Gran Turismo 7 Physics

Do you want more detailed and realistic physics on the next GT


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Decided to jump back into GT7 after not really playing it too much since release and completing the initial menu books.

Oh boy, is it just me or are the physics really broken now? Could just be me but I could have sworn there wasn’t this much understeer when I first played the game earlier this year? Tried using a G29 yesterday but was just using the dualsense this evening.

Jumped back into the game to try menu 41 and was using the Jaguar Vision Coupe and it’s horrendous! The car won’t turn at all. Tried a few other cars I used to enjoy yesterday but also noticed there seemed more understeer than I remembered.

EDIT: Gave things another try, this time trying the LM55 and it handled fine.

Seems it was mainly just the Jaguar Vision that was undrivable and the crux of my frustration when I posted above about the understeer.
 
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Yep they changed the suspension geometry to fix the MR cars. Now everything understeers especially on power, even the MR cars which were bad before are now extra horrible on exits.

It's made worse by the dead ffb. There's no feel for lateral grip at all so you can only see it starts to understeer visually, but it's too late and that's your corner already messed up.

I was in a league race on GTS the other night and it is world's apart in terms of useful ffb information. This is my 2nd main reason for not using GT7 for anything serious or competitive.
 
PD have also changed the dampers on at least, the GR 4 cars. It was a standard f/r 35/45. Now it's 25/45. Theyve also adjusted differentials from 10/40/30 to 12/40/25.
Aero have been adjusted on individual cars too. It used to be standard f/r 180/260. I only found out it changed when I was building a Gr.4 RX-8.
All GR.4 appear to have their own aero settings now. Some cars have changes to front and rear downforce. Some just the rear downforce.

This may explain one part of the understeer programming.
 
Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
 
Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
Well for starters… what is the tune you currently have? Stock? Heavily modified?
What track and conditions? A little bit more information for context would be useful instead of another complaint with Zero information behind it :rolleyes:

Well since we know nothing of what you’re trying to do or how you drive,
Look here:




Seems to be fine for me, literally the opposite of what you say and I’ve barely spent time on the tune where it could be further improved on to combat the small oversteer, nothing that’s going to topple the car,

So again as stated in another thread is the problem really the game? Or is it you not knowing what you’re doing and instead of taking accountability it’s easier to blame the game and provide 0 context or evidence behind it.
 
Well for starters… what is the tune you currently have? Stock? Heavily modified?
What track and conditions? A little bit more information for context would be useful instead of another complaint with Zero information behind it :rolleyes:

Well since we know nothing of what you’re trying to do or how you drive,
Look here:




Seems to be fine for me, literally the opposite of what you say and I’ve barely spent time on the tune where it could be further improved on to combat the small oversteer, nothing that’s going to topple the car,

So again as stated in another thread is the problem really the game? Or is it you not knowing what you’re doing and instead of taking accountability it’s easier to blame the game and provide 0 context or evidence behind it.


Hey Alex. Only tried testing the car today. Haven't spent a lot of time on it. All my settings are my own. Nobody else's. My settings are tested in varying conditions, wet, cold, slippery, dry. I don't use any aids. Ever. The car has full hop up parts 93BHP.

Car is most stable with stock normal suspension. Any suspension other than stock and the tweaks made to the car doesn't make it any better. In fact it's worse to me in my experience using a controller.

It's unstable and like to roll or lean with cornering. There is oversteer, and it's not a small amount. Yes you have to be very light on throttle control. The car is very rocky and leans a lot. Too much. In fact. I have tried Roll bars the opposite of stiff.

No joy. Tried softening suspension. No joy. Dampers even softer rather than harder. I think it's the LSD problem has been made worse when they fixed it for MR cars. It's an RR car though.

It helped when I switched to the stock LSD.
 
