairlane305
They improved how snap oversteer handles, its not gonna fix cars with ****** handlingTryed a Firebird at Daytona and it was acting just as crazy as before, like if it had no weight on the rear axle. Took the Superbird for a spin (oh my jokes) at Laguna and it was just as crazy as before the patch, snapped around on flat open road at 3rd gear
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You've driven a superbird flat out at laguna seca irl? Wow, that must've been quite an experience. I'd love to hear about it!
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Not done much yet, but the R8 GT3 Evo felt a lot better than before. It probably has slightly too much grip now, but I think that's more down to the tyre compounds in this game versus the older ones as RH feels like RS did in GT Sport on the GT3 cars. The car does feel a lot more predictable and stable with a wider setup window from my first impressions anyway.
The slip angle and grip falloff of the road tyres still is a bit weird at times, I find it slightly odd that I can easily drift a 400ish HP Celica on 40:60 torque split on SS tyres.
FWD feels pretty similar but still suffers from the issue that all the cars do with the differential not really affecting things properly, I shouldn't really be able to run basically an open diff off throttle and just get tons of understeer still. The lift off oversteer seems entirely tied to the static weight distribution of the car, you can easily test it just by moving some ballast around.
Will have to try some more stuff to get a good idea, but it certainly seems like a step in the right direction for me at least.
The slip angle and grip falloff of the road tyres still is a bit weird at times, I find it slightly odd that I can easily drift a 400ish HP Celica on 40:60 torque split on SS tyres.
FWD feels pretty similar but still suffers from the issue that all the cars do with the differential not really affecting things properly, I shouldn't really be able to run basically an open diff off throttle and just get tons of understeer still. The lift off oversteer seems entirely tied to the static weight distribution of the car, you can easily test it just by moving some ballast around.
Will have to try some more stuff to get a good idea, but it certainly seems like a step in the right direction for me at least.
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- Szejok666
Comfort Softs are much more grippy than before - about 1 second faster lap time at Tsukuba than pre-update (stock Supra RZ 1:07,3 vs 1:08,3). On Nordschleife I am about 10 seconds faster with same CS tires ('92 NSX Type R 8:13 vs 8:03 - on first lap today). They have more grip, but aren't as snappy as Sports Hard before update (I haven't tested Sport or Racing tires yet).
Comfort Hard and Medium on the other hand feels like haven't been touched (at least I can't feel the difference, didn't have time yet to test long enough).
As a result Performance difference between CS and CM is much wider than before, which creates a problem - Some cars are too fast compared to RL on CS and too slow on CM. Like mentioned before Supra RZ - Laguna Seca lap by Motoharu Kurosawa 1:45,87. On CS 1:42 is attainable easily (too fast), but I'm struggling to lap faster than 1:48 on CM.
I know that for most people this probably isn't an issue, but for me it is. GT5 and GT6 didn't have this problem and recreating realistic lap times was spot-on with correct tires.
Seems like one step forward, one step back.
Also, visible front wheels angle corresponding to controller input was not corrected (not fast enough), so watching replays is still pointless (looks funny when drifting or countersteering for instance - wheels point to the left, car turns right, or left-right lock to lock at walking speed - see for yourself).
After all it's only 2 months since game release, but I must say this GT has many problems.
Comfort Hard and Medium on the other hand feels like haven't been touched (at least I can't feel the difference, didn't have time yet to test long enough).
As a result Performance difference between CS and CM is much wider than before, which creates a problem - Some cars are too fast compared to RL on CS and too slow on CM. Like mentioned before Supra RZ - Laguna Seca lap by Motoharu Kurosawa 1:45,87. On CS 1:42 is attainable easily (too fast), but I'm struggling to lap faster than 1:48 on CM.
I know that for most people this probably isn't an issue, but for me it is. GT5 and GT6 didn't have this problem and recreating realistic lap times was spot-on with correct tires.
Seems like one step forward, one step back.
Also, visible front wheels angle corresponding to controller input was not corrected (not fast enough), so watching replays is still pointless (looks funny when drifting or countersteering for instance - wheels point to the left, car turns right, or left-right lock to lock at walking speed - see for yourself).
After all it's only 2 months since game release, but I must say this GT has many problems.
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The Superbird is just a styled up Roadrunner. I know how this car handles both in close-to-stock & hotted up. Too bad the 1970 Roadrunner isn`t in the game btw, it`s a lot cooler than the Superbird
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