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Don't know which planet your on Alex. It's a fully tuned Abarth 495 '70 with all the hop up parts. Anything other than stock suspension with it,
Ok so you didn't even look at my tune with race suspension then but anyway my case still stands that you're here literally saying:
Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
where I'm saying that's not the case which is evident with the tune and Video I've shown,
it is definitely not a small amount lift off oversteer.
I'm saying I have a small amount of oversteer, that can be worked out with more time spent refining the tune
The car swings and rocks quite a bit when you do steer.
ok so why not show us what your tune is and maybe a video of this behaviour, otherwise I think you don't know what you're doing since I don't have that problem which I demonstrate in my video.
I know how how to tune my cars.
Doesn't seem so by your post, especially if you say this:
No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.

In fact I don't think I have ever asked for one single bit of help when it comes to tuning a car.
I know you didn't ask for help but you stated that the car is appalling to drive and I'm saying you're wrong, with a tune and video of my driving to prove that point.
You have your opinion, that's fine. I have my opinion and complaint. I come to voice my complaint once in a blue moon, and here you are jumping out to attack me. Please calmly .. off. I want asking a question. I wasn't asking for advice or help. I can work it out on my own as I have done.
To be honest I don't care, you said something I don't agree with and provided evidence to my claim to disprove yours, it's the internet you can voice your opinion and I can voice mine, but you're wrong on what you said.

So what are you looking for with your post then? people to join in and say how appalling the game is? another circle jerk attention post then...
 
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Ok so you didn't even look at my tune with race suspension then but anyway my case still stands that you're here literally saying:

where I'm saying that's not the case which is evident with the tune and Video I've shown,

I'm saying I have a small amount of oversteer, that can be worked out with more time spent refining the tune

ok so why not show us what your tune is and maybe a video of this so it, otherwise I think you don't know what you're doing since I don't have that problem which I demonstrate in my video.

Doesn't seem so by your post, especially if you say this:



I know you didn't ask for help but you stated that the car is appalling to drive and I'm saying you're wrong, with a tune and video of my driving to prove that point.

To be honest I don't care, you said something I don't agree with and provided evidence to my claim to disprove yours, it's the internet you can voice your opinion and I can voice mine, but you're wrong on what you said.

So what are you looking for with your post then? people to join in and say how appalling the game is? another circle jerk attention post then...
Your video is not evidence. Anyone can show a video of them driving a car whether it looks good or bad the way you drive it is subjective. We don't share or feel other people's experience whether with a wheel, or a controller. Don't put words into my mouth.

I'm sorry. Why would I watch your video. There could be 100 people agree with you and 400 that don't. Who cares about your video or your tune. Shut up and let me have my little rant or complaint since I don't do it very often.
 
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Your video is not evidence.
My video is evidence of not having:
No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
Anyone can show a video of them driving a car whether it looks good or bad the way you drive it is subjective. We don't share or feel other people's experience whether with a wheel, or a controller. Don't put words into my mouth.
It’s not subjective the car isn’t toppling over and I’m driving the car hard,

Again I don’t care what you feel or experience, you made a claim I don’t agree with and I showed evidence to show you’re wrong.
 
Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
It's a fully tuned Abarth 495 '70 with all the hop up parts
Well There It Is Jurassic Park GIF



I would think if you did that to a '70s Abarth in real life it would try to kill you too! Maybe just remove some of the tuning parts and don't overpower it? I've found that dialing things back a bit works for some of my cars and they become far more user friendly.
 
Don't put words into my mouth.

I'm sorry. Why would I watch your video. There could be 100 people agree with you and 400 that don't. Who cares about your video or your tune. Shut up and let me have my little rant or complaint since I don't do it very often.
Right we’ll now every post of yours on this matter has been rewritten/edited now… :rolleyes:

Never put words in your mouth, literally look at what I quoted and you’ll see it’s what you said,

So again your post just proves all you’re looking for is a complaining circle jerk and not interested in a discussion if you won’t see the tune and cars behaviour literally proving you wrong.

Don’t tell me what to say or don’t say on here.

Ps I also didn’t spend much time on the tune, literally can see I don’t use aids either in the video, try again
 
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Right we’ll now every post of yours on this matter has been rewritten/edited now… :rolleyes:

Never put words in your mouth, literally look at what I quoted and you’ll see it’s what you said,

So again your post just proves all you’re looking for is a complaining circle jerk and not interested in a discussion if you won’t see the tune and cars behaviour literally proving you wrong.

Don’t tell me what to say or don’t say on here.

All people can see is you driving a car on a game. They don't feel what you feel. Again what you see is far different than what someone else feels or experiences. It's all subjective.

It doesn't prove anything. Your claim your driving it hard and it not toppling over. Your version of driving it hard style could be different to someone else.

Everybody has driving styles different. All the other settings behind the car tune vastly change that.

The way everyone drives is different. Don't try to use your own data for your own experience and claim it works for everyone else.

Neither do they see what your doing to control the car neither do they know what wheel or controller settings you use ? Do you use aids ? Is the game on hard or easy ?

Don't use stupid provoking words in your statement that are uncalled for. What were you expecting a kind reply ? Calling me a circle jerk then will get a harsh response.
 
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All people can see is you driving a car on a game. They don't feel what you feel. Again what you see it far different than what someone else feels or experiences. It's all subjective.

Neither do they see what your doing to control the car neither do they know what wheel or controller settings you use ? Do you use aids ? Is the game on hard or easy ?

Don't use stupid provoking words in your statement that are uncalled for. What were you expecting a kind reply ? Calling me a circle jerk then will get a harsh response.
You literally can see my inputs in the video and that no aids are being activated which is an indication of… no aids on, surprising that!

Not sure how a difficulty setting changes a setup or physics of the game in time trial mode… again watch the video then

Well you’re literally looking for other people to agree with you to make you feel better on a claim that is incorrect, which is why it’s being described as such.
 
Lol I can't believe he went and edited his posts to make himself look nicer after they had already been quote replied.

You certainly have to put more effort into making some cars driveable than you do others, but I don't think there's anything entirely undriveable unless you've just pushed something way past its limits - @AlexWilmot did a good job showing that with their video.
 
Lol I can't believe he went and edited his posts to make himself look nicer after they had already been quote replied.

You certainly have to put more effort into making some cars driveable than you do others, but I don't think there's anything entirely undriveable unless you've just pushed something way past its limits - @AlexWilmot did a good job showing that with their video.
You two really don't get it. What did he show. He showed his ability to drive his tune or setup that he made himself.

You can't put that on someone else and claim it will work for them can you ? your tune or your driving style the way others might. Your data, your evidence for you may not be useful or suitable for other drivers.

My cars are all drivable thankyou. All my own tunes. I don't need to see someone claim what works for them will work for others. Lol. You really make me laugh.

I'm not saying other peoples settings or tunes don't not work. This is another subjective area. I'm done with debating. I had to re edit because phone typos and I have extra to say.
 
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You two really don't get it. What did he show. He showed his ability to drive his tune or setup. You can't put that on someone else and claim it will work for them one experiences your tune or your driving style the way others might. Your data, your evidence for you may not be useful or suitable for other drivers.

My cars are all drivable thankyou. All my own tunes. I don't need to see someone claim what works for them will work for others. Lol. You really make me laugh.
what you say here and what you say below are not the same thing
Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
my tune and driving is showing your claim is wrong, I don't care how subjective you think it is, it really isnt.
if it really is soo subjective you could share your tune and driving with a video so this could really be a discussion on subjectivity but right now yeah that's not happening.

But now the goal posts have moved from the car is un-tunable and appalling to drive to now its about how subjective it feels in a certain persons hands and their driving style...
 
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what you say here and what you say below are not the same thing

my tune and driving is showing your claim is wrong, I don't care how subjective you think it is, it really isnt.
if it really is soo subjective you could share your tune and driving with a video so this could really be a discussion on subjectivity but right now yeah that's not happening.

But now the goal posts have moved from the car is un-tunable and appalling to drive to now its about how subjective it feels in a certain persons hands and their driving style...
You car is not even close to mine. You clearly dismissed what I said. Your video showing a stock car.

Completely different parts. Different tyres, different track, different size or width of wheels. It's not widebody.

Your car does look stock. Yeah the car is fine stock. But did you forget my car is fully tuned also with front splitter and rear downforce changes everything.

You were clearly trying to show me that your stock car in your video drives as I described the settings and parts I used in mine.

How wrong are you. I agree. The car stock like this is fine to drive. It's not anywhere near the experience I had after I fully upgraded it.

Let's just agree to disagree with things said. I'm not disagreeing after seeing your video. But your video is a completely different car.
 
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You car is not even close to mine. You clearly dismissed what I said. Your video showing a stock car.

Completely different parts. Different tyres, different track, different size or width of wheels. It's not widebody.

Your car does look stock. Yeah the car is fine stock. But did you forget my car is fully tuned also with front splitter and rear downforce changes everything.
You haven’t shown what your car is/was, how would I know what tune you have…
I’m not running a stock car, if you look at the tune and video you can see it’s not stock, I didn’t know a high revving turbo, race suspension, racing gearbox racing exhaust, intercooler, blah blah was stock

Again you keep editing posts after people replied to you to have something completely different,
 
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You haven’t shown what your car is/was, how would I know what tune you have…
I’m not running a stock car, if you look at the tune and video you can see it’s not stock.
It's that car with every hop up part, widebody, biggest wheels, different tyre width, different tyres, aero parts etc. The car for me is completely different to the car in your video. The same car. I can drive it fine stock. My problem was just a little rant about car being far different when fully upgraded. I have said I agree with the car and your evidence works for you. The stock car is ok to drive. No problems there. However car is different with fully upgraded parts and way different settings and performance to match those parts.
 
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It's that car with every hop up part, widebody, biggest wheels, different tyre width, different tyres, aero parts etc. The car for me is completely different to the car in your video. The same car. I can drive it fine stock. My problem was just a little rant about car being far different when fully upgraded. I have said I agree with the car and your evidence works for you. The stock car is ok to drive. No problems there. However car is different with fully upgraded parts and way different settings and performance to match those parts.
One… the car isn’t stock and two you have not shown what your car is speced out to or what the tune is, so how am I to tune my car to the same spec as you?

Bottom line your claim is wrong, the car is tunable and a decent setup can be found, you just can’t accept you don’t know how
 
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One… the car isn’t stock and two you have not shown what your car is speced out to or what the tune is, so how am I to tune my car to the same spec as you?

Bottom line your claim is wrong
I don't need to claim anything to you. Your claim did not compare to what I have on my car. I have already said your setup is driveable. So you don't need to prove anything.

However my claim is with the car fully tuned to nearly 100BHP and nearly double your PP and lots of other parts I have no issues with the settings and setup you are using at your spec. Alex

Anyway I don't posts videos to YouTube so that a no go for me. I can't prove my claim. And that is ok with me.
 
I don't need to claim anything to you. Your claim did not compare to what I have on my car. I have already said your setup is driveable. So you don't need to prove anything.

However my claim is with the car fully tuned to nearly 100BHP and nearly double your PP and lots of other parts I have no issues with the settings and setup you are using at your spec. Alex

Anyway I don't posts videos to YouTube so that a no go for me. I can't prove my claim. And that is ok with me.
Please show a screenshot of your tune so I can have the right parts on the car, still don't know what tyres you're using after all this rambling from you,

Your original post suggests the car is un-tunable, the suspension is broken, the PP system is broken blah blah, which it isn't because you can create a decent tune for it, it isn't appalling to drive.

You then tried to move the goal posts over to a subjective feel, control and driving styles etc. mate I don't care, a good setup is possible,

if you can't prove your claim then yes this entire conversation from your side is false and as I've stated, looking for a circle jerk, a certain quote from Ozark comes to mind but I can't share it as its against the AUP
 
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I've done the Spa 24 single player race a few times now and I actually have to say that I think the way the intermediate tyres interact with a drying/mixed condition track seems actually quite realistic. There's a sliding element to them that's progressive and controllable, and they change the balance of the car a bit too.

I'm quite impressed...
 
Please show a screenshot of your tune so I can have the right parts on the car, still don't know what tyres you're using after all this rambling from you,

Your original post suggests the car is un-tunable, the suspension is broken, the PP system is broken blah blah, which it isn't because you can create a decent tune for it, it isn't appalling to drive.

You then tried to move the goal posts over to a subjective feel, control and driving styles etc. mate I don't care, a good setup is possible,

if you can't prove your claim then yes this entire conversation from your side is false and as I've stated, looking for a circle jerk, a certain quote from Ozark comes to mind but I can't share it as its against the AUP
Hi Alex. My original message was written in frustration at that time. I also did not say that it wasn't impossible to tune my spec well either did I with the superiors specs and parts to your car in your video ?

I never said the car could not be setup well with lesser specs either, but I didn't add that to my message. My claim has absolutely got nothing to do with your setup or your video. Because it's completely different and higher modified.

You should not be arguing with me when my message is regarding a higher spec more modded setup and is in no way arguing against a lower specced car that can be tuned well. Did I not say myself the car was fine with lesser spec. I said stock. That before I watched your video.

But when I said stock I meant that your car is more stock than mine is. I did not mean completely stock. I also have no reason to doubt the car can be setup well on lower spec parts also like yours aswell as stock.

Therefore I don't really need to prove anything except my findings. I aren't posting a video. I said I don't post videos to YouTube. Ok. Just leave it be. I aren't complaining. I don't really care at this point about proving anything. lol
 
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Can't even tune the Abarth 595 SS to a decent setup. This car is appalling to drive. It could be fun if PD fixed the suspension physics. Even the PP is broken for the Abarth. No matter what I try it wants to kill me slightest turn, or topple over sideways.
Cough cough



Seems to be a decent setup although some refinement can occur, suspension is tuned as I would in Real life, btw I have built and raced cars in the real world, didn't try to kill me and car didn't topple over,

Btw no aids or assists and on a controller too,

So what's the excuse now?
 
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I've reported you for continual accusations against my comment. Your just as bad trying to prove your point that you are arguing with me and are looking for gratification and looking to be proven right. Some people like you need to win every argument then take a comment like mine too seriously.

Seriously I have bigger things to worry about than some video game. Let it go man. I don't care that you tuned cars in real life. What excuse. People don't always mean what they say when they write something out of frustration. Be an adult and let it go. I don't have any excuse whatsoever.

I never said it was impossible to not tune up the car well. Now let it go or I will report you again.
 
It's a forum. Anything you put on here is meant to be replied to in some way...

Yes but he keeps trying to prove his point and won't let it go. Who is the bigger man here. Me. He was accusing me of ranting on by quoting everything I ever said and trying to shatter it with a completely different spec to mine.

My original message isn't serious enough and I never said it wasn't impossible or implausible to tune the car. I would have had some setting where my car was rolling more with more aggressive steering or turns.

But settings make a big difference. It seems on this thread no one is allowed to make a little rant or complaint even in jest without someone trying to prove you wrong and trying to take you down. He accuses me of ranting when he is dragging this on.

I am fed up of this guy.
 
Yes but he keeps trying to prove his point and won't let it go. Who is the bigger man here. Me. He was accusing me of ranting on by quoting everything I ever said and trying to shatter it with a completely different spec to mine.

My original message isn't serious enough and I never said it wasn't impossible or implausible to tune the car. I would have had some setting where my car was rolling more with more aggressive steering or turns.

But settings make a big difference. It seems on this thread no one is allowed to make a little rant or complaint even in jest without someone trying to prove you wrong and trying to take you down. He accuses me of ranting when he is dragging this on.

I am fed up of this guy.
are you really the bigger man here?
You said something stupid now you’ve got egg on your face

It’s people like you who are flooding the internet with complaining about the game, it’s the games fault, well no it’s you, you don’t know what you’re doing, the bigger man would accept this and try to learn
 
